Where are the Six Steps?

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#1 Feb 22 - 8PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Where are the Six Steps?

I continue to get e-mails asking me where The Six Steps went and what happened to the website I built for my 6 Step Recovery Program at www.allaboutrecoverynetwork.com.

Betty and I went our separate ways. She stole the recovery site by having her cousin (the webmaster behind it all) move it to a domain name that she owns once it was completely built and I paid for it in full.

I posted the "Explanation" below a few days ago because I felt everyone deserved to know what happened. There should be no mystery here. In response to my post, Betty and her crew began slandering me on their site (you know, the one I paid to build). I sent a formal letter asking them to stop and removed my post below in good faith that they would remove their slanderous post.

They have not removed their post so I am reposting mine to ensure everyone knows exactly what happened. They will not comment on what happened because they have absolutely no defense. They are simply calling me a pathological liar. It is obvious to anyone who chooses to look that they stole my site. The proof is out there on the Internet for everyone to see. They cannot hide what they did to me.

The details of what happened are below and will remain here on my board forever until they remove the slander against me on the website I paid to build, which was stolen from me the moment it was paid-in-full.

Explanation

I am only answering this because it is being directly asked. I would rather spare everyone the details of what happened, but believe those of you asking deserve an explanation.

As you know, I made Betty the main moderator here back in August 2010. It was her idea to build a second recovery site and she brought her cousin, Chad, a webdesigner into my home to convince me to do this at a discounted price.

She and I were going to partner together on a life coaching business called "All About Recovery." I bought the domain name www.allaboutrecoverynetwork.com and spent $3,000 building the new site. I wrote all the content for the coaching program - i.e. The Six Steps.

I had a moderator meeting last weekend and the weekend before where I offered to fly any of the moderators into my home who chose to come. Ms. Vulcan and Brisies chose not to come and participated in the meetings via Skype.

Instead of asking me in a professional manner if we could go our separate ways, Betty created conflict between us after we had been drinking for several hours. It was extremely painful the drama she put us all through as she told me everyone hates me and she was taking all the moderators with her to the new site.

I learned she had been undermining me for months telling all the moderators lies about me....saying I'm "naive and easy to manipulate" as well. She took everyone, but Goldie (a true angel) with her and caused a scene in my condo building that people are still talking about a week later. I almost called the police.

I agreed we could go our separate ways, meaning she could take the purple site and I would keep the pink site if that's what she wanted. She wanted to be in charge and we ultimately had different ideas about what a recovery site should be. I told her we could part ways and that I wish she would have asked me in a professional, non-dramatic manner.

Instead of parting ways amicably and fairly, she stole the recovery coaching website from me. She had her cousin copy the entire site, move it to a domain name she owns and blocked me from having any access.

When I started working with Betty back in August, she convinced me to transfer this site (www.allabouthim.com) to her cousin Chad's server. For some reason I did and last Saturday I quickly realized what a mistake this was and how easily I was played.

She basically held this site hostage, threatening that she would "not jeopardize this site or the launch of my second book IF I transferred the domain name www.allaboutrecoverynetwork.com into her name." I have this in writing, which is why I'm not concerned about being sued for defamation here.

I told her I would give her the domain name if she made me whole and bought it from me for the $3k that I invested. She ignored my request and simply stole the site by having her cousin copy it and move it to a new domain name.

Not only did she steal the site from me by having her cousin move it to a domain name I don't own, but she managed to convince him to point the domain name that I do own (www.allaboutrecoverynetwork.com) to the new domain name she owns now. This is completely illegal and I did get an attorney involved so as of yesterday, I see they finally stopped forwarding my domain name to her new one. This is why none of you can find it. She bought a new domain name for $11.99 so she didn't have to buy me out for the domain name it was previously under.

As I mentioned, Briseis and Ms. Vulcan chose not to come stay with me so fortunately, were not here for the shake-down. After Betty stole everything from me, I sent e-mails to both Briseis and Ms. Vulcan saying they were free to moderate on both sites, but I never heard back from them. I understand Betty has been sabotaging me for months, telling the moderators lies about me so I'm not surprised they are not responding to me.

It's another lesson for me not to be so trusting. I met Betty for the first time this August. I took her to a Melissa Etheridge concert and let her stay at my home numerous times (even when I was not home). She lives in Rockford, Illinois so she is not close to Chicago at all.

She can have the recovery coaching site. I'm just glad I saw her true colors before I invested any more in a partnership with her. I am simply walking away in disbelief and sadness that some people can be so manipulative, exploitave and cruel.

Thanks to everyone for your support. I am not trying to create more drama, but I feel those of you who want to know what happened deserve an explanation. I am just so glad to have this site back under my control. I don't know what I was thinking when I transferred it to her cousin. Last week was absolute hell as they held my site hostage, threatened me and slandered me to moderators that I welcomed into my home and my heart. Never again.

The Six Steps are not gone. They will be published with the release of my second book "Surviving a Toxic Relationship" due out this Spring 2011.

Feb 25 - 9AM
Lisa E. Scott
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Please stop and get back to recovery

I appreciate everyone's support, but as I said the other day, there is no need to comment on this anymore. I see they continue to post defamatory language about me on their site. I will not stoop to their level anymore, but say this. Until now, I have decided not to take legal action because it will cost me the same amount ($3,000) to prosecute them as they stole from me. But believe me, I do reserve this right. I have people watching their site and if they continue to slander me, I will bring on my attorneys. I have everything in writing, including the message Betty sent me saying that she and Chad would hold the pink site hostage until I surrendered the purple site to them. Their argument that all I care about is publicity is simply moronic. There is not one photo of me on this site. After the shake-down in my home, I told Chad I agreed that Betty and I could go our separate ways, but only if she made me whole. Instead of responding to my numerous messages to make me whole, they transferred the entire site to a domain name they own and cut off my access rights. Ummmm, last time I checked that's theft. They are the ones who wanted to start charging members. That was never my idea. My site isn't even equipped to do such a ridiculous thing. They already have ads on their site. I think it's pretty obvious what our differences are. They are dirty people, the kind I have never encountered before in my life. The only people who witnessed the shake-down were Goldie and my doormen at 1:00 a.m. in the morning in my home. I am furious with myself for letting them into my life the way I did. They even went so far as to harass my family to get me to turn over the site. I am heading to the burbs today to be with my family for the rest of the weekend. I am taking a much needed break from all of this at my family's request. There will be no Chat tonight. If anyone needs me, they can e-mail me at [email protected].
Feb 25 - 11PM (Reply to #56)
CougarBabe7
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Following the Leader

Back to recovery it is Lisa! CougarBabe7 will now quietly go back to the other topics & will not post another comment under this thread. :)
Feb 25 - 11AM (Reply to #55)
gettinbetter
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Mediation is a lot less

Mediation is a lot less expensive than court and there are many non profits that do it. In my profession we use binding arbitration. We have situations where there are huge somes of money at stake and it really works quite well its less expensive and stays out of court
Feb 24 - 9PM
Hunter
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Hi All, People have been

Hi All, People have been asking me about this all day. I choose to stay neutral. I have one and only one thing to say and I said it on the other site as well. This" SUCKS" Idealk :(
Feb 24 - 10PM (Reply to #39)
michele115 (not verified)
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I respect your need to remain neutral

For me...I picked a side. Everyone is different; however, knowing and witnessing the plans on this board, the discussions on the "New" site and everything else...it is apparant what has happened. For me...I am taking a side because I feel that whether Lisa frequents the site or not...this is HER site, she's done the work and if she's trusted people enough to let them in to continue the "mission" of help she should not have been bitten, used or taken advantage of...essentially it seems like she was RE-narcked! I am taking this stand publicly because in the past, I asked Lisa would she help me with some things of which at this point, I've kinda let go by the wayside and her answer was YES. No questions and no requirements of gain or profit...just Yes. She does not know me personally, and has nothing to gain. That says a lot about her character and nature and WHO she is as a person. I remember all too well when I was victimized by the Narc how folks didn't want to get "muddied" and I get that part too...Switzerland...BUT to me personally, observing and seeing...whatever happened between the ladies is one thing...what was done professionally is quite another and I'd be hesitant to follow anyone who operates in that fashion. It is my hope, that despite our pain and raw emotions over our own personal problems...we can also see that this must also be emotionally hurtful to Lisa and do our best to shore her up during this difficult time. Everyone on this board is like family. I may not come here often as of late - although I hope to frequent more often...I am very upset to witness this has happened. But, we will not let that detract from the morale, sense of unity, support and love that is here on this board. I am wishing everyone, peace, serenity and clarity...and look forward to being more of a chatty Cathy going forward. IdealK, this isn't personal...I just felt the need to speak up because while Lisa said don't take sides...we know what it feels like when someone wants to be neutral rather than look at a situation and hold a position. While Lisa is a "leader" she's human too....
Feb 25 - 1PM (Reply to #46)
michele115 (not verified)
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I would like to make something clear

I re-read my post...I did not "personally" witness anything as in a face to face...BUT I observed as a result of being on this board...and put pieces together. Yes ladies, you are right, there are THREE sides to a story; however, my personal observation from all I've seen posted about the "new" site since I joined in September etc... I arrived at my own conclusions although I understand fully that conclusions are very often "subjective" By nature, I react strongly when I feel someone has been taken advantage of, perhaps as a result of being hurt myself in such a calculated cunning way. And, I will leave it at that.
Feb 25 - 2PM (Reply to #51)
gettinbetter
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I think to form an opinion on

I think to form an opinion on what you have read on both of these forums is a gross miscalculation. These ladies had a personal friendship and have said and done things that we are not privy to. Sorry its just that I work in a male dominated analytical profession where you can never go by what's on the surface.
Feb 25 - 3PM (Reply to #52)
jen79
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Ladies lets respect now Lisa's wish

to not talk about this anymore. As I have seen, the other board closed the topic too. I find this whole event very disturbing. And maybe we need all go back and concentrate on us and our recovery. I think we all have been through enough. Having said this, I decided to break a time out from the board for a while. I need to force me back into real life. The whole fight here showed me how much I hide myself in the internet, that I already start to get angry at people I dont even know. This is crazy. Love you ladies. Hugs!
Feb 25 - 5PM (Reply to #53)
Hunter
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Jen79

Hey Jen, I agree Ill see you Switzerland!! Idealk
Feb 25 - 2PM (Reply to #50)
gettinbetter
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I think to form an opinion on

I think to form an opinion on what you have read on both of these forums is a gross miscalculation. These ladies had a personal friendship and have said and done things that we are not privy to. Sorry its just that I work in a male dominated analytical profession where you can never go by what's on the surface.
Feb 25 - 1PM (Reply to #47)
Happy1
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michele115

That's great you have arrived at your own conclusion but don't expect everyone here to agree with you or me. Isn't it hard to judge without all the facts? It's a free country and I will not be forced to take any side. And, I will leave it at that.
Feb 25 - 2PM (Reply to #48)
michele115 (not verified)
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Happy1

No one is putting a gun to any of our heads either way...that is the beauty of having an opinion. It's alright... We can all agree to disagree.
Feb 25 - 2PM (Reply to #49)
Happy1
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michele115

Sounds good to me... This topic should be dead anyway!
Feb 25 - 5AM (Reply to #40)
Happy1
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Michele115

I'm going to disagree with you. I was there that night when all the drama started. We are not in kindergarten here and have to have an opinion or feel bullied into taking sides. I have gained a lot of strength from this site, but I have gotten a lot of help from the other ladies on the other site when they were here. I have not taken sides and that is how I stand. I am not here to judge and be a part of this drama. It has hurt a lot of feelings and I will not do that because you come here and say we should. I don't like all the posting regarding this because it has nothing to do with the ladies recovery. Last I looked it was about recovery here and not this crap. We need to get back to helping ourselves and others. I love everyone here and I wouldn't be cruel to them or the other ladies. Last I looked no one is perfect in life and no one needs to throw stones. If you weren't there then don't judge. I've had people think I'm a nut bag because of my narc. I won't judge any of the ladies here or the other site. They've been a huge part of our recovery. So sorry Michele1115, I will not agree with what you said. And that's my freedom of opinion.
Feb 25 - 9AM (Reply to #45)
jen79
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Happy1

As I have understood, Briseis and MsVulcan werent there this day. Why did they choose a side then? I agree with the ones who say these ladies helped so much in recovery. For me too. And maybe its none of all our buisness. I just say, they werent there that day, and they arent neutral. But anyway. Its a big lesson, we are here bond in the trauma, it creates a big bond, and creates an illusion of friendship, though we have all never seen each other. And there lies a big danger in that. It can be exploited very easily. Thats what I learned from this story. To be on guard. Hugs.
Feb 25 - 8AM (Reply to #44)
gettinbetter
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happy and ideal

Rock on! My girls! I am right there with ya. I find it very difficult to be the judge and the jury about a situation that is a private matter that I was not present for nor involved in with people I have never met in person. It doesn't pertain to my recovery or anyone elses recovery. Happy you were there and you don't feel a need to render an opinion that says a lot about your character. Lisa has every right to share her side of the story. This is her site. It seems to me that this is a private matter which could be solved via court,mediation or arbitration. Either way its not my business
Feb 25 - 6AM (Reply to #41)
Goldie
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I love you Happy Girl!!!

And someday some very very lucky man is going to be graced with your beauty, sweetness, and wisdom!!! Please do not settle for anything LESS ever again!!! You are the BEST!!! Goldie
Feb 25 - 7AM (Reply to #43)
Hunter
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Agree!!

Agree!!
Feb 25 - 6AM (Reply to #42)
Happy1
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Thanks Goldie!

Big hugs to you and I think we're doing pretty awesome!! Happy
Feb 24 - 5PM
Steph
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Lisa! I am so sorry this

Lisa! I am so sorry this happened to you. I just read all this now. And after all that, you are still here helping people. You are one tough cookie, lady! xoxo
Feb 24 - 3PM
truetotruth
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HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP

Ok Lisa no need to IM me....sorry.... I found the explaination :( I came back after so long away to spread some love and hope and I find this....I am in shock.....in utter disbelief....... GIANT HUGS!!!! YOUR SITE SAVED MY LIFE!!!!I dont know what went down and why...I dont need to know..All I know is this site was here for me when I needed it most..you need me..you need to vent...I got your back... However considering the circumstances I can see how that would be hard to believe...... UN FREAKING REAL!!!!!!!! see now they've gone and pissed off the Canadian....!!!
Feb 23 - 7PM
Amazed
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Lisa remember you are AMAZING

Remeber that YOU are AMAZING. It is YOU that responded to the need for people to have a place of recovery and SUPPORT from suffering Narc and Psychopath abuse... It was YOU who originally founded THIS AND HAVE HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE!!! It was betty who linked onto you,, not the other way around. Keep your dreams ahead of you..keep your ambition forefront,,remember all the incredible posts that have come saying thank god lisa you established this site. Remember the seed that brought you here, we need you and trust you. Sucks to have to get into greediness with people who want to capitalize on other people. Awful. Get away soon as possible. Your supporter, Amazed
Feb 25 - 12AM (Reply to #35)
michele115 (not verified)
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Worth Repeating....

Remeber that YOU are AMAZING. It is YOU that responded to the need for people to have a place of recovery and SUPPORT from suffering Narc and Psychopath abuse... It was YOU who originally founded THIS AND HAVE HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE!!! It was betty who linked onto you,, not the other way around.
Feb 23 - 4PM
gettinbetter
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wait where did my comment go

Was it edited or deleted did I say something wrong?
Feb 23 - 5PM (Reply to #33)
Lisa E. Scott
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SickOfIt

No, you said nothing wrong! I see your note about making the joke. You have a great sense of humor. I love it. I just sent you a private message in response. I think it's best that we leave this topic alone for now and talk off-line, if you'd like. xoxo
Feb 23 - 3PM
wholeagain
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Personal opinion

This long explanation of what happened has no place here. Yes members may be curious but that doesn't mean the whole drama needs to be rolled out, no matter what the story is or who did what. What happened is between you and Betty and while a diplomatic "we went our separate ways" or even "we went our separate ways and unfortunately it wasn't pretty" is called for by way of explanation, anything else is a) distracting, and very distressing, to folks who're trying to heal from massive emotional trauma and b)turning into a junior high level she said/she said. I don't post very often anymore, and am pretty far along in the healing process, but still it hits me in the gut to read this because I saw the Narc do similar things over and over--make public that which should have remained private-- and it's a gross reminder of that. Not saying your a narc Lisa, just addressing the similarity to trauma in my past and possibly in others' here. Can't be good to be seeing this in our place of healing. We're always telling each other to rise above all the crap that the narcs sling, and I know I had to bite my tongue about a thousand times while he publicly kicked my ass all over Facebook. But you know what? My *silence* was what lead observers to figure out who was nuts and who wasn't, who had a bit of maturity and who didn't. Silence speaks loudly. All I have to say on this, wish it could just get back to helping everyone heal.
Feb 23 - 4PM (Reply to #31)
Lisa E. Scott
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Wholeagain

Wholeagain - you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it very much. However, I feel it is my responsibility to warn people about the other site. I do not want anyone thinking I endorse their site. Yes, I paid to build it, but that's it. I would not be able to sleep at night if didn't warn people about them. If someone does not want to read the story as to what happened, they do not need to, but I believe it is important that no one remains in the dark. I offer this place as a safe sanctuary and no one should come here wondering what happened to the other moderators or what happened to the site I spent the last six months building. I'm not going to hide the details. I refuse to leave people in the dark. I agree with you that we no longer need to discuss it and for that reason, I ask everyone to refrain from responding to this post anymore. My intention of reposting this story only came after their refusal to remove defamatory language about me on the site I paid to build, which they subsequently stole from me.
Feb 23 - 4PM (Reply to #26)
Mariline
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I do not agree.....it is

I do not agree.....it is never right to be silent about injustice and you are comparing two very different situations.
Feb 25 - 6AM (Reply to #30)
NancyM
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Hmmm

Kinda why I left but am not offering an opinion at this time. Missed you on FB Mariline....even though I don't understand Italian. xoxo

Nevergoback

Feb 23 - 7PM (Reply to #28)
faithinthefuture
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Mariline

First WELCOME BACK!!!!! That in itself says a lot to me! There was an injusice done to Lisa. And to keep silent about it would be like letting the Ns get away with what we did. Lisa you have taught us better than that. I wouldn't be where I am today without this wonderful site and the women on it. I have felt a bond here from the very first day. And Goldie I can tell your words come from your heart just because you truly care. So I'm here to stay. And I much prefer the color pink over purple :-) or blue or whatever it is!