Red flags?

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#1 Aug 30 - 6AM
Alisa
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Red flags?

Hi everyone,
Haven't been here in a while - hope, everyone is staying strong with NC.
I've pretty much gotten over my ExN - actually I have completely gotten over him but the whole Narc-phenomenon still lingers.

I really need your advice now though.
My biggest fear is that I'll fall for another narc - the last one has left me pretty scarred and makes me question things I normally wouldn't question.

So I have met a new guy who seems to be amazing in every way - we aren't dating yet, just getting to know each other. He is the complete opposite of my ExN in many ways. For example, he did me a huge favor but did it completely without boasting. He writes in full sentences and says what he means. His past relationships seem normal to me so far, he's not bitching about his exes. So technically, I am pretty sure that I am not dealing with a narc (and all my past relationships weren't narcs either except for the last) but I am still freaking out he might be one.

The reason is that he hasn't really been asking me how I was when we were chatting. I do feel he is listening to what I am saying but I am getting a slight feeling that he likes to talk about himself more. Which is not that big of a deal, I am pretty egocentric myself without being a narc. But of course it's made me wonder....

Obviously it's too early to tell but is there anything I should be looking for that would be an early sign of him being a narc? I know what narcs are like but I also know they are good actors.
I hope I am just paranoid, because I really like this guy.

Any advice is appreciated!

Aug 31 - 12PM
Nemesis
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Red Flag List

Hi Alisa, These would be some of mine: 1) They "lovebomb" you at the start using intense flattery. e.g. They like everything that you like. They seem to admire eveything about you and approve of everything you do. They tell you you're the most beautiful woman they've ever met. 2) They use pity (yours) to get you to feel sorry for them early on. e.g. Their beloved pet has just died, a family member is ill or they nearly died at birth etc. They do this to test your emotional output, in other words, to see how easily you can be moved (manipulated) by a sob story. 3) They want the relationship to move fast. e.g. They are trying to get engaged to you, get you to move in with them or talking about having kids within the first 6 months of the relationship. 4) They make grand gestures but shy away from real responsibility. e.g. They might offer help excessively when you don't actually need any or make a big fuss to look after you when you've got a tiny cold. But when you are really ill or really in need of help they avoid you, make excuses or tell you they are unavailable, even if it's very important to you. 5) They display a lack of empathy. e.g. They don't show compassion to others or show remorse when their beahviour has had a negative impact on others. They may have a tendancy to laugh at the mis-fortune of others. 6) They are vague or secretive about their past or other aspects of their life. e.g. They don't show you old photos, they don't seem to want you to meet old friends or get to know their family. 7) They can't take criticism but are highly critical of others. e.g. They make comments about other people that you instinctively feel that you could not make to them without offending them. 8)They are polite to people in authority but rude to people who they consider to be inferior. e.g. They are polite to their boss at work but rude (or abrupt) to the waiter in the restaurant. 9) They are unable ever to accept blame or admit to being at fault in any way. e.g. If you ever argue, you are always the one to apologise. Every problem is "someone else's fault". 10) If your gut is telling you that something is not right. e.g. If you're not happy with the way he has just treated you but you feel like you can't complain. If he seems inconsistent in his behaviour. If you start to feel like you are not sure that he is who you thought he was. Hope this helps! xxx
Sep 1 - 4PM (Reply to #14)
mystwoman
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Oh my, you've obviously met

Oh my, you've obviously met xnh (rofl)! Yes, I know these narcs are all clones with the same traits. I just couldn't resist saying it. :) This is a really excellent list. Xnh displayed every one of these red flags. Thank you so much for posting it!

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Sep 1 - 12PM (Reply to #13)
Alisa
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Wow, excellent list! I

Wow, excellent list! I especially liked the example "e.g. They might offer help excessively when you don't actually need any or make a big fuss to look after you when you've got a tiny cold. But when you are really ill or really in need of help they avoid you, make excuses or tell you they are unavailable, even if it's very important to you." soooooo true, from the start! Ironically, my ExN broke up with me when I got ill
Aug 30 - 9AM
Deidre40
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Hi alisa—I’d say the #1 red

Hi alisa—I’d say the #1 red flag to look for in any relationship, is how do you feel with the person? If you start having a pit in your stomach…you know, remember how you felt with the narc? And that pit in your stomach, and worry, etc…starts to grow every time you’re together…it’s time to discontinue with that person. I remember having those terrible feelings in my stomach. An intense anxiety, heart pounding feeling, whenever I’d get ready to talk to the narc…or he’d send me a text. This was of course after he started showing his true colors. I kept ignoring those feelings. I will never ever ignore those types of feelings again. For that’s your gut warning you to flee. So to me. It’s more of how you are feeling, than anything this new guy is doing or not doing, that would be the red flag. On the flipside, no one is perfect…and we have to be mindful to not overthink dating someone new. I wish you well as you continue on!
Sep 1 - 10AM (Reply to #9)
Hereforme
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Deidre question...

Very good point here! Thanks for posting this. But clear this up for me..." this was of course after he started showing his true colors". So did you only start to have the gut feelings after this or did you have them early on when first meeting and dating? My problem was that after I waited years to date and started dating the main narc in my life. I had those feeling in the beginning and attributed them to being excited for dating again. Now I know different!
Sep 1 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
Deidre40
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Hi hereforme! :=) Sadly, for

Hi hereforme! :=) Sadly, for me. I knew what he was about before dating him. Yes, I was one of those…lol Who thought she could rescue this man from all the ‘bad’ women who wronged him. I knew he had mega relationship/women issues. But, I forged ahead. When I started dating him, he was great. At first. So, I thought…see, you are making a difference Deidre! But, it only took a few weeks, for his colors to show. It’s pretty much once we exchanged, ‘’I love you’’ that he began changing. I knew better. I knew he was not right for me, but I forged ahead. This is a lesson for me…for all of us…that we can’t rescue anyone in this life from themselves. If someone is a narcissist/psychopath …they need help far more than we can provide. They can’t be rescued. It stinks, cuz I knew better. :=( I hope this helps clarify what I meant. Stay strong!
Sep 1 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
Alisa
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Very similar here. I knew

Very similar here. I knew something was off but didn't know what. He waited very long before he actually kissed me and then he was all over me for the next couple of weeks - very odd. Then he broke up a few days after we had sex and after I had told him I was over my ex (before him) and ready for a relationship with him. He used the tiniest excuse to break up with me (I was sick and cranky and that led to a fight and that prompted him to break up. Now of course I know that my crankiness didn't prompt anything but was just the perfect excuse to end things) I only started to see patterns the second time around.
Aug 31 - 3AM (Reply to #7)
Alisa
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Thank you! I know exactly

Thank you! I know exactly what "pit in your stomach" you are talking about. You wrote "This was of course after he started showing his true colors." Same here with my ex, although I didn't ignore those feelings for very long. I wish there were earlier signs, you know, so we wouldn't get in again that deeply. Right now I am feeling very comfortable around the guy. The only anxiety I feel is because I don't know if he has any feelings for me or just sees me as a friend. Communication is good, better than with a lot of guys I've met. Off-topic: I am currently experiencing this feeling you described with a friend of mine who I used to be very close to. She definitely has some narcissistic features although I doubt she's a true narc. I've decided a while ago, to lessen contact with her. What you wrote has confirmed my decision even more.
Aug 31 - 8AM (Reply to #8)
Deidre40
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Hi alisa—feeling comfort is a

Hi alisa—feeling comfort is a good thing. I think that having been through a narc relationship like you have been, I’d think you’d be sensing something ‘off’ right now. But, just be cautious, that’s all. There’s no rush. Signs to look for as you continue…if he tells you he loves you soon or after another month…that’s a beaming red flag. If he starts to crowd your space, make demands, act jealous…disappear after he seems reliable, etc…all those things sometimes take a little time to show. Mine showed his true colors early on, too. We only dated three months. If I’m honest, alisa. I NEVER felt comfort with the guy. Never. I knew he was married several times. I knew he had a bad guy reputation, yet I kept going forward. Perhaps, I was attracted to his persona, and not really HIM. He is very masculine, but deep down very insecure. So, for me, I was never comfortable. I just pretended to be, and well…we see where that landed me! Good luck with this…I hope it works out, if it’s meant to be.
Aug 30 - 8AM
Sparrow
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Alisa

Hi Alisa. Narcs seek supply from the opposite sex within a relationship, they seek supply from co-workers, from their own children, AND from new aquaintances.........but, with that said, just because he is talking about himself a lot now, it is the "get to know" process and people do tend to talk about themselves more often in that period. It is awesome that you picked up on him not asking "you" questions, however he does listen when you talk. This is key, pay close attention to this red flag. Other red flags, in my experience would be the following........ 1. intrusiveness: does he call often? too often? at times when he knows you are preoccupied? 2. does he ask inappropriate questions, that seem "ok" but makes you a little apprehensive to answer. does he speak openly about sex? 3. ask him about his relationship with his Mother. Ask him about his ex's, are they still friendly? If he have nothing but negative to say about them, run for the hills. 4. how is his spending? does he seem to have a lot of expensive toys? does he seem to have an attitude that money is no object? 5. does he ramble when he speaks? does he jump from one topic to another without you being able to get a word in edgewise? does he seem all over the board? 6. if you start to date, and he seems too good to be true, and is moving very quickly, telling you that you are "the one"......RUN FOR THE HILLS! I am sure everyone here has some more to add to this list of red flags........ It stinks that we have to view the world without our rose colored glasses now, but they did do us a favor. We are more alert to this type of human being. Good luck! I hope you find him to be a non-narc!!
Aug 31 - 3AM (Reply to #5)
Anabelle
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Spot on

I wish I would have had this list before I got involved with my ex. Thx
Aug 31 - 3AM (Reply to #4)
Alisa
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Thank you so much for your

Thank you so much for your "list". I was giggling because a lot of the items fit my ExN so well... So far the new guy is doing well - none of these things really apply (some things I can't answer yet like spending habits or his relationship with his mother) I have never heard him talk negatively about his exes, although he was disappointed by both his last ones. It also doesn't seem that he's one to jump right into the next relationship. I guess I'll have to get to know him a lot better first. Unless it turns out that he's not interested, things are moving really slowly, which I don't mind, trust me!!
Aug 30 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
Redhead1
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I wish we could come up with

I wish we could come up with a list of red flags. I know them, dont always remember them. Maybe everyone could chime in with one of their own.
Aug 31 - 3AM (Reply to #3)
Alisa
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Yes! After reading the list

Yes! After reading the list above I felt like "I knew these things already" but for some reason I seem to forget them too. For me the list of "Red Flags" would be different than the regular descriptions of what a narc is like. The red flags would be little signs to look for, so we can avoid the worst. If anyone feels like starting a post with a list, I'd definitely add to it. We would just have to try to keep it to "early signs" and not "craziness we discovered after going out for a year"