Jaycee

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#1 Sep 26 - 10PM
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Jaycee

You mentioned that your NARC was also a sex addict. I note having been involved with someone who also had "addiction" challenges that many display NARC behaviors as well...they can be addicts AND NARCS. I read this site a few weeks back, and found some of the information helpful. You may benefit from checking it out as well.

Good luck!

http://marriedtoasexaddict.com/cosa/

Sep 27 - 10AM
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jaycee sweetie

Do you know it might be hard for some people to read your posts, cause we are all here very empathic, and we all have been in that place you are now. And we all might be afraid to feel that pain again - that place of despair. Your post just made me cry, jaycee, cause I know how you feel, it is the hell, you cant come closer to hell than this. But I promise you jaycee, it does stop, one day, it stops, and you will smile again. Come here and post all your pain out again and again, and never be afraid of someone be impatient. I think everyone just wants you to get out there as fast as possible, cause we know how terrible it is. Hugs and Love jaycee, please never lose your faith!
Sep 26 - 10PM
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Please Note Jaycee

The women on the aformentioned board allegedly for the most part have decided to "live" with thier spouse. I realize that you are not in that predicament - as you shouldn't be. However, it will give you a thumbnail sketch of the horror that will ensue...the reality of what you have had to deal with all these years and maybe help you come to some point of moving forward...in the words of Betty...for me, reading it gave me validation that I wasn't crazy...I can't confirm if mine was, but there is alot I can't confirm these days... all the best.
Sep 27 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
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please note jaycee

oh michele, i know you just dont get how i feel right now, and you think im stupid for obsessing, but the pain is so unbearable right now, i cant stop shaking and crying, as i know, everyword out of his mouth is an utter lie, and he has not intention of moving on from her, and making a life for himself that will include a healthy beautiful relationship with our children. i know he lies and lies and lies, but i guess im addicted to him like heroin, the more he gives me the cruel false hope that he is unhappy with her and is trying to find a way out, the more sick and deranged i realize he is, but i cant let go, i cant let her win anymore than she has, i know sounds so crazy, and i know you are going to be like this dumb bitch, but its not out of ignorance nor out of any hidden issue i may have, its out of the fact that i suffered all these years, not knowing why, what was wrong, i just wanted so badly for me and kids to have what i have only known, two parents who love and respect each other and a home with both parents in attendance. i know programmed to want that white picket fence so desperately, and it was never there, but i cant stop being so angry with myself for not defending me, not defending me with him, as at one point when our son first left for bootcamp, he would threaten me and say "shut the fuck up or ill leave you now" that went on for a couple of months on and off, then he started with the Im not with her anymore, i made the biggest mistake of my life, shes a bitch a whore, a nasty person, im sorry she called here, i told her i didnt believe her i knew she did, if she ever called here again shed be sorry, youre my life, i couldnt do it without you, and i still didnt realize what a sociopath he was, because i didnt know what a narc was, didnt know he was one, i always thought it was me who couldnt make him happy. for a year, i thought wow, he really did get rid of her, and when our son went to iraq, i was devastated and couldnt understand why it didnt bother him, why he didnt think about it every minute like i did, then i realized he was still screwing around with the girl from work and the one down the beach, but i turned a blind eye to it, then this one, started again, putting things in my mailbox, calling our house, driving by at all hours beeping her horn, etc......then the sick bastard, swore his own son would die in iraq that he would never see her again........his own son, would die in battle, can you imagine how i was thinking, wow, he really means it, hes done with her. then i found out he was screwing her still, and on and on, i put up with it until i could no longer, then packed his shit in garbage bags and dumped them on her doorstep, but now, i regret it, i miss my illusion, i know crazy huh, i miss it so much, i die knowing he is giving her the ultimate illusion of love and comfort and cooking and cleaning and being there for her and her kid, when that was my fucked up illusion, why do i regret it so much, i know deep in my heart i did the right thing, so why cant i let go, why cant i say twenty four years of a life's lesson learned and move on. why does it bother me so much that she gloats and laughs at me, feeling victorious over winning. oh michele, i know you dont get it, you probably are a much different woman than i, i just wanted my family thats all, and now she has the illusion of him and her kid as their family. its eating me alive and no matter how much i try to forget it and move on, i cant, im so sad and so sick and no one understands all i want is for him to leave her, so i know fact for sure, he never loved her either, cause i know he never loved me. i read that page you sent, and my stomach turned, how sick to really have to accept i was married to a serial cheating, sex addicted narc, who never loved me and sits here watching me suffer and does nothing about it, he knows all he would have to do is move on from her, and i would let go, i would move on and just keep praying his next one will help him to have a better relationship with his children, as for his son, maybe the next one would force him to make amends with his son and be a real man who actually gives a shit about the young man, who was once his little boy..........im sorry if you think im stupid and too obsessed but the pain is so overwhelming there are days i wish i were dead, and at least i wouldnt feel anymore............and no unlike him, i am not selfish enough to do that to my kids.............

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 3PM (Reply to #16)
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You are not STUPID! You are HURTING!

You are not stupid! No one thinks you are stupid for obsessing. We know you are in agony with the obsessing, and that is why we are trying to throw you lifelines to pull you out of the mud. Because jaycee, we KNOW the pain and obsession, and we are desperately trying to tell you HOW to make it stop, and HOW to get through it. Learn from OUR pain. And what we want you to know is that it doesn't stop until you make steps, any tiny baby step you can, away from the chaos, and away from the narcs and their narc allies, and back toward sanity. Wishing it will stop won't work. No contact is the only thing that works, and that is the hard hard lesson learned by so many people here. And one day you will have learned it too...eventually you WILL get there, you WILL get better, you are already showing a lot of progress by talking more about YOUR feelings and thoughts. That's all we want for you, to find yourself again. You are not stupid, you have been treated horribly and you are reacting like anyone would.
Sep 27 - 6PM (Reply to #17)
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better off

thank you for your kind words, i want to learn from others, i want to soak in every bit of everyone here's advice, but im still so stuck and so obsessive, its sickening. but im trying like hell to look at him differently, especially when i know hes blatantly lying to my face. i used to think i was paranoid, now i know when he is plain simple fn lying, and that about everytime he opens his mouth. at least now, i know that, liar liar, too bad his fn pants were not on fire, and dirty dick burned off.......lol i hate him right now, just for the moment, i get these moments, cant wait till i always hate him. or at least not think of him except when i really have too.........

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
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STOP!!! YOU ARE NOT STUPID!

Jaycee, you are in pain. It is legitimate pain, it is hard earned pain, it is fucked up pain but it is pain. You are right, I can't feel you pain, but I felt pain...I've been bowed over in pain, unable to function, unable to sleep, so screwed up in the head I prayed someone would just bash me in the head with a hammer and knock me out of my misery. I copped some adavan from a friend cause I couldn't get to a friggin doctor and I knew the psych ward wasn't where I wanted to be - but would they keep me in the state I was in...uh...probably. I know the pain you are describing. I may not be feeling it in your intensity right now, but I've been there so I empathize with you. Getting it all out is healthy. And whether you believe it or not, in retelling your story today, I see a great amount of strength - because despite documenting your pain and your feelings, you are also showing that you recognize certain realities about them. This is what is going to help you get out of the vortex you are stuck in. AND JAYCEE, it is gonna take time. I think that given the amount of time you've invested, it would be abnormal to think you'd just snap out of it. I understand obsessing is part of it...we've all done it...at times I still do it - I'm on an upswing for the moment, but I'm not confident I'm homefree - not by a longshot. The obsessing is not wrong - its part of this whole disaster we all find ourselves in. What I'd like you to try - and I know it's hard right now so be kind and easy to yourself...baby steps. Try to recognize that the reality now and you've acknowledged it yourself...you said it and admitted, that the relationship was an illusion. Your LOVE was not an illusion, but the relationship - the man you were with-the man you thought you married was an illusion. If that is correct - then the thinking you have about them being happy is also an ILLUSION. You hit the hammer on the nail...you said you were addicted to him. Yes, we become addicted because they create those things we desperately crave they are keen and they know exactly how to weasel their way into our psyche...that's why this hurts so much. We've been emotionally RAPED. Do not be mad at yourself for loving, do not be mad at yourself for not being aggressive. In all of your posts, the worse thing I've heard you say you did was pack his bags and throw him out - and honey, you were a saint to do that. Do you know how much courage and strength that took? Do you really? You took a stand and said get the fuck out!!! AND, while you admit to secretly wishing you hadn't...which yea, I'll fess up, I emotionally backtracked too...you haven't yet said "Baby Come Home." Have you given yourself credit for that? That no matter how much it hurts, Jaycee is still holding her ground no matter how much it hurts? You knock yourself for not getting the pound of flesh telling that bitch off or maybe yanking her hair or doing something back to her. Do you realize that the biggest demonstration of strength is restraint?...We've both seen cat fights in our lives hey?...Regardless, you have maintained your dignity, class and decency. What is there bad that can be said about you? Despite your pain, your anger...you are here sharing with us, but you haven't done anything that would qualify you as "insane" You have to feel your anger, you have to feel your sadness-but at a certain point, despite that anger and frustration and sadness and overwhelming grief, you need to say...enough you will no longer have control over my mind. This is where your challenge is, you are having a very hard time taking your control back. I understand no contact is impossible right now because of your circumstances but let me ask you...just because someone talks, do you HAVE to listen? I remember when I was a kid, children would taunt me. I'd get all worked up in a huff get all upset, either try to kick their ass, or get so hurt I'd cry...*I've always been a creature of extremes...LOL. And I would repeatedly be told...Michele, ignore them. Ignore them?! Impossible. One day I tried it. They kept at it for a while, then I tried it some more. Over time, they got bored and stopped messing with me. Its the same with your Narc. He may up the ante a bit at first because he's also caught up in the addiction of screwing with your mind; however, once he sees that Jaycee isn't having any of it, he'll go look for someone else to make miserable. The other side of the coin Jaycee, even in healthier relationships that don't work out...sometimes we don't ever stop loving the person. That's okay as long as we can accept that the relationship is no longer. No one can stop your love but you...I can't, no one can. BUT, the reality is, that there is still an option when you love someone who is unwilling or unable to reciprocate the love you have...you can choose to love them from a distance. You can know he's terribly flawed, harmful and dangerous to your well being, but if you can't let go of the love yet, you don't have to. You don't have to hate if that isn't in your nature. You can still love in secret but from a distance. Or, you can openly hate him...LOL, but in my estimation, the goal would be indiffence because hate doesn't always harm them but will eat YOU up inside. Jaycee, if you want to have a hissy fit next time asshat shows up...why not just do it, let it out, tell him what a piece of shit you think he is? Call up your lawyer, meet with him, get your ducks in a row, then let him have it. Maybe that is what is blocking you, that you are expressing it to us, but are frustrated because you haven't felt like you've been able to direct the anger to the proper people. The lack of closure I am sure isn't helping. That was one of the most difficult aspects for me. BUT, I can't force it, and I know it would lack sincerity so what can I do? I can only admit that I am powerless. I'm going to pose another question Jaycee. While your pain is valid, if your husband were not a sex addict but say a crack addict, would you still be twisted in knots? I presume you might be because you love him and people don't just abandon people they love until they've run out of steam and are depleted, but maybe not to this extent. Infedelity has been tolerated for generations...it's a man thing...that's what they've brainwashed us women to believe. BUT, if he were sitting there day in and day out smoking crack, smelling up your house, not bathing, stealing your tv or better yet...your dustpan! Would you still be envious of the prize the whore won? I think I know you well enough to say CERTAINLY NOT!...well Jaycee, I'm going to say this: An addict is an addict...crack, meth, heroin, sex...it's all addiction. An addict is an addict. SO...view him as a crack addict, he could never give you what you wanted, what you needed and he will never be able to give you or anyone else anything because HE IS SICK and beyond cure. I think from the way you described your feelings about the stie I suggested -made you ill, you are not going to be one of those women who "walk the steps" with him. I am happy for that Jaycee - and that's why I wanted you to see it. You deserve much much much better. You also know that, which is why you are so bent out of shape. AHA...this is all a normal part of the process...Jaycee is okay and she's not losing her mind...she's deeply hurt and traumatized and understandably so. Jaycee, you did not lose anything. You won...you just don't see the prize yet. You are going to get yourself together, you will heal in time, you will be much wiser and when you get to better footing, your tolerence for bullshit will decrease significantly...it's an added bonus from being burned by that nasty NARC. I will put my hands on fire Jaycee that in time, when you start healing and getting stronger...the whore will envy you. You know why? Because when the chickens come home to roost...as they alway do - she will envy the fact that "YOU GOT AWAY" and your suffering has ended. And she will see just what a piece of shit he is, and don't be surprised if one day...can't tell you when you just might get a phone call from her apologizing if only to try to verify if she's gone mad or not...I speak from experience dear. I did not taunt but if you read my story, I was the OW...a month and a half ago, I picked up the phone and made amends and told her that her day had arrived. I apologized and explained all that happened and made amends for any pain I caused her, and knowing what I knew about narcs, shared with her that I hope she's healing *which apparently she hasn't still and my heart goes out to her...but I wanted to give her the validation that I knew her piece of shit husband never did, and advised her to research narcissism. I called her woman to woman, and gave a sincere apology. Jaycee, either way whether it comes or not - victory is yours because you are strong. You lived 24 years of hell. There is nothing weak about you. Let it out and maybe try to find a 12 step support group that addresses the issues. I've looked into Adult Children of Alcoholics. While you may not come from an Alcoholic home, survivors have similar stories of pain, putting others before themselves, co-dependency...these issues are universal with people like us. Right now, there doesn't seem to be a 12 step for us, but we on this board are all pioneers...one day it can come to fruition...in the meantime, keep on reaching out. It is a sign of strength...it is a sign of a determined spirit. Stop putting yourself down - he's done that long enough. All the best my love...please please be tender with yourself. Hugs...
Sep 27 - 11AM (Reply to #4)
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michele

thank you michele, that was so kind of you to say, and i am glad, i got such words from someone who was the ow. but i can bet my bottom dollar, you never tormented his wife, ever, and you are a good person to have called her and let her know how sorry you are and tried to help her heal. as the wife, i know my pain and suffering will continue for a very long time, but there is hope i will be better someday. and thank you for telling me, the chickens come home to roost no matter how much he is giving her the illusion, that someday, no matter who she is, she will see him without the mask. right now, im dealing with my life going into a downward spiral, my daughter is an addict and has finally fessed up to using again, and right now i need to get her into a program asap. my son has been drinking himself silly since he came home from iraq, but he still at least has it going on, and knows he needs to stop partying too much, he says its blowing off all the horrible steam from the war. as for the narc, can you promise me one thing, even if it is repetitive and obsessive, can you promise me he will do the same to her and he will never find happiness anywhere. can you do that for me, even if its a lie so i can feel better today......thank you from the bottom of my heart....jaycee

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
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Jaycee

I would love to promise that he will do the same to her and he will never find happiness anywhere; however, I do not have to promise what is a FACT... He is not happy, nor will he find happiness anywhere. He is a liar, liar, liar, liar. Liars don't find happiness. As for her, she will be unhappy because eventually the mask will come off and he will do the same to her...it's all in time. God's time - which we have no control over... Cant cite chapter and verse, not really a religious fanatic...but I know somewhere it says: Vengence is mine... That means that sometimes we have to get out of God's way and let him do his work...humble enough to trust he knows what he's doing, and will be much better and more powerful at vengence than I. Hugs.
Sep 28 - 6AM (Reply to #15)
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jaycee from michele

michele, thank you for saying that, i know you are so right, cant promise something that is fact for sure, i am going to post something this morning, and i will tell you, they are unhappy, and cannot fathom why they do what they, because they are sick and twisted. i ll get into it in my newer post this morn. but thank you so much, and being religious is not being a fanatic, its beautiful to have a relationship with the Lord, I am very devoted and know everything is in God's time, not mine. But he will undo my pain and he will seek vengeance for me. xoxo jaycee

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
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Jaycee

I can promise you that. He's never going to change and whoever he winds up with he will only cause misery. He is incapable of a relationship. And you need to stop putting so much weight on how things "appear." By your own words, the only reason your N smells so sweet is because you were living a lie, making excuses for him. Remember? You painted yourself into a corner and that's why you're having trouble proving that it is indeed him who is the crazy one. And it is him Jaycee. One of my best friends from childhood stole someone's N and paid dearly for it. When she finally got out after twenty some years -- she went from the frying pan right into the flames with another N... and she won't see daylight in this lifetime. She had kids with the first and their life has been nothing but an uphill battle. My sociopath father in law's third wife did her best to pretend she was happy as a pig in you know what til the day he died. But only a blind person could miss the number of hoops she was jumping through not to piss him off. We only saw them on vacation and it was impossible not to hear him screaming at her at night... if she got caught up in one of those hoops during the day. And it was rare if she didn't. I am really sorry to hear how upset your children are. I'm a longtimer, so you're going to have to forgive me for what I'm about to say. Destroyed as you are, you need to get the focus off this other woman and get the focus on your daughter. Like it or not, the odds are really high that she is going to repeat your mistake. My N was a Saint compared to yours, and within a year of starting college my high achieving daughter hooked up with a guy who tainted her for life -- and he's now in jail for life. I've been all over the internet for two years, and one thing you and I both need to be prepared for is this... As our kids age there is a lot of evidence that suggests that one day they will hold us just as responsible, if not moreso, for staying with the N. I've read this over and over again on boards geared more toward parent child relationships, though those reflecting are now adults. The N is the disordered one, we aren't and we didn't protect them. Case closed. This OW didn't not break up your happy home. Your N did. She's just one of a hundred and has won nothing but a big fat booby prize. The joke is on her. Let him fuck up her kids while you try to get yours to saftey. And please don't make the mistake of thinking that the problem (N), needs to be involved in the solution. Odds are he'll do more damage than good anyway. The Lord works in mysterious ways, and I wouldn't be so sure he didn't use the OW, to free you... for both you and your children's sake. You would have gone to deaths door with this serial cheating N who has disrespected you and your children to the core. You've been blessed, yes I said blessed, with the oppourtunity to show your daughter that both you and she should never have to tolerate men who treat you like you crap. She has a steep mountain to climb, and she needs her very strong Mama in her corner. I know how hurt you are by this OW, Jaycee. I do. But you don't have the luxury of grieving this for too long, or your daughter will suffer for it. And I am begging you to trust me here. Begging. I'm about a decade ahead of you and feel like I have been trying to put out a forest fire with a squirt gun. Trucks called to a five alarmer couldn't put out the fire I started by staying with my N. I'm sorry if what I said hurts you. God knows the last thing I'd want to do is cause you more pain. But problems with our kids is inevitable -- and there's really no way of sugar coating the sad fact. I wish you nothing but the best. My life is out of control right now but maybe in a few weeks we can get on the phone and chat. My prayers are with you and your children. Love, MovinOnUp
Sep 27 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
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movinonup

so sorry you have been put through this also its a horrible life and a horrible time to get over. i have allowed him to destroy me and whats worse our children, how sad. i have allowed this because i was so blind for so many years. now, his lies about not loving her and wanting to get his own place, i know are just that, lies, he wants to give me false hope, which is so cruel, but as we both know thats how they operate, they are cruel and decietful and awful monsters. i wish i could hate him more and forget what she did to me, so as to move on without a thought, because i know someday, she will have this pain but probably ten times worse. but i cant pity a woman who tormented me, she didnt even know me, just knew i loved him, that i know she knew.....he loves to say how much the other loves him........he even went as far as to tell me, this girl loves me so much, more than even you could love me. good luck to you, lets have coffee over the phone one day.........xoxo jaycee

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 3PM (Reply to #11)
MovinOnUp
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Jaycee

Keep in mind he has few if any responsibilities with her. To an N, that's love baby. Not in the way WE use and feel the word. But for them, the less energy they have to expend, the better. You don't have to pity this woman. But I hope you'll forgive me for thinking of her as your savior in a round about way. I actually envy you a little. I prayed for years that someone would steal my N so I wouldn't get stuck being the one to end it. You are just way too loving and compassionate to spend your WHOLE life with someone who will never be capable of returning the love you have to give. I look forward to that cup of coffee, Jaycee.
Sep 27 - 6PM (Reply to #12)
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movinonup

thank you for your words, you are right, he has no responsibilities with her, and im sure he equates that will love, cause its easy, but he does have to bow down to her as she is his sugar mama and pays for everything. that has to wear and tear on a narc, cause they hate being chained to a chair and being told what they can and cannot do. im sure he loves her controlling and demanding ways, to an extent, but im sure hes missing the freedom he had while married to me. anything that takes effort on his part, is too much for him, so if she is insisting he put energy into anything, that will do them in, effort is something hes never had to give. but thank you and please lets do coffee via the phone, if i can ask, what state do you live in???

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
MovinOnUp
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Jaycee

I'm on the East Coast. Kinda between NY City and Philadelphia.
Sep 27 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
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jaycee

it is hard to read your posts because i know exactly how you feel :( your self blame is exactly how i know you are with an abusor and that you are kind and sweet and that's why he chose you. i'm not in any place to give advise, but listen to michelle, shes super wise and i promise nobody on here will ever call or think youare stupid for hurting... hugs
Sep 27 - 2PM (Reply to #6)
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jaycee

thanks fierflie, you are too, so sweet. im trying, please ask God to answer my prayers, please...........im hurting so bad right now.

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
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Focus on your children. It

Focus on your children. It hurts, we ALL know that. But please listen to the crux of what Movin wrote. Your children are watching you. To get "over this" you have to "go through it". It takes a LOOOOONG time and it hurts and you obsess. But you also do what you can do to understand Sociopaths, Psychopaths and Narcissists; these are extreme personality disorders. It is okay for your children (who are of an age to understand)to see you struggle for what is right. It is a struggle. My husband suffered a psychotic break and 7 years later killed himself. --- The Sociopath I was with afterward has taken much more strength to get over. We all wish you well. There is a lot for you to do now. But it has NOTHING to do with whomever he is with. Peace. J

Peace. J

Sep 28 - 6AM (Reply to #8)
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focus on your children

janet, im so sorry for what you have been through, I will keep you in my prayers, thank you for helping me by your response. it does take such strength to get over the mind fn of a sociopath. God will bring us strength I promise. xoxo

Jaycee