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#1 Dec 3 - 5PM
imabloke
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Quote for the day..

Sticks and stone may break my bones...
but words can hurt forever...

I'm on a roll tonight.. got this off youtube.. not feeling good... realising just what a fucking emotional bully i was living with.. she said some fucking awful things to me.. but all by stealth.. it hasn't really hit home yet... it just goes round in my head... i'm not good enough, i'm not good enough, i'm not good enough...

Why did i let her carry on..? when i see her (which isn't often thank God) it feels like i'm confronting a bully ... like what happened when i was a child at school...

Dec 4 - 9AM
MsVulcan500
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Imabloke,

Truer words have never been spoken! And we also can't forget those unspoken words. Daggers from their eyes, deliberate silence, and sinister sneers.
Dec 3 - 8PM
blueeyes
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Because

You were in love with who she pretended to be Bloke...At least that's why I listened intently while he screamed in my face "DIE, I HOPE YOU DIE, I HATE YOU". I think about chilling events that make my blood curl. You are a normal person, she was not. It so hurts and we need to hurt, then we need to stop hurting and that's why were here. I totally understand this post because I sit there and think the same shit :(
Dec 6 - 3PM (Reply to #20)
Qing Yuan
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reading this actually made

reading this actually made me think I was a narc. I screamed much the same stuff at him. I felt so deeply angrered by his insensitive uncaring aloof and callous ways. I screamed at him infront of our son. he never raised his voice. His words cut me with a calm superior tonality that he could of been reading a menu allowed... excpet it would be menu of vile reasons of why I am such a flawed and lesser human being. he trifled my oppinions with a flowery intellectual onslaught of clever words and correcetd my speaking and crushed my views to a pulp. WE actually talked about the 'words will never hurt me' thing the other day... I told him people had been known to suffer with PTSD from living with someone who used abusive words and he said that that was totally impossible and that it was rediculous to compare words spoken between a couple to things that cause PTSD in victims of war... he is an idiot. just becasue he can swithc off he thinks we are all thick skinned water of a ducks back... someones evil maligant words can crush you and it takes only the 'aloof not bothered at all' narc to say that words dont cant hurt you...
Dec 3 - 6PM
I don t get it ...
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Words

Imabloke: I could not agree more - words are the worst. I was married to a physically abusive physician many years ago The bruises and bones healed, the words never left me. This is not to say that the physical abuse was acceptable, only that those wounds healed. Then, many years later I met the N (that brought me to this forum) He was never physically abusive; but the words, at first they were loving and caring, then, they were ugly, mean, and for some reason I cannot get them, the good ones, or the bad ones out of my head. I know exactly what you mean. I am new here, and at the very beginning of the healing process, I welcome your comments.
Dec 3 - 5PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Imabloke

We haven't met..or communicated, I wanted to say hello. I also wanted to say that I might not respond to some of your posts for a while because of what I am going through? While I know you are a victim...for me...the trauma is also tied up with men? I commend you for being able to approach the enemy...you are a lot better off in some respect than I am...for you have not lumped the entire female gender as "the enemy" In time, I hope I get past this...I would like to see you as a person but right now you are a man... Does that make sense? It's MY trust issue - I am sure you are a very decent man. I wish there were better words I could offer to give comfort, I really do but your gender right now is triggering me. But you can't help that...LOL - it's me... These ladies here though are pro's...and I do wish you well with your recovery. All the best...
Dec 3 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
Briseis
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I've been mindfucked by men

I've been mindfucked by men AND women and have no problem admitting the "triggers" have nothing to do with what goes between yer legs :D Our triggers are OURS to own and manage, never the responsibility of an innocent, unrelated person to even know about, IMHO. I love ya Michelle. Don't want to make a big deal out of this, it isn't a big deal. But it might sting a little for me to say it, so I apologize in advance if you feel hurt. You can yell at me on FB if ya want lol :D so we don't hijack Mr Bloke's post :)
Dec 3 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
michele115 (not verified)
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No...I don't feel hurt

The thing is you know I always have something to say and I feel guilty for not responding to Imabloke's posts... So I'm explaining that I'm avoiding not because of HIM but because of ME and where I'm at and that at some point I hope to be able to I just can't right now. It's my crap so to speak...
Dec 3 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
Briseis
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I just sensed Bloke was

I just sensed Bloke was feeling pretty bad in his original post, yanno. Getting triggered is always beyond our control, and there's no blame in being triggered. I just sensed your explanation was a bit "heavy" considering where he was coming from, that's all :)
Dec 3 - 8PM (Reply to #9)
michele115 (not verified)
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Brie AND Bloke

And you know what, that is a valid point, it may have been heavy, but the intent was not to assault him, just the opposite, to explain WHY I am avoiding him... To explain that it is not him, but me... That I have an issue, not him... You know I'm the trigger queen lately... Sometimes I find myself bumping a lot of things...because I can't deal. I cognitively know IMABLOKE didn't hurt me... But right now, seriously, and this is not his fault, but I am not comfortable around men...and that is my crap to work out but at the same time, I'm trying to let him know it is not personal. It's not personal Imabloke...it's me... I'm not going to run off the board because a "man" is here, nor should he run off the board cause right now I have man trigger issues...LMAO It's what I'm going through and I think being honest is the best way to handle things. At some point and I hope soon, I will come out of this shell... But remember we are all at different stages. What if Imabloke asks me a question? How do I handle it? Do I ignore it? That's rude... So I'm giving the heads up and explaining. I did this with my son too - told him straight out..."Mommie is not home right now"...as in "Not all there" Mommie will return shortly and will resume "regularly scheduled programming" I think that is a better approach to let people know where your messedupedness is, so at least they know than to lash out of nowhere. Especially when they are INNOCENT and have nothing to do with your "issues" So, Imabloke...I'm not home right now, but I'll be back soon. Hugs...
Dec 4 - 2AM (Reply to #10)
imabloke
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Errr i don't have a problem with this...

Emotionally i'm in the same boat as everyone else here.. i have seen a few other men support groups... but I feel the empathy here more than anywhere else - maybe it's the pink background LOL. It doesn't matter who you are it's how you 'feel'.. and i don't feel to good at the moment.. My ex really fucked me up.. I'm not a robot. But i do understand that i'm a man and you girls have had to put up with a lot of crap from men.. When i first emailed Lisa to be in this site i knew i was taking a gamble.. i'm a bloke - but when she replied with her kind words ...i melted.. at last, someone out there understood! - and it was a woman. When i was a kid from a single parent family i was the only one of 2 other kids from single parents in the school. The female teachers were very kind to me (one in particular) they were mostly female. My big sister always looked after me.. she even protected me from my bullying older brother who, on one occasion, had me by the neck up against the wall threatening to kill me (i was 9).. she listened to me, helped me with my homework and sent me valentines cards pretending to be would be girl friends. She loves me very much and i love her. She very ill at the moment and has been for a long time which is another story. I've always felt i could trust women/girls.. more than i could trust men.. It was always bigger boys who bullied me. But i know the feeling when its going to happen... when the abuse is going to start.. so when i see her (my ex) i get that shitty feeling inside. When we had a woman prime minister i was overjoyed. I've always felt i could to talk to women, my therapists (both of them) were women. I like to think that i treat others how i would expect to be treated. I just want to be understood, i want to feel wanted and i want to feel valued.. just like any human being on the planet. Is that too much to ask?
Dec 4 - 10AM (Reply to #13)
blueeyes
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Bloke...

You remind me of a certain fellow that I have been trying to encourage to join us. He has been unable to date anyone since his fiance married his best friend...This was YEARS ago. He is still the same funny, cute, and strong man but as far as love, he doesn't want it. He talked about this issue with me twice and never again. He is not wallowing in the sorrow at all. I just want more for him as he will turn 41 in January. He mentioned wanting a partner a few times. He and I play music together. I adore him, but I hate to see him ruined by someone that he was with in his late 20's, ya know? I'm happy your finding solace. These people really F us up, huh?
Dec 5 - 4AM (Reply to #14)
imabloke
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blueeyes ...

Thanks for your kind words.. But i believe its all about 'knowing thyself..' ya know.. (which is something they'll never do). I'm on my own.. but i am happy, could be happier, i have bad days, i'm better today than yesterday. Will i find love again? will it find me?.. the thing is emotion is a state of being. A girl i know, very attractive, late 20's. I asked her why aren't you with someone?.. her reply 'i like it this way'.. i have great respect for that. She has found happiness from within. This hasn't put me off women... but i wont be fucked about again... and no real woman wants a doormat.
Dec 6 - 8AM (Reply to #15)
blueeyes
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Bloke...

I want my friend to join, but he won't. Unlike yourself, he fears to get personal, especially with woman. Your posts have inspired me to reach out to him a lot lately. :( I think he could also, know thy self. He acts happy and he is VERY funny, but he will not give anyone a chance ever again. He is not willing to trust again :( I'm sad for him but I know better than to approch any topic of him dating, that's his choice. Happiness within is something he neeeds. He plays guitar and loves to joke around so he seems happy. I think he is searching for the answers I recieved on this site but I won't talk to him about it, unless he asks. I don't want to push him into anything. You said "This hasn't put me off women... but i wont be fucked about again... and no real woman wants a doormat" - THIS is what I wish for him. Make sense?
Dec 6 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
imabloke
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Yes it does...

makes sense... reading the posts on this site has helped me get a better understanding of people, emotions and myself. With what i said earlier re: trusting women.. i mean, i do still trust people in general, but when it comes to getting on a deeper level i still trust women and i know i have a great deal to offer... I'm very passionate, romantic, giving etc.. but it has to be reciprocal.. i think everyone on this site would agree with me... the last relationship with my now ex.. i sold my soul into that one... because i didn't know where to place the boundaries.. and she doesn't have any boundaries. These types, are just take, take, take and more take, as time goes by... As for your guy, keep friends with him, and who knows. Life is just a mixture of good luck and bad luck.. its what we do with the opportunities (good or bad) when they are presented to us... i think i'll post that one up as another quote for the day ;)
Dec 6 - 5PM (Reply to #17)
Susan32
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Male victims of Ns/Ps

In some ways, I think male victims of Ns/Ps suffer MORE because they're expected to be strong, stoic, that a man certainly can't be a victim. It's something society doesn't understand. I think it's one of the reasons why the male victims in the clergy sex abuse cases waited for decades before putting it out in the open. They felt profoundly ashamed. They had been used and abused by other males. An unbearable amount of shame. They were forced to bottle it up, repress it. Male victims of female Ns/Ps are left in the lurch. Societally, we don't tend to think of men as victims of wrongdoing.
Dec 4 - 9AM (Reply to #11)
MovinOnUp
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No

No, it is not too much to ask and I'm glad you found us, I'mabloke. The thing about the sicks and stones thing is -- the actual fable reads "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." Those are the words I remember, and they sunk in deep. I actually came to believe I should be able to deflect them with my magic armour. That words should never be able to take a toll on me, and if they did I was weak. What a load of crock I swallowed.
Dec 5 - 4AM (Reply to #12)
imabloke
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MovinOnUp...

I'm glad i'm here, this site and all you guys... have helped me loads... why Because you're all HONEST, no matter what, your kind, you listen (or read). And you care.. hmmmm i think its called FEELING EMPATHY... not showing empathy, any fart can do that.. but to feel it, makes us human, it makes us what we are, REAL!
Dec 3 - 5PM
Susan32
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Bullying from an authority figure

I was in a Narc workplace for 5 years (from '03 to '08)... I had to deal with CONSTANT bullying. It was PTSD, because I was getting bullied by authority figures... just like I had been with the ex-Psych professor. Sad to say, my ex-Narc boss looks angelic compared to the ex-Psych professor. Because the former boss had some human qualities- such as liking music and having hobbies. With the ex-P, it was constant bullying within the context of a teacher/student relationship. It never got physical (as in sexual intimacy, or physical violence)--but I was the one who was always blamed for inappropriate behavior, crossing the line. When I tried to make a dignified closure, congratulating him on his engagement and I was heading off to graduation--all I did was get raged at for "imposition" and "violation." During the final D&D, the ex-P would look at me with his cold eyes while he reduced me to tears... in front of his colleagues and my classmates. He'd be bullying me to tears, and perversely, I was the one apologizing. Ns/Ps are control freaks in intimate relationships. The ex-P took advantage of the fact that he had control as an authority figure. Sheesh, I hope the narcissistic college kids these days have given him a big dose of his own medicine, too busy playing with their iPods to listen to his lectures, to hear him droning about "war and war and war and war".... may they be too busy with their FB to give him ANY NS!!!!
Dec 3 - 5PM
desprathousewife
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You ARE confronting a bully

Narcisissts ARE bullies, imabloke that is one of the first things I came up with when I googled domestic abuse and narcisissm. These guys are bullies, abusers and worse. You are wrong, you ARE good enough, it's SHE who isn't good enough! She may have been everything you ever wanted (she was FAKE), she was an imposter who wanted to win you over for her own ends. You and the rest of us fell for the act and are here paying the price for our gulibility. You let her carry on cos you SO wanted her to be THE ONE! http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/npd.htm this website opened my eyes re bullying, I hope it is of some use to you too :)
Dec 3 - 5PM
Briseis
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((((((Bloke))))))) I was

((((((Bloke))))))) I was bullied too. Kids could to terrible things to me and I would not hit back or get nasty. I even had one bully beg me in front of the whole fifth grade (the teacher had stepped out) to "hit me back, go ahead." I COULDN'T. Not because I was afraid to, I really wanted to rip her head off. I just can't hit people on purpose. I did get into a little girl slap fest in the seventh grade, but that was unusual. Those "lovely" memories came back en masse after the Narc. I would have worded them differently before the Narc. Now when I remember them, I think about them from a more powerful place. I just was NOT a mean or cruel or bullying PERSON. And they were. And what I know now about the psychological underpinnings of bullies and bullying, I feel contempt and pity, not fear. If someone tries to bully me NOW they don't get far. I work with a few bully types. They DON'T bully me. And I am still not even slightly "scary". I look like someone's pushing-middle-age-slightly-overweight-greying MOTHER (besides being five feet tall). About as scary as it gets :D . Even nasty family members of my patients don't get too far with me. And I don't say a WORD. It's because their words do NOT hurt. No one's words hurt me anymore, not in a long term, deep way. I hate it when I'm disliked. I hate being pegged negatively. Just like the next person. But I don't BELIEVE them. I'll try on their negativity for size. But I am the final decision maker for who I am. And bully types do not know what to do with that. In my experience, while I watch OTHER people get bullied, they leave me out of it. Sounds like I work in a nest of vipers, but I think it's just normal for nursing :P Bloke, give yourself permission to be who you are. That bitch can't find her ass with both hands and a flashlight. What she said to you, what any bully says to you is just bullshit. They aren't your MIRROR. YOU are. The people who are good to you? Look in THEIR mirrors. The people who treat you like shit? Smash em. They are just wrong. Simple as that.
Dec 3 - 5PM
Susan32
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Michael Pritchard

Michael Pritchard is an anti-bullying counselor based out of San Rafael. He tours the country. He's given talks all over the country. He told the story of how he wrote a mean poem to a plump girl in high school, mocking her fatness. Years later, when he was in the hospital... she was his nurse, and she pinned that nasty poem onto his prescription sheet. I remember being floored when I heard about all the nasty things the ex-Psych professor was saying behind my back. He said nasty things to my face, but he saved the worst for his colleagues (who couldn't stand him) and his circle of young male disciples (who worshipped him) He was FURIOUS if I talked about how he treated me to other people. He forbade me from doing it... so I was very hesitant to talk about it with anyone. He was a teacher;I was a student. In high school, I remember being the one who was punished when I retaliated against a bully. She was a blonde bimbo. Her boyfriend stole my wallet from my locker;once, I was minding my own business and she followed me all over campus, yelling obscenities at me. She CLAIMED I had bothered her during a phone call (I hadn't) So, I spread a rumor about her making out with the fat, nasty janitor, who was missing teeth. I told her friends first. They ate it up. I refused to apologize to her. Even when she got me into the vice principal's office to apologize to her, I didn't. She had bullied me; I was NOT going to give her that satisfaction. Instead, I said in a condescending voice, "I was teaching you a lesson." She never heard "I'm sorry I trashed your reputation." She was a bully. Since she didn't apologize for how she mistreated me, she didn't deserve my apology.