The D& D function

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#1 Jun 21 - 5PM
AnotherPath
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The D& D function

I just answered a post about D&D and feel it's such an important function of the narcissist that it needs it's own topic and should never be underestimated. The D&D is a huge part of being with a narc. Why? Narcs need control, they need you to feel worthless as a projection so they don't have to feel it in themselves. They suppress their worthlessness and pin it on you. With the first D&D you can't believe what's just happened, the man you loved did this! so how do you feel? pretty awful and want to get things back to how they were. This is the purpose, you start working harder to get things back to how they were at the beginning, in the process you loose part of yourself, you compromise your being, playing right into his hands. The more D&D the more we cling and fear the loss of him, we get obsessed with making it right, our brains get hollowed out and filled with his thoughts, actions and world view. We don't function as us but through him. We start to feel worthless and needy, this is his intent. Why? so he can manipulate and abuse more. The more D&D the more we spiral down, into his world. Once he has us where he can do anything he wants and we are still there, his hatred enters. He hates us for being weak, the weakness he won't allow himself to feel so projects this onto us. This is when it becomes really dangerous for now when he has us where he wants he can then turn physically violent knowing we can't leave because there's nothing left of us.

When people say leave don't look back or be glad he has met someone else it's because the spiral down has not bottom pit. You're in danger zone at this point for your life.

Jun 22 - 9PM
Introspection
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Good post anotherpath...

Your analysis is highly rational, thank you for sharing!!!
Jun 22 - 8PM
Susan32
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The silver lining

My ex-P D&D'd me for the OW... a curator who was financially independent (and probably made more $$$ than him),a woman independent enough to keep her maiden name after marriage. At the time, it was painful. Even a year later, when I read that they had tied the knot and had kids, I felt nauseous. The D&D was humiliating, depressing, it drove me into a dark place. But now I realize it was a blessing in disguise. In some perverse way, did he care about me to NOT marry me? Was it some sort of way of protecting me from a living H*ll that would've been marriage and parenthood with him? In a sense, I was spared. Scarred, but spared. As a friend of mine said, "You're just a student. He treated you badly. What makes you think he'll treat his girlfriend any better?" Like any NORMAL person, I thought he had chosen the OW because she was superior to me. She was independent, mature, etc. My ex-P had told me a chilling story of how his lack of emotions terrified his parents, so much so that they took him to Worcester State Hospital as a child. I believe it's true. He was a very sick man, and thanks to the D&D, I'm glad I'm not married to him, nor am I the mother to his children. It would've been a nightmare. Marriage and parenthood wouldn't have cured his mental illness.
Jun 22 - 6PM
Leah2
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Anotherpath, Scoop, Foolmeonce, Betty2020...

...thank you for your strength. I downloaded the book, and am reading it non-stop. It really does help understand. I guess where I am stuck is that I just did not see it. Like so many of you, he was a dream come true...the most empathetic person ever. Then he was completely without emotion to me at least (he continues, I am sure, to be an angel to everyone else and no one, just no one, could believe that he would do this; really does make us look crazy, huh?). You are all so right--we did not cause this. They are who they are. I suppose that "acceptance" means realising that they were never anything but an illusion, a fake, and therefore there is nothing to "want back". We did not lose anything but a "feeling". Thank you.
Jun 23 - 10AM (Reply to #10)
Lisa E. Scott
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Yes

Leah - yes, acceptance is realizing they were never anything but a fake and you do not want him back! Susan - You were spared, believe me, you are so much better off escaping marraige with this man!
Jun 23 - 10AM (Reply to #11)
Susan32
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Sometimes God says "NO"

I used to pray that one day I'd marry my ex-P... that didn't happen. God doesn't always answer our prayers the way we wish. Sometimes an unanswered prayer IS the answer.
Jun 23 - 10AM (Reply to #12)
Steph
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so true! I believe that very

so true! I believe that very much.
Jun 22 - 9AM
trying2overcome
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You are so Right!!

You are so right anotherpath! and Leah, God bless you I pray for us all and I will pray that you find the strength you need along with the rest of us!! I probably speak for everyone when I say that getting over the N is the hardest thing any of us have ever had to do. they really are good at manipulating and completely destroying our lives!! Its so twisted that a normal loving person can hardly wrap their brain around what they do .. I struggle with everyday. There is a finish line though .. the important thing is to STAY NC ... I work with mine so I can't. The first opportunity I have to get out I will!!! Take care .. xxoo
Jun 22 - 12AM
broken23
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this is so true, and i

this is so true, and i believe those of us that have had the unfortunate experience of going back again and again have realized how it works. but at first it can be so confusing. the first time i got D&D, he lashed out at me, he was so mean and said the most awful things about me. attacking everything from my character, to my looks, to my personality. It hurt so bad i was numb for two whole days...and i was also angry. I called back and let him have a piece of my mind. I never understood why he had to say such awful things. But i do know the second time it happened i knew it wasnt about me at all. At one point i even called him out on the crap he was saying and he not knowingly admitted it made him feel better about himself. Now i realize it was such a projection of his own emotions and shortcomings.
Jun 21 - 6PM
Leah2
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AnotherPath--how do we accept being D&D'd?

...thank you for this point on D&D. I am struggling, really struggling right now, to accept that this happened. It is like part of my brain is in a fog, and does not remember being married to my ex at all, but is also painfully conscious of a huge hole in my heart and a sense of confusion about whether I am actually HERE. Feels like I am going through the motions of life and as if I am not sure that I actually exist. Do not worry, I am not seeing things or hearing voices, but I feel like half the person I was before all of this happened. It has been four months since he announced the divorce, 6 months since he asked for space, but about a year since he started distancing himself from me. I went through a stage of begging him to explain what was wrong, and he never did. He simply said nothing. But that was the start of the D&D in my mind. He ignored my need to understand why he was pulling away. He started talking about what HE would do in the future, and stopped saying WE. I definitely spiraled into a strange space where I was walking on eggshells to make things right without even understanding what was wrong. I did change myself--becoming meek, losing the independent, strong streak that I have always had and he always complimented me for. And the thing is that he never raised his voice, never shouted, was never an obvious a*hole, so I could not put the blame on him. I assumed that I was at fault. Today I am in a bad place. I am crying non stop. This happens once or twice a week now, which is far less than before. But I feel truly worthless. Like life has no meaning and like I will never ever be as happy as I was with him. Like I will never have someone who "loves me" like he did, or cares for me like he said he did. They really mess you up, and right now I sit with tears streaming down my face not understanding anything. I sometimes break NC and call him, begging on his voicemail for him to explain how he could just walk away. But I have now managed 10 days without NC, since he has threatened me by email never to call him again, and I am scared that he will file a restraining order against me! For what, I do not know, but I do know that it does not help to beg someone to whom you do not matter at all. The last email I got from him (in response to my voice message, since he has not called once or answered the phone for 4 months since he sent divorce papers, despite knowing that I had a miscarriage, despite knowing that I was crumbling!) was a week ago, saying that he did not think I was a bad person and did not hate me (note that he did not use a single positive word, just denied the negative, which suggests that I actually MIGHT be a bad person and that while he does not hate me, he does not love me either). I so want to be thankful that this happened now, after 5 and not 15 or 25 years. Before we had children, and not after. But all I can think of is how much I miss who I thought he was. How lonely I am, and hoe deeply worthless I feel because I could not make him happy. I do not think that I need medicine for the depression (have been divorced, moved countries, left the home that I built and changed jobs all in the space of 3 months, so I don't expect t be running around happy), but I do need to find a way to sleep. Right now, I can barely manage 2 hours a night and am exhausted, which is not helping me feel strong at all.
Jun 22 - 12PM (Reply to #6)
AnotherPath
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Leah

4 months is not long, don't expect to be feeling better by this point, from my own experience I had a bit of a 6 month turnaround, I remember feeling quite good for a couple of hours, then this turned into a whole afternoon and I started to feel a lot better after about 18 months. God I hated the lack of sleep, well, I hated the whole devastating process of the aftermath. I tried a few things, don't know if they'll help. I got completely obsessed with reading everything I could get my hands on about narcs, abuse, psycho's etc, this lasted over 2 years. I was able to put the blame back on him for his behaviour and he lost his power as I now knew what he was. I took a lot of hot baths with candles and relaxation music before I went to bed. I wrote in a journal. I got drunk for the first 3 months every night on my own, wouldn't recommend that one but I realised I had to stop that. At some point you'll start seeing him for what he is, broken and nasty and an utter liar. You will get better, it does happen, it is a good thing you don't have children with him, you can really sever it . His life with not be a good one, yours can be now he's out of it.

Ending the dance

Jun 22 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
Scoop
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Leah

The key to healing , the only way to heal from theses men is to really understand that they are abnornal . Their brains are diffrent from ours , they are mentaly ill . Please read woman who love psycopaths , you can download it and read it straight away . There is a whole big bit in it about studys Drs have done on their brains and how in caese people with low consience have enlarged parts or smaller parts to their brain that deals with emotion .You have to stop blaming yourself that you did anything to cause his terrible treatment of you .No matter how he blamed you or shamed you . The fact is he was born diffrent . You wouldnt expect a person with Down Syndrome to become a doctor and you cant expect a psycopath to have a consience , its missing , it doesnt exsist and never did exsist . He faked it . Right take my narc , when i met him i thought he was the most empathtic man i had ever met but by the end he was the most unempathtic man i had ever met , he could not be both right he was one or the other , one of the opposing qualitys was a lie and guess which one . He faked empathy , like most actors he over acted it he had to because he had NONE. Im heading for 4 months no contact but i have known what he was for a year , i thought i could handle him ! WRONG . I would say you are out of the werst now , its up hill from now on . And moving home is stressfull i have just done it , it did add to the pain . Get the book , it has turned so many women around , so many ah ha moments in it . Big Love to you Scoop x
Jun 21 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
foolmeonce
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Leah- you will feel better again

I think so many women on this board underestimate the damage that has been done to them. Getting over a narc takes an extremely long time and we cannot wish away the feelings of despair. Over time it gets better, very very slowly. We didn't lose ourselves overnight and we certainly cannot expect to get ourselves back that quickly either. I was first D&D'd four years ago this month. The relationship lingered on and on and on for years. It was only when I quit my job in November last year and started struggling financially when it really hit home he did not care at all about me - that everything was a lie. Before I quit, we spoke and he promised he would help me. He never has. In January I cut him out of my life for good. I allowed him access to me over the past three years because I really did love him at one time and I thought he would always be there for me. When it finally hit home what a bastard he was, I have never looked back. I had a lot of dreams die, but I am recovering. My life is so much better today. For three and a half years, all I did was work and go home. My happiness came from the few phone calls or texts I got from him. I didn't go out with friends and I didn't enjoy my daughter. Now I can honestly say, I have me back again. I have a long way to go financially - but that's only money. For the last six months, I have spent a lot of time with my daughter, I have exercised and have gotten in fabulous shape. The lines and permanent frown on my face are gone and I look better than I have in years. My biggest regret is losing all that time. But everyone needs to grieve in their own way. I guess I needed to become a recluse to heal myself and it finally happened. I don't miss him at all. Even the good times were fake. I wasn't the person I really am when I was with him - I too was a fake, I went along with all his sick perverted games. I was selfish, I cared about no one other than him and since extracting him from my life, I have once again become a kind and compassionate person. I don't think I loved myself when I was with him - how could I - I don't even know who I was then. I love myself again and I will never ever ever allow anyone to treat me the way he did. There will come a day when you will sleep through the nite and your dreams will not be littered with thoughts of him - and you will wake up and be happy that you have another day of life to enjoy.
Jun 21 - 11PM (Reply to #3)
betty2020
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I agree that we should never

I agree that we should never underestimate the damage that has been done to us. The scars are deep and take much time to heal. Lots of therapy, lots of education, lots of support, many times medication and of course just time itself. I feel for you and can identify with where you are at. There will be good moments and bad. They will fluctuate consistently and within seconds of each other. As you continue NC, therapy, support ect..Deprogramming will take shape. This takes time and much effort on our parts. It is such a confusing time in your life right now. You need to know that all of your thoughts are normal given the trauma you have experienced. There are no crazy thoughts! You are not at fault or responsible for what has happened to you. I am not fond of playing the victim role but in the case of NPD we are purely victims. This by no means is a licenses to pity ourselves mind you. This is where we have to come to terms with reality or acceptance of the truth. This is/was very hard for me. I spend hours on this board reading others story's and post to draw this conclusion. This was were i could finally find those i could identify with. So if i could only tell you two things right now i would say. 1. Its ok to cry and all your thoughts and emotions are valid 2. This is not your fault and you are not the bad person. It is the other way around. xoxoxox

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Jun 22 - 1AM (Reply to #4)
Janet
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Great topic Anotherpath and

Great topic Anotherpath and all of the other posts as well. Thanks all! Peace. J

Peace. J