Paranoia?

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#1 Sep 8 - 2PM
dazedandcnonfused
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Paranoia?

I feel anxious sometimes when I read others posts and worry that we are talking about the same guy.

I also worry about him finding out that I am posting on this site.

Perhaps I really am crazy???

I also find myself more so the last couple days questioning if he really is a narc. I am wondering if I am the narc with needing so much attention and not letting go?

Random thoughts this morning. BTW at 4 weeks of the silent treatment and it is not getting easier!

Sep 9 - 11AM
needing2know
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You know what, even if they

You know what, even if they were not Narc./BPD/control freaks whatever you want to call them. THEY ARE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD!!!! Something is very very wrong, we all know that we are loving, caring , compassionate people here and these guys are idiots, jerks, dumb asses and so forth. As long as we can and do believe in ourselves we will be ok and we will win this battle! they will be lonely old men or women with nothing but there own sadness and emptiness!
Sep 9 - 12PM (Reply to #24)
dazedandcnonfused
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Yes!

You are correct. It really doesnt matter if he is or isnt a narc. In reality he has me questioning my sanity. He treats me like crap. It isnt "normal behaviour". I wouldnt be on this site everyday looking for answers if there wasnt an issue with the way he treats me.
Sep 9 - 6AM
Sea
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Convert his ST to NC. Mine

Convert his ST to NC. Mine gave me ST and i just keep going on with NC. By doing that i felt that i took back the control. I am incharge of myself not dependent on his responses. Infact, his response has no relevance. As for whether we are ref to same N? Very unlikely. It is estimated that 1% of population are N. Looking at the number of posters here the number of victims looks proportionate. I live in a different time zone from most of u. My N sounds similar to most N here as well. They are quite robotic regardless race nationality age etc. As for finding us posting here. So what? No N are publicly named on this forum. Sue you for defamation? No chance. Most N are so arrogant like my exN that they would rather die than come to a site like this. They do no wrong. Unless yours is a stalker P. They wont be bothered about where u posting. Your N sounds like mine exN - loves ST. Arrogant! Probably busy chasing new NS. Ignore him. We focus on our healing. Hugs Sumiko
Sep 9 - 11AM (Reply to #22)
dazedandcnonfused
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I agree, my ex would NEVER

I agree, my ex would NEVER even consider that he is the one with the problem. It is all my problem. My problem alone! What I could never and still after all of my reading on the disorder is how does the silent treatment give them control? I always think of control as wanting to control someone and what they do. When you are giving the silent treatment he has no way of knowing what I am doing etc.
Sep 8 - 5PM
Layla
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We don't share the same narc.........

I don't have to sit around and second guess my abuser...I KNOW he's fuked up! LOL! I agree with the Mod's and other ladies...NC...you must go no contact with this guy or it will NOT get better for you!!!
Sep 8 - 4PM
Hunter
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OMG!

You need to stop!! Delete every singal way to contact him! Put the damn computer in the closet! I'm telling you ,you are becoming the stalker! If this was your child behaving like this what would you do? Allow it? I think not! He's is so cruel, with the silent treatment, you are really giving him a nice supply!! Why are you lowering yourself to this scumbags level ?? The more you go the crazier you will drive yourself!! Hunter
Sep 8 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
dazedandcnonfused
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Hunter!

Yeah, I do need to STOP!!! you are completely right. I need to come to the realization that I made bad mistakes. I need to realize that I cant be friends with him. I'm not sure why he keeps doing this to me. Pulling me in and then completely cutting off communication with me. I know that he is having major surgery this month and he knows that I am freaked about it. He also knows how much I care about him. It sucks that he does this to me. I wouldnt categorize myself as a stalker (yet)... But I am still in the state of disbelief that he really doesnt want to talk to me again. I DO NEED TO STOP THOUGH!!! I have a great life and I dont need his energy or attention to be happy! I just need to come to terms with the fact that he doesnt want me in his life anymore and this hurst so FREAKIN' bad!!! So once I can keep with my affirmations of acceptance, peace and forgiveness all within myself I will stop the obsession! I guess I want the validation that it wasnt for nothing.
Sep 9 - 8AM (Reply to #15)
Hunter
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He is disordered that your

He is disordered that your only answer your only closure, Why does he do this? His a SOB with no soul. What he is dishing you is ABUSE! You need to get control, yes it hurts but you need to just do it. lets go for 5 days. as far as his surgery He may be lying. Hunter
Sep 9 - 11AM (Reply to #16)
dazedandcnonfused
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Again Hunter:)

Yes!!! You may be right about this surgery because he originally told me this surgery was happening in July and then in Aug and now Sept. So who the heck knows. I think because of my occupation and knowing the severity if he does have surgery it worries me. I hit a milestone last night! Deleted, DELETED and DELETED... It feels different now for some reason and I think it feels done. Perhaps this week I moved to some sort of closure within myself. A lot of this has to do with forgiving myself. I do believe when I forgive myself I will be able to let go and not look back. I feel horrible that I allowed myself to get pulled into this. Unfortunately this closure came with a final text from me. I told him the things I wanted to say. I wished him good luck with the surgery. And told him goodbye. I know you would say he doesnt deserve this and that again I am giving him great supply for his overinflated ego. BUT in my defense. The final text was for me and my healing. I will now feel stupid if I contact him because I sent this final goodbye....and that will help me with staying NC. Does that make sense? It did to me:) So from today on...NC>>>and DELETE!
Sep 9 - 11AM (Reply to #17)
Hunter
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Good Job! I wrote a letter

Good Job! I wrote a letter too, it was before I knew the deal! I got a response , " your email scared me" It basically said I was led to believe you loved me and you tossed me to the curb! Self absorbed SOB! Hunter
Sep 9 - 11AM (Reply to #18)
dazedandcnonfused
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I felt crappy writing it

I kept thinking I shouldnt give him anymore attention. When I text him he knows that I am not over him. But then realized if I back myself in a corner and write a goodbye text I will stop!!! I was nervous to post that I sent the final text because I dont want you all to think I am a crazy stalker mad woman! But like I said the text was for my closure not for him...I thought about not sending it. But like I said I can now not text him because I will feel like an idiot with no validation of keeping my word with the final goodbye. :) NEW DAY!!! And yes 5 days with no snooping, texting or emailing! I promise!
Sep 9 - 12PM (Reply to #19)
dazedandcnonfused
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Oh and Hunter, Thanks for

Oh and Hunter, Thanks for sharing that you also wrote him an email. Makes me feel less psychotic:) This is getting better. I dont know the last week was the hardest one out of the last year and a half. But something clicked last night. It really did...or so I hope it did. And I am finally moving forward.
Sep 8 - 4PM
dazedandcnonfused
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The more I read about the

The more I read about the disorder the more I question if he really is a narc. The more I question my sanity. Perhaps I am just a heartbroken person that should have known better than to allow him back into my life.
Sep 8 - 5PM (Reply to #9)
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I question it too Dazed

I question it too Dazed. Mine never raised his voice and always paid for dinner, lunch, etc. I ask myself if I am the one that drove him to his lies. I then remember that I was not jealous until I caught him in his lies. He told me that I was smothering him wanting to know where he was every minute. Does this mean I am an Narc, or is it that I wanted to know where he was every minute because I didn't trust him???
Sep 9 - 8AM (Reply to #12)
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For us "normals" - once we

For us "normals" - once we realize that we've been lied to by someone we thought was trustworthy, that's when the suspicion starts. Once the suspicion settles in, is when we start to do things that don't seem quite so normal... checking up, trying to find out what ELSE he's lied about. I found myself being a little bit "stalker-y" - and I've never done that kind of thing before, because I've never been involved with a Narc before. I think the cog/dis that comes after a betrayal of trust can make even the most normal among us behave like a big ol' box of froot loops.
Sep 8 - 11PM (Reply to #10)
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It's like a cycle we go

It's like a cycle we go through. When I first met mine I was independent, didn't need anybody and basically said I wasn't sure if I wanted a relationship. Within a month he had me hooked and I was giddy as a schoolgirl. Once he started pulling away, I started getting insecure and obsessing and became clingy. I felt like such a loser and he preyed upon this telling me, what are you worried about, stop obsessing about everything, it's all fine, you're too paranoid, etc. I began to blame myself. I'm the one messing up the relationship because I have lost focus on what normal is. I need to learn to pull back more and relax. How can one relax though when the signs are all there of the push and pull, the silent treatment, the arguments over nothing. It was draining mentally, physically and emotionally. We broke up because I couldn't take it anymore. Round two: Back together again. This time I will be more normal. Be less needy. Not want to talk to him every day on the phone. Stop complaining if he doesn't call me back when he says he's going to. Put up with him being late. Stop rocking the boat. He pulled away again. Same needy clingy cycle came back. I'd be stressed out all day if I didn't hear from him. In the beginning he'd call ten times a day. Everytime he got in his car to go somewhere. When he was on his way to work, when he got home. When we went to bed. Then down to one or two short conversations a day or none. Why didn't you call me? I was too busy. Yeah right. We broke up. Round three: Within two weeks he was pulling away. I knew something was off. Confronted him. I'm paranoid. It's all okay. Back nice again. Next week, pulled away again. I tell him we don't have to be together. If he has something to tell me be honest. If he lies and I find out, I walk. He lies. I find out. I walk. Round four: Now I really am more able to control my emotions and acting more like a normal partner. If he doesn't call, I don't freak. I'm getting on with my life. It's going good. Goes good for a while. Niggly voice though. I'm recognizing I'm compromising too much. I putting up with crap that I should be questioning. I'm not rocking the boat as I should demanding my needs be met. I'm still not my own person. There was a very serious D&D when I was in the ER that I actually let go. I ended up being fine, but we didn't know that at the time and he treated me horribly in there. He wasn't even going to come because he'd just settled down for dinner with his friend and he was tired from getting up so early. I amazingly, let it go. What a nutjob I was! The message it sent to me though could not be taken back. I was worth nothing to him. Nothing. One week later another D&D and I said that's it. I'm done. And, I meant it that time. Coming up on five months no contact and I don't lay awake thinking about him anymore. I don't regret my decision. I would rather make myself happy than put up with that ever again. He doesn't even deserve to be my friend. So, all that to answer your question in short: It doesn't matter what you do. Stop blaming yourself.
Sep 9 - 6AM (Reply to #11)
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Sounds so familiar

Sounds so familiar. I too, told him I couldn't have a relationship, the many calls dwindling down to few - then none. Oh my goodness. This is eye opening. Thanks for posting as I have been questioning and blaming myself so much lately. Congratulations on 5 month N free. I wish I could make it to 5 days.
Sep 8 - 3PM
dazedandcnonfused
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Unfortunately

So unfortuanately when I say silent treatment for 4 weeks that is exactly right. I cant seem to make it past 2-4 days without contacting him. I think Hunter does need to come tie me up and put me in a closet for a month... Or I should lose my cell phone and internet connection for awhile. I was almost at the end of day 3 yesterday and Stupidly texted him asking him to please talk to me. And what I received back was still more silence. Perhaps he is doing me a favor and I will detox off of him by having him not respond to me:(
Sep 8 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
Goldie
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I agree with Hunter

Texting anyone more than once who is not responding is just not a good idea. He is getting off on this, it is supply to him and who knows, he may even turn the table and say that you are bothering him. You sure don't need that on your plate right now. Do whatever it takes to stop. Delete all of the texts and information from your phone. He is just not worth your possible getting into trouble over this. The worst thing you can do with a narc is to contact them when they are giving you the ST, he takes that as he has complete control over you and it only makes them treat you 100 times worse if he ever does come back and I sure hope that he doesn't. Sounds a bit like you are not done yet and I would hate to see him come back and further abuse you. Be strong, you can do it. God bless, Goldie
Sep 8 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
dazedandcnonfused
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Goldie

You are right. I should not contact someone that is not contacting me back. That is always how it plays out the last year though. We are long distance. He goes silent and I desperately text and email him and then he comes back when he is ready like nothing ever happened. OR reminds me not to do whatever it is again or else he will stop talking to me. It is more like I am apologizing for things that I am not even sure what I am apologizing for. You are right if he does come back it will only be for more ego stroking. We were together so many years ago. And he is extremely sick, and I am so afraid of not knowing what is going on with him. He uses this to keep me baited as well. An example of this would be he would text me tell me he is so sick and heading to the ER. Then not respond to my texts for 2 days to give me an update. I would be frantic nervous and shaking because I think he died. Then to find out they sent him home that night. I dont know I guess i need to just let it go. If he dies and I dont know about it there is nothing I can do.It is out of my control.
Sep 8 - 3PM (Reply to #5)
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dazedandconfused

you will not detox from him like this....its like a recovering alcoholic sitting looking at a bottle of beer...or a recovering drug addict hanging out with dealers...it just torturing your self and pointless..
Sep 8 - 2PM
spinning
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Dazed, please know that

your paranoid feelings are normal. I had them as well. In fact the first time I posted here I ran back up to the office from home late at night to try to figure out if I could delete it thinking he would find out! That's how disordered I was becoming! It's part of the brainwashing. You must fight against it. Secondly, you think it might be the same guy we're all referring to because as Hunter would say "same guy, different body...Welcome to Narcville." They truly are all the same. So predictable it's almost boring. It would be totally boring if what they did wasn't so mind-boggling and devastating. Third: Sparrow is right on. HIM GIVING YOU THE SILENT TREATMENT IS DIFFERENT FROM YOU GOING NO CONTACT. Shift your way of thinking on this. His silent treatment is PREDICTABLE and NORMAL for a DISORDERED ONE. Who cares? YOUR NO CONTACT ON THE OTHER HAND IS FOR YOU AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHATEVER THE HELL HE'S DOING AND WHY. Like Sparrow says, if you are contacting him and he is not responding, you will not move forward. You will continue to be anxious and paranoid. If you are not contacting him and he is choosing to be silent, SO BE IT! THIS IS ALL ABOUT YOU. IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO BE NC! Please look at it that way! Who cares what the hell he's doing!!! I hope this helps and doesn't sound harsh. I say these things because I've been there. It's hard. It's tough. It's confusing and painful. But every minute of it was worth going through for the peace, happiness, joy and self-knowledge I have today at 10 months NC. Hang in there, sweetheart. It's all about YOU now and the feelings you are having now will get better the more NC time you have behind you. Most sincerely, (determined to never again be) spinning. BECAUSE THE SICK FREAK ISN'T WORTH THE ENERGY OR THE TIME!

spinning

Sep 8 - 2PM
Sparrow
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Hang in there. When you say 4

Hang in there. When you say 4 weeks of Silent Treatment, and not getting better, are you referring to NC? Are you contacting him and he is giving you the silent treatment? That would explain why you aren't feeling better, if that is the case. Read more about the disorder if you are doubting yourself. What does you gut tell you? The truth is sometimes the most difficult thing to accept. If you were a narc.......you would not be on this forum, struggling right now. You would be at the circus. Or working it. Doubt, unfortunately, comes with the territory. It is very common to experience. Hang in there my friend, it will get better. READ, READ, READ
Sep 8 - 2PM
Goldie
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Great job on 4 weeks NC

Honestly 4 weeks is a relatively short period to begin to feel better, you are still in new recovery and it just takes time. The mind plays trick during our NC, we often set the stage to let them back in by blaming ourselves, thinking they may not be a narc, thinking we may be the narc. This is an addiction and with any addiction there are withdrawal symptoms and part of the symptoms is to question the validity of your NC, so that you can talk yourself into going back to your drug. Keep reading and keep posting. Many many on here have gone through what you are describing and gone back for another round or two when they break the ST and it is always the same ole same. They don't change they cannot change and they do bring out the worst in us, this is what they like to do so they can blame us for their bad behaviors, so it is easy to begin to think that it is you when it is in fact them and more of the manipulation that they put into our heads. Be strong, stay NC. God bless, Goldie