A poll for Jaycee

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#1 Apr 3 - 11AM
Scoop
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A poll for Jaycee

I woundered if we could take a poll on here on how many of our narcs are being the model husbands or boyfriend for the OW .
Ill start mine had a relationship with a woman for 3 months after me and she left him ... i dont know the in and outs of it but i do know they where doing fine untill one night where she walked out and hasnt spoken to him since , the reports where she didnt leave her house for a month she was so upset . now i would say something went on that night and i can guess what , the mask came off and she had the first view at the uglyness and good for her she walked .
xx

Apr 4 - 5AM
agnesmurphy17
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He'll do it again

I met the woman who replaced me. Also, I met his first ex-wife. Both women were abused by him. In good times & bad, he said & did the same things. Used the same terms of endearment (you make me happier than any woman has ever in my life) & in abuse (you know all those words). When he was with my replacement he was writing love letters to me & to the woman he was with before he met me. Also, I have known people who knew the woman whom I replaced. That woman was also abused. And YOU N is already doing it again. His breakup, calling of the cops, criminal charges, dropping charges, & reconciliation with this other woman -- it's already the cycle of abuse. And, this New Woman may elect to stay iun this cycle of abuse for the rest of her life. Some do. They need N. And do anything they can to woo him back. And then it happens all over again. If you & NW & his mother allow it -- Your N may be bouncing between you, her & his mother until death do you, all or you of one of you, part!
Apr 4 - 2AM
jaycee
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thanks for all the awsome replies

i thank everyone for their reply, i helps a little to know that most of you see it from a different perspective, i am way too close to the situation, i am way to hurt and sick to my stomach to see the obvious. I do believe he used my behavior as an excuse to go back to her....i do believe she got smart to him, in the sense that she threatened to stop begging him and to start dating someone else...i dont know if she will continue being a chase for him, and i dont know at this point if he will ever d and d her again, as he might fear losing her.......what i do know for sure is no one is where they dont want to be......and obviously he wants to be there......and that hurts like hell.....i hope you are all right, and he does d and d her again, and continues to move on from one to the next, i would hate to see her get to have my husband, simply because she could afford him and i couldnt, sounds crazy i know but that part of the triangle kills me, eats me alive.....and who knows maybe he does love her and she is who he has always wanted her......who knows im not in his head, i do know one thing, i am so devastated with all that they have done.......maybe there is such a thing as karma and they will get theirs, who knows......

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 9PM
Arwen
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My ex N screwed me many times after marrying "his great love"

Oh yeah? JUST FOR YOU JAYCEE I'm going to come out and admit that I was still so in love with my ex-N that I let him have sex with me many times after he had married his so-called love of his life. He stopped having sex with year about six months into the relationship and I know this because he told me! You're totally off your rocker if you think he's going to ultimately treat her well. There are hundreds and hundreds of all ages of adoring women on his FB page. And yes, my ex-N is still with that woman, and I sometimes think oh he really loves he and I am unattractive and not smart enough and just not good enough for him or he would have been with me but Jaycee the truth is I LEFT HIM. Why don't more people here talk about that! Most of us have expressed that when it came down, we loved these men but at the same time could not stand so many things about them and we really were the ones that were always leaving...This woman he's with, me ex-N;s wife, she is just like him and she's an incredible narcissist who has wealthy parents who would come after him and kill him if he ever hit her. ME he would hit because I have no living father and he has no respect for my brothers. Jaycee - he is unhappy, so how could he ever be happy with anyone? Another person doesn't make us happy or whole or make us good or kind people...we either are good people or we aren't. You are lonely and that's what this is all about...look at your life and imagine you had never met him for one minute. Now, you'll see this is all about distracting your feeling and thoughts from the agonizing realities of your own life right now that are causing you to feel depressed. I know just how you feel...I have two little sons and I don't know if I can stay with my husband. The narc I was just with took me so much away from all this pain that I am in with my REAL situation, but I didn't really want to be with him the way he was. It was fantasy. Go talk to someone about what's really going on in your real life, not your fantasy of what your life could be with some disordered sicko who will never change.
Apr 3 - 5PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Oh Please!

Mine was fb flirting and even went all out trying to act like a hero to someone who said something lewd to one of the fb "hoes" he chats it up with. Another guy propositioned her online, very disrespetful and the narc jumped in on the convo acting all robin hood, mind you he's living with someone but he might as well been dating the fb hoochie too and she was just as coy eating up all the attention. I loved witnessing this one cause that guy who was rude and disrespectful...she's dating him!....Bhaahahaha... Look, they'd go after a four legged dog...it doesn't matter, they don't change...they are attention whores. Jesus, makes me sick thinking about them...such a waste of human tissue. Hugs!
Apr 3 - 4PM
Susan32
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They idealize

Ns/Ps idealize and/or demonize someone once the connection is severed. When the ex-Psych prof ping-ponged between his live-in girlfriend and I, he didn't bother idealizing her to me (I *DID* it for him, because I take the reins), but he acted as if I shouldn't even talk about her. He'd say "It shouldn't matter to you that I already have a girlfriend." He *KNEW* I had been in love with him for the past 4 years-so it mattered to ME- and therefore if it matters to ME-it must matter TO HIM whether he liked it or not-case closed. The ex-P eagerly agreed to being my presenter for my senior oral examination (thank goodness it wasn't the other kind)... so it meant he took my essay home with him. Or maybe it he kept it as a secret in his office. Don't know. I don't know if he mocked my essay with his girlfriend, or whether she was much a Narc him. Maybe she was cheering on his emotional abuse towards me. Maybe not. Maybe she was brainwashed like the rest of us. I DON'T KNOW. She idealized the ex-P as a philosopher, and I thought to myself "she can find out for herself, she's an adult." I didn't tell her how flaccid he got during philosophical discussions. Or that he saw philosophy as filler. I think Ns/Ps idealize and/or demonize once the connection is severed. In "War and Peace",Prince Andrei idealizes his dead wife Lisa, despite the fact he emotionally abused her when she was pregnant, and physically abandoned her. As soon as she's dead, he's extolling her to his pal Pierre. When Natasha ends their engagement because he abandons her to gallavant around Europe in a Rainbow Tour... he idealizes and demonizes her as his Lost Love. Ns/Ps idealize/demonize those who abandon them, or those they abandon. For the ex-Psych prof, admiration&hatred were the same thing. C'mon... I was the one who left him without even giving a goodbye. When the chips were down, I initiated the NC as soon as I met the girlfriend&the one who left without closure. I left him swinging in the wind. I wasn't his doormat... but his fears that I saw him merely as a diversion&didn't really love him got validated.
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #23)
dudette
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susan

you're a hero!!! I love the war and peace analogy BTW... I got away too, walked out on him, laughed at his face and told him not to phone, mail, contact me in any way. I only contacted him afterwards to tell him my husband knew about him, and to send him some office/meeting protocols....i.e professional boundaries stuff I have been NC for months now....I do talk to exwife but mainly as we support one another.... but she is not to tell him anything about me....and vice versa.... I got away, got away , got away, feels really good. not only that but he will NEVER have me back. not in a million years.... He can demonize me all of wants....
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #24)
Susan32
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The whole student body laughed at him...

His habit of running away like a coward got ridiculed in the senior skit's grand finale... in a crowded auditorium, and life imitated art, because he was sitting towards the front, had just finished a bottle of beer... and he got up&RAN OUT. In front of everyone. Showbiz talent. I have it. "He can demonize me all he wants"-Ns/Ps tend to disrespect MORE those who stay with them. Leo Tolstoy was a major Narc... and he treated his wife Sofia with immense disrespect, even to the end. Ns/Ps are twisted that way. If you stay with them longer, the more they disrespect you... if you ditch 'em, they might be worshipping/fearing/demonizing you like crazy. When I broke NC with the ex-P, I am betting he toddled back to his Mommy and Daddy (they LIVE WITH HIM)... trying to make sense of my word salad with "you're like a toddler, I'm happy, God bless you with personal&professional success." As for the Rainbow Tour, that's from Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Evita",when Eva Peron tours Europe.
Apr 4 - 3AM (Reply to #25)
dudette
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hmmm

might be why he is never, never talking bad about me.... He has a habit of slagging everyone off. but I have been spared so far ( or so I think LOL....) in fact he blamed his ex wife for poisoning my mind against him after she revealed the abuse etc.... Unlike other exes, I have never asked for closure. I just asked him for NC, installed some NC rules and told his XW that I never ever wanted to see him again nor hear the sound of his voice.... I was just SOOOOO angry..... The thing is, I tihnk he realises that his XW and I still see each other occacionally because his son will have seen me round the house... but since I am a taboo subject, she will not talk to him about me either.... Worshipped, demonized, idealized, whatever.... not going back there....
Apr 3 - 4PM
dudette
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back on topic

yeah mine is playing the perfect second time round "love of her life" to his first girlfriend right now.... The truth is, that he is a bit broke so he needs the cash.... to get the cash he needs the woman... he tried me ( even got me pregnant for Xst ' sake and I can assure you that it was NOT an accident) but I would not sell the house and make my son homeless to get him the cash( I am so heartless !).... Dev from him and Dis from me .... However, lured back into the first love of when she was 15 years old ( and discarded cruelly for the first time - he told me!!!), she is now in narc heaven, meeting his friends (all 3 of them...) and family and getting all smug and cosy in there.... having herself discarded her marriage of many years, 2 daughters, a perfectly good house, job, art endeavours.... I'm just waiting for the wedding day, when he gets his hands on the money.... and then the honeymoon ends.... that's too bad.... but not my problem..... Since I know of his relationship history, I can tell you that the first ever girlfriend he had ( the one who is with him now), and then the secon, and then the one he married, and then me and all the others in between, have all been discarded.... some with kids, some he would have happily left destitute They do not change!!!
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #21)
jaycee
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thanks dudette

glad you said that, glad to know there is a chance he wont change for her, since he does need her money, desperately. there is a chance even the money wont make him stay with her.......glad to know you are smart enough to know they wont change......xoxo

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 3PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Great post, Scoop!

This is a wonderful idea, Scoop! I don't know one person who doesn't have a story about inevitable D&D from a Narcissist. Jaycee - A Narcissist will always D&D. This is what he does. It is inevitable. Yes, maybe he's having fun with her now, but who cares?! Besides, she's the one who is going to hit a huge low when he D&Ds her while you are hopefully hitting a new high discovering your wonderful life after the narc! I know it hurts like hell right now, but as an old member used to say. "Cry now or Cry later?" Might as well get it over with now so you have something to look forward to...this poor girl sure doesn't!
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #16)
jaycee
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lisa

lisa, thanks for replying to the post........but to backtrack, they did live together for about six months last year, it ended with her calling the cops on him and him commuting to his moms for about a week before wiggling his way back to staying here during the week. she continued to beg him to come back, promising she will give him a life of financial freedom, and that she will never ever call the cops on him again, she made a mistake and he has nothing to worry about.......but obviously he wants her and she already had the d&d but it didnt last, oh, she called the cops because they got into a fight because he wanted to move out. so you can imagine to narcs on steroids fist fighting it must have been bad, she should have just let him move out, he went back anyway, but made her suffer and beg for over four months.......so no, i dont believe he will d&d her again, he obviously wanted her enough to go back after that travesty.

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 11PM (Reply to #19)
Lisa E. Scott
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Jaycee

Thanks for the background info. It's helpful to know that and just proves to me even further that he will D&D her again because he knows he can get away with it and she'll take him back. Narcs love to D&D. If he knows he can do it to her and get her back, he's going to do it again. Believe me. He's chomping at the bit. Narcs get off on D&D because they are sick and sadistic!
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #18)
dudette
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that's not love , that's exploitation

so the new GF is buying herself a bit of Narc attention... good for her if she can afford it. He'll take her to the cleaners and then D and D her without a single word or look back... He may play "in love" right now but he is probably laughing all the way to the bank.... hers....
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #17)
Journey
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Oh Jaycee

Please see it for what it is... OF COURSE he will D&D her again... You said he is with her because "obviously he wants her" - BUT! - and this is HUGE - look what she is offering him: You said she continues to beg him to come back and is promising she will give him a life of financial freedom and is promising she will never call the cops on him again, that it was all her fault and she is willing to put up with any abuse he gives her... Well what narc could resist that?!!!! He is probably D&D-ing her everyday in little ways and it is only a matter of time until he finds someone else to replace her with that might offer him more. He will get bored with her and with abusing her, she offers such little challenge to him but it sure is convenient for now isn't it? Hang in there Jaycee... all that narcs know how to do well after luring and trapping us is the D&D. He is not happy with her the way you would imagine he must be just because they are together. My exN has been with a few new girlfriends in the 20 months since he left and none have lasted. He moves on quick because he can, yours maybe has fewer options right now is all. ((Hugs))

Journey on...

Apr 3 - 3PM
jaycee
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i guess looks are decieving

i finally forced myself out of the house, and low and behold my hN and his ow were driving around town, looking quite like a married couple heads tilted towards one another, him driving like he owns the world and her gloating to see me driving alone......so maybe, just maybe he does treat her well, he never took me anywhere, but takes her out condo shopping and to dinner almost every night, oh, she pays, he just acts like he does.....i have to face the fact that she has more to offer him in more ways than one, she can give him a life of financial freedom, they have a lot in common, gym, pot, alcohol, and of course, their steroid use. boy has he settled down quickly into his life with her again, they genuinely looked like a very happy loving couple.......

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #14)
JMi
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Jaycee I'm in the same

Jaycee I'm in the same situation - the new GF (my former BFF) is driving around our very small town in his sports car now( i was never allowed to drive it!!) They stroll thru holding hands together on a daily basis and sit at eachothers workplaces gazing adoringly at eachother, telling anyone and everyone who listens that they are madly in love and 'meant for eachother' When i hear these things it hurts for a few hours maybe a day at the most and yes it is a bitter pill to swallow considering we only got married December just gone and they had been having an affair since November!! Then i think - yeah u are meant for eachother u pair of manipulative, compulsive liars!!! WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS YOU WHO HE TRULY IS - BELIEVE HIM WHEN SOMEONE WHO IS DISHONEST TO YOU LEAVES YOU - THIS IS A GIFT THE BEST PREDICTOR OF WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO IN THEIR FUTURE, IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND FINALLY!!! SOMETIMES NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT IS AN AMAZING STROKE OF LUCK I have a scrapbook filled with quotes,comments and articles and whenever i hear a new installment of the gruesome twosome and their new found paradise together - i read ALOT!!
Apr 3 - 3PM (Reply to #8)
onwithmylife
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Jaycee

I have but one question for YOU- WHO CARES WHAT THEY ARE DOING, YOU NEED TO GET ON WITH YOUR OWN LIFE AND MAKE A LIFE FOR YOU, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORATNT THING OF ALL and for your children as well. You need to become unstuck, are you doing any therapy with a good professional ????
Apr 3 - 3PM (Reply to #9)
jaycee
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onwithmylife

you are right, but you have to agree, it hurts, it hurts so bad, im sick to my stomach. the pain is unbearable, knowing how happy they are and im so lonely and depressed. to see them driving around town kills me.

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 3PM (Reply to #10)
onwithmylife
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Jaycee

here is some tough love, take it or leave it, you are not new on this board or else i would not have said what i said, you have been here a while and YOU and ONLY you are making yourself WORSE, not the other woman oo that deadbeat narc,husband, get some therapy for yourself to pull you out of this rabbit hole and one day you will give me a big hug to thank me. IT is your ONLY life, you do not come back, reember Ivana Trump after the Donald threw her away, your happiness is the BEST revenge on this earth!!!PS you are not the ONLY one who is lonely ,i am 2 years out and still lonely as hell and cannot meet any decent guys.
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #13)
neverlookback
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She is

buying him Jaycee, come on its NOT what it appears to be, it never is. She is buying him to secure what he gives her, but he will cheat also on her, god I would hate to have to BUY a man for him to stay with me. Their relationship is F'd up, its not right and NOT healthy is that what yOU want? I know you dont look at what it REALLY is, not what it looks like as you see them drive by in a car. Now stop at look what SHE has, and what this man is he is a MONSTER she is buying a monster - ya she is a real gem alright, let them smoke pot until their eyes cross, who cares what they do in that relationship that is NOT RIGHT, at least you live in reality and you can move on to have a better life, and one day a year from now, two years from now you will find YOUR happiness, that happiness will not include a man that was violent with you and cheated on you for all those years, YOU DONT DESERVE THAT. HE is ALL HERS NOW, lock stock and barrel, let her have him YOUR GAIN and her problems are just beginning.
Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #11)
jaycee
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onwithmylife

thanks for the tough love, i appreciate your honesty, and so sorry you are lonely as well........maybe for me, i was meant to live alone, and care for our daughter, maybe i was a serial killer in my last life and this is my utter punishment, or just maybe i was a narc who destoyed many women in my last life, because there could be no other reason for me to have been put through this hell.....i have always been friendly, happy, kind, and most of all, loyal, beyond loyal..........so this is my payback, the pain of pain.........

Jaycee

Apr 3 - 4PM (Reply to #12)
onwithmylife
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Jaycee

STOP with e pity party and victims party ENOUGH, are you getting therapy i have not gotten any answer from you to this question but it is an important one for your life!!!
Apr 3 - 12PM
ImStrong
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I love this post..hopefully

I love this post..hopefully it will help Jaycee

"In the fiery pit lays a man with two faces.One is the face of a God and the other a face of the Devil.Beware He lurks your souls.Keep one hand on your heart and the other hand over your eyes. Let him walk pass you not into you.Ghost of love will possess

Apr 3 - 12PM
helldweller
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poll for jaycee

All I can say is, if mine is so happy ith his new gf (or old gfs) then why is he turning himself inside out to treat me like shit? I know that when I fell in love again two years ago, in the middle of being treated like garbage,I could not have cared less about the narc. He had to tell me he had cancer in order to get me back. When you fall in love and are happy, vindictivenenss goes out the window.
Apr 3 - 11AM
ewa
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Mine was with his gf in

Mine was with his gf in long-distance relationship for 6 months and then he moved in with her. They have been living in the same flat 4 months already and so far all seems to be good. I know they had one small argument (before they moved in togethr he was complaining to me how unhappy he is cuz of the fight),but of course she went back to him almost next day. He still says to everybody that he plans to marry her. So looks like he is a model bf for her so far. He also takes a good care of her 3 years old boy :), the both like to play xbox probably ;)
Apr 3 - 11AM
Finally Faced It
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He is what he repeatedly does..

If he treats his current girlfriend so wonderfully...then why does he want to carry on with me? Does SHE know what he is really like, without the mask? I have no idea...but I do.
Apr 3 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
Arwen
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SHE KNOWS

She knows just like we knew honey! We couldn't and didn't want to let go of him either - she knows. When her self-esteem kicks in and it will she will try to run also and she will be another ruined victim until she gets help.
Apr 3 - 11AM
Arwen
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FANTASTIC THOUGHTFUL POST!

Mine: Was with me (I am married) AND with a woman who made a very nice salary at her job and would do anything to keep him: she showed up at a bar one night while I was with him - well "with" him - he called her name across the bar and made me introduce myself to her as his friend, told her I was just his friend and then ran out of the bar after when she freaked out, and left me in the bar. Came back and told me "you're the one I want to be with". Forward two months later: "She doesn't care if there are women on my Facebook". So I SAW HIM do it to her Jaycee. More: I was coming as he was discarding a different one - and she was so angry she was venemously writing posts on his FB page accusing him of taking her comments down so "his other little girls" wouldn't see what a bastard her is. There was ALWAYS a trail of women he had fucked over.