The Illusion of Managing (Or Controlling) a Pathological Person

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Sep 23 - 8PM (Reply to #10)
anonymous
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Unaware of the hurtfulness it causes

" the inability to develop insight how their behavior harms others." When I called the narc out on being manipulative, he admitted it. His words were, "It's been a problem with everyone I encounter my whole life, and not just with women. I'm not sure what to do about this. It's something I should work on. I wasn't aware of the hurtfulness it causes." When he wrote that, I was struck by how odd it was and I figured, ah ha! No one is his life has been as special as me - to actually call him out! And he agrees with me!! See how strong I am! I'm such a good role model for him! Perhaps if I try harder to *help* him see how hurtful his manipulative behavior is, he'll need me around. HA! Now I know - it struck me as odd because the reality is - he knows he's manipulative and he really DOESN'T KNOW how his behavior harms others. That's the definition of being incapable of empathy.
Sep 24 - 4PM (Reply to #13)
michele115 (not verified)
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My Gosh Morty I think You're on to something...

Shoot, I need a drink... Not quite sure, but if I didn't know you better, I'd think you were a fly on the wall in my apartment that just stood there and took notes for four years... Cheers Mate! Will that be Moscato or Reisling...not good on the reds.
Sep 24 - 5PM (Reply to #14)
anonymous
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I'm a beer girl myself

Bass on tap wine gives me a headache I'm drinking a Sam's Summer Ale right now and raising a toast to you Michele =)
Sep 23 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
better off
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Morty

"When he wrote that, I was struck by how odd it was and I figured, ah ha! No one is his life has been as special as me - to actually call him out! And he agrees with me!! See how strong I am! I'm such a good role model for him! Perhaps if I try harder to *help* him see how hurtful his manipulative behavior is, he'll need me around." And this is evidence of our OWN sickness... but the good news is... WE can get BETTER!!!! YAY!!! I can learn from my mistakes!! Yayyyy!!! :-D
Sep 24 - 5PM (Reply to #12)
anonymous
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:-D

Yes, it is. But at least we're becoming self-aware. I'm proud of that fact - that I'm starting to really get it and in the process am shedding so much bullshit in my life.
Sep 23 - 6PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Excellent

Excellent post! Thank you so much for sharing. It is abundantly clear what we really need to understand and absorb with these people. I hope we can all "get it" rather than continuing to wonder how or why THEY don't...sooner than later. Hugs!
Sep 23 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
better off
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Thank you! That's something

Thank you! That's something I like to say when women say, why doesn't he get it? Why doesn't he see? Babe, we are the ones that need to get it. We are the ones who need to see. And I have asked those same questions, btw. I could not figure out HOW he could NOT want what we had... I think for a while HE could not believe that I still thought we really had something and still believed him. You know, once.. he was laughing about his wife, about how he had been talking to me intimately in a locked room... and that she later told the therapist (that I didn't KNOW they were seeing) about how he had really given her some space that night, how he just seemed to sense that she needed some time alone, and he LAUGHED about it, because in actuality he was doing something quite different, with me, online. I also remembered that day and thought he was home alone. I also did not know he was going to MARRIAGE COUNSELING. His excuse for that was that he had to make it look like he tried or some such shit, even tho he was leaving her. Yeah, that sounds a LOT better. Anyway, I was horrified. I, of course, with his training, hated her and thought he'd been victimized by her, but I didn't take any JOY in tricking her. He said he was leaving but he WOULD NOT leave. And never did, doncha know. But anyway, blah blah, I remembered that later when I found out about the OW that knew me, and damn I was pissed OFF thinking about them thinking that they pulled one over on me. Thinking about him LAUGHING about me buying his bullshit, this laugh of disbelief, that he could get away with it. While I was APOLOGIZING to him for not handling our breakup better, blah blah puke puke as I like to say. Oh, I know just how he must have laughed. Dick. Head. But that's okay, I know now, and he's just a duplicitous loser.
Sep 23 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
agnesmurphy17
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Layer Upon Layer

Layer upon layer of deceit. One cannot imagine how many levels these guys operate on. I was contacted by the woman who replaced me. I think it was a shock for me to unravel his deceits after I left him & I wanted a divorce. This poor woman who replaced me . . . she was stunned to read the e-mails he wrote me during their courtship & my divorce. Trying to reconcile with me when telling her our marriage was long over. The lies. Unbelievable. And he drained her for cash & emotions & she even lost her job because she missed so much work in the fireball which ended their relationship.
Sep 23 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
better off
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Agnes I thank you for your

Agnes I thank you for your story and all your posts... your story kept me strong. I believe I was looking at what my future would have been, or something close to it, if I had ended up with the narc I knew. And it scared the crap out of me.
Sep 23 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
no more
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YAHOO for me

I have been NC since July 10,,,but have not removed him from my Facebook or MSN Live,,but I did it tonite,,,no longer will I see his ugly puss on my computer,,,,YAHOO FOR ME!!!!!! Luv this site,,,,YAHOO for me again!!!!!

I just got involved with the same N for the second time.
What was I thinking? Because I have put myself back to the same point where I am blaming myself again. And for what?
I want to get rid of these feelings again.

Sep 23 - 10PM (Reply to #6)
WiserNow30
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Yeah!

You are so awesome. Good for you. The best is ahead for you :)
Sep 23 - 11PM (Reply to #7)
blueeyes
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the more i learn

The worse and more depressed I become. I have never been in this much pain in my life. Great post. I'm not there yet.
Sep 24 - 5AM (Reply to #8)
WiserNow30
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Blueeyes

I'm sorry about the pain. You will get there. Go through all of the recovery stages. You are in pain now but your entire life will be pain if you stay. Think of all of the wonderful possibilities that await you. God bless. XOXO I'm Day 2 NC and it is hard. But then I remember what misery I went through with him. The pain I feel now WILL go away. The pain I would have had with him would have lasted my whole life.