Wow that hurts...

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#1 Oct 7 - 3AM
marie27m
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Wow that hurts...

So I know I made myself open to get hurt, but I think this is what I finally needed to get closure and move on.

The exN and I have been hanging out as friends the past couple of weeks. Last night we got to talking about relationships and I decide to ask him what was it about me that was so bad that he couldn't be with me anymore (he dumped me by saying he didn't feel the same anymore but didn't know why). I know I shouldn't have asked it but I realised the reason I can't get myself to move on is because I don't understand what went wrong. And I know Ns will never fully explain but his response was incredible. He said I annoyed him like no one before, nothing specific, just things I said and did... He then says to me I wasn't the same anymore as when we were friends (we were friends for a year before getting together), that I became needy, weak and soft. I've never been described as needy by boyfriends, in fact the exact opposite. I asked him what he meant by weak, and he said he hates people who don't have opinions or lives of their own. Again, I am known to be opinionated to the point of annoyance and most definitely had a life of my own, I've never given a guy as much space as I gave him. He then said I'm 'soft' again by wanting to talk about these things, i.e. feelings or as he calls it 'girly things.' So basically I got 'punished' because I opened up and acted like a normal girlfriend, which of course would be different than to when we were friends! He even said he likes cold, bitchy women and I 'was not that anymore.' Was all this projection maybe???

Then he says I don't understand my own feelings and can't read other people's feelings. I am just as shallow as him and not special. At some point he even said I bring out the worst in him. So I asked him why he wanted to stay friends, it was his idea. He said because he knows I'm lonely and was just being polite. Really, am I suppose to feel sorry for him now, what a 'great guy'?? I told him no worries, this 'friendship' is over, he just laughed and said I will 'hunt him down again' with my texts and calls. So then I lost it and when I told him to get over himself he says he's a narcissist, he'll 'never get over himself'!!! By then I had so much rage in me, I said to him his also a psychopath, to which he responds 'there are many psycopaths out there.' Wouldn't any normal person be offended or ask why or laugh it off??? Something else that was strange was a talk we had about a mutual friend who got into a horrible car crash. He said he doesn't care because the guy was drunk. I accused him of having no empathy (I'm sorry, by then I've said all the wrong things you can say to an N!), he then says of course he has empathy, he just doesn't care for this friend because he was drunk when he crashed. He said he would have empathy if, say, my dog became sick. Wouldn't a more 'appropriate' example be if I or his mother for example became sick??? Does he really think he is empathetic, could I be wrong although he doesn't come accross as empathetic?

I know this is badly written, but I needed to get the conversation of last night off my chest. He made me doubt myself all over again, making me think that I'm weak. But at the same time I am now 100% completely committed to NC as I finally realised I don't need him in my life, I always leave him feeling bad about myself. So yes, it really really hurts but in a way I have never been this grateful for his cruelty.

Oct 7 - 1PM
Briseis
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Oh. My. Gawd. He really and

Oh. My. Gawd. He really and truly pulled off his mask for you. You say, " I know I shouldn't have asked it but I realised the reason I can't get myself to move on is because I don't understand what went wrong." Now do you understand?
Oct 7 - 7AM
ewa
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Typical N behavior. He just

Typical N behavior. He just takes joy out of this that he treats you badly and you still want to be his friend. By staying his friend you are just proving that you do not respect yourself. For sure he does not respect you. And if is about empathy. This people has no empathy and they do not even "feel" what it is. It should not hurt you, i know it does, but look at him differently. He is not great, wonderful person he is a Psycho, who just trying hurt people. So do not take his words personal. If somebody who lives in Mental Health institution said it to you would it hurt you? You are right you do not need him in your life. When i was listening to similar stuff my exN was saying i slowly started to believe it and became more and more like him. Please run away from him. He is nothing good.
Oct 7 - 6AM
Scoop
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Oh my good god Marie ......

Oh my good god Marie ...... its funny how we sit there and listern to theses mad ramberlings , i use to as i so wanted my relationship to work .... see if i could change to make him happy , i would sit there and take all the bull shit , i now know that what came out of his mouth is narcisstic rage and projection , ok he wasnt raging at you like shouting ect but he was doing what narcs do best the underhand rage , the passive agressive rage and they love it , it is thier weapon of choise because they can say after "i was just being honest , i want being abusive , i never raised my voise " but i can tell you that what he said to you is about as abusive as it gets , emotional abuse is some times very hard to pin point but this is what it looks like . Please go nc from today , never listern to him again . big love Scoop x
Oct 7 - 8AM (Reply to #5)
marie27m
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Funny you point that out, he

Funny you point that out, he always afterwards say that he was only being honest. How convenient, he probably thinks he is such an upstanding citizen for being so honest. And I am so used to hearing these attacks that I don't realise anymore how abusive it is, it just became the norm. And like you say, so hard to pin point. But he did me a huge favour, I've never felt this strong and determined to have a full life again. NC is the way to go!
Oct 7 - 4AM
NancyM
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marie

Yup, sometimes you just have to see them doing it to finally get it. Wow, apart from the projections, have a look through this for the contradictions, like this one. He even said he likes cold, bitchy women and I 'was not that anymore.' and then Then he says I don't understand my own feelings and can't read other people's feelings. I am just as shallow as him and not special. While he is projecting onto you, he obviously does not get that these two statements don't work together. It would not surprise me if he said them in the same sentence. So which one is it cos it sure as hell can't be both. If you were as shallow as him then by default you would be cold and bitchy like the moron. I know its easy to say don't get upset by it because it is so obviously Narc double speak, and it is not any wonder that we get so upset and confused trying to make sense out of it. NC good girl.

Nevergoback

Oct 7 - 5AM (Reply to #2)
darkspark
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yeah

I'm convinced that the beginning of the end of my N relationship was when I switched over to 'girlfriend' thoughts and feelings. In the early stages, he was keen on me because I had traits he wanted to claim for his own. Strong, kind, determined, forward thinking. After the first bait and switch (getting angry with me for leaving him on his own), I started getting soft - cooing and soothing, subjugating my will for his. That's where the disgust for me started, going from being a superhero to a normal person. That's when the real games and cruelty started. I had failed him and I was going to have to pay.
Oct 7 - 6AM (Reply to #3)
marie27m
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Nancy, I never even realised

Nancy, I never even realised the contradiction (me being shallow versus being a cold bitch). I'm still new to this, makes me wonder what other things I missed, they are so subtle with the manipulations. Darkspark, I know now after last night that is exactly what happened. When I showed 'girlfriend' emotions I became weak and soft in his eyes, I wasn't perfect anymore. I think back to when I was retrenched at my work and obviously stressed out. He didn't support me at all, in fact made it about him. I think that's where he started thinking I was needy, when in fact I was just looking for normal human support. Ugh they are freaks!