This will happen if I break NC....: PLEASE ADD TO THIS LIST. It is for all of us

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#1 Aug 21 - 10PM
baddream
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This will happen if I break NC....: PLEASE ADD TO THIS LIST. It is for all of us

5 months today....

I too have been fighting off the STRONG urge to write, call or contact him and tell him what is on my mind, and some days I just want to call him to talk and make it all right again. Of course this is IMPOSSIBLE.... It is an addiction I live with everyday so I keep reminding myself what will happen if I do. We all struggle with this. Please add to my list so we can remind ourselves everyday why we must keep NC... Thanks to all of you who continue to help and be my inspiration.

1. He will not hear a word I say.

2. He will be thrilled to hear my emotion, whether it be good or bad, and know that he "got to me".. He will have WON.

3. My emotion will enable him and make him strong. He will be happy and filled with his fresh supply from me and then go and make love to his girlfriend, knowing he will always be able to control me.

4. I will feel broken and lost.

5. I will lose everything gained by all of these months of NC

6. Nothing will change. He will not change. Telling him how I feel will do nothing.

7. Contacting him will make me feel sick inside, like my guts are being torn up and my skin is crawling.

8. I will lose all the control I have gained these past few months because the only control I can have over this relationship is when I am no longer in it.

9. I will hate myself for needing him and feel remorse for my actions.

10.Contacting him will not provide closure, I will go backwards in my healing.

Aug 24 - 10AM
cynthia (not verified)
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good list

also add (helps me at least) ask yourself, it was in one of lisa's writings, "what possible happiness could this pathological person bring to my future",??? and "Why would you want to remain in contact with someone that everything he says is a LIE,? (the people of the lie) When we fight our addiction that draws us to these people I try to say over and over in my mind would I want to be even friends with someone that lied like this and betrayed and nearly destroyed me? What makes it so different just because he was my partner? Do I miss the charming words and soothing voice so much even knowing its all lies to risk destroying my life by keeping in touch with someone like that? Like a hamster in a cage on his little tread mill, going NOWHERE and that is where you go with these people, you end up NOwhere, NOT TO MENTION DESTROYED. That helps me at least, you avoid people on the planet that are disordered no matter how much the withdraw hurts.
Aug 24 - 8AM
dolce (not verified)
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baddream

I've only found this site and realized what was going on a couple of weeks ago. I hope you all will be patient with me while I learn these skills. I do have many many urges to contact him. Right now, I'm trying to concentrate on my own life and how to create what I want in it. I guess what I'm trying to say is..those who have been here longer or know more than me, please be patient with me as I work through this and learn. Thats why I'm here. For support and to help myself. Thanks.
Aug 24 - 2PM (Reply to #33)
cynthia (not verified)
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hey

you dont need to ask us to be patient with you, that will come naturally from all of us because we all have suffered and been thru every stage of this and know what its like - I have been recovering for months and months now and I still at times want to call him its normal - it was that mind control as barbara tells us over and over and that mr nice pretend loving, warm guy. Give yourself a big pat on the back for reaching out and doing the best thing you can do for yourself, RUN
Aug 23 - 4AM
James (not verified)
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A must read for NC

This sweet soul has truly defined the meaning of what NC means! It's a must read for all.. http://knittingattheguillotine.blogspot.com/2009/08/no-contact.html
Aug 24 - 12PM (Reply to #27)
cynthia (not verified)
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James good NC article

i enjoyed the cartoon and devious thoughts of the n's, so common arent they? Have you ever heard the song, "LONESOME LOSER" by Little River Band? Here are the lyrics, Have you heard about the lonesome loser Beaten by the queen of hearts every time Have you heard about the lonesome loser He's a loser, but he still keeps on tryin' Sit down, take a look at yourself Don't you want to be somebody Someday somebody's gonna see inside You have to face up, you can't run and hide Have you heard about the lonesome loser Beaten by the queen of hearts every time Have you heard about the lonesome loser He's a loser, but he still keeps on tryin' Unlucky in love Least that's what they say He lost his head And he gambled his heart away He still keeps searching Though there's nothing left Staked his heart and lost Now he has to pay the cost Have you heard about the lonesome loser Beaten by the queen of hearts every time Have you heard about the lonesome loser He's a loser, but he still keeps on tryin' "It's okay", he smiles and says Though this loneliness is driving him crazy He don't show what goes on in his head But if you watch very close you'll see it all Sit down, take a look at yourself Don't you want to be somebody Someday somebody's gonna see inside You have to face up, you can't run and hide Have you heard about the lonesome loser Beaten by the queen of hearts every time Have you heard about the lonesome loser He's a loser, but he still keeps on tryin' I attended them in concert this weekend and the song reminded me of someone, how about you? "and they still keep on tryin'" dont they? They are nothing but lonesome losers and I think that is why they try so hard to project the opposite of what they are inside. During NC james maybe thats a good time for us to truly see we are just the opposite of them rather than dwelling on the withdraw from the dream man or woman I should say DREAM PERSON, we need to focus more on the fact we are not really lonesome and we certainly arent losers. They seek their supply because they are so lonely and cant find anything that will fill their void, we are on the otherhand so strong that not only do we recover from this we are content in our own skins and have no need to suck supply from others in a constant honeymoon state. I try daily to find ways to make NC comfortable in my mind it doesnt have to be painful, but more of a realization that we are simply saying goodbye to a very disordered individual that we fell victim to. The GAMES they play when he doesnt hear from me he calls, then when they still dont hear from you they back off and ignore you as well, thinking i am just trying to manipulate him with my silence, there is no manipulating I simply disengaged from their game, let them play with someone else. My life is not a GAME, I dont conduct my interactions with others to see who is going to WIN like a small child who is a bad loser in a card game. NO CONTACT is much like folding in your cards you were dealt, I pass, I am not going to raise the annie, or even match your bet I simply will put my cards down and walk away, in the end they will never know if we had the winning hand, let em always wonder as we walk away in silence. That will eat at them til their dying day, they HATE to lose. My counselor always told me, "you want revenge, you want to hurt him like he hurt you, the only chance you have at doing that is folding in the cards and walking away, COMPLETELY severing and disengaging in their game, their time is due for the grave injustice he did to you. If that is the end result I will gladly go NC, we then heal and they experience injury in their games they play in life when they no longer can control. Remember those primitive emotions they have, Fear, anger, rage? those are the only emotions we will stir in them when we go NC, they dont miss us, they never loved us, they dont feel bad for what they did to us. As in your case when a mother who can turn her back on her own child, flesh and blood imagine inside what a monster she is, I have more respect for animals that show motherly bonding and instincts. You saved your sons life and what a great father you are to him!!!!!
Aug 24 - 4PM (Reply to #28)
James (not verified)
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LONESOME LOSER and more

Yes Cynthia they are lonesome losers but they are also much more because even in a crowded room they are alone. This dysfunctional defend disorder goes much deeper inside of them. They know fear and have abandonment issues that some of us will never know or understand. Think about a child lost in a mall or someplace crying for parents that will never come. This is why they experience true fear and anxieties unknown to most of us. Yes, Cynthia they are losers in the worst possible ways and one most of us can and will never imagine.... http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 24 - 8PM (Reply to #31)
cynthia (not verified)
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correction

i saw you had two children sorry I thought you had one son, i cant remember too well these days in any event they are both lucky to have you
Aug 24 - 5PM (Reply to #29)
baddream
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Cynthia, James----

You have explained it so well, I know these words to be true. On past occasions N would tell me that when he could not hear my voice he would suffer from terrible anxiety, hallucinations and paranoia. Unfortunately for us, we must study them extensively first to truly understand their neediness, evil and wickedness---- this understanding and insight eventually gives us the strength to continue our NC and get out for good. For them it is a waiting GAME... Who will break the silence first? NOT ME. For us, at some point, we realize that NC is not a game, it is a means to an end/goal---- having them gone from our lives forever. I do believe they suffer terribly when we go NC. Without us they are completely empty inside. Imagine waking in the morning and not knowing who you are. We define them. It is essential they have supply for without it they are nothing. When he told me about the hallucinations--(he told me a monster was chasing him!!) I thought he was exaggerating or trying to get my attention. Since then I have done a lot of reading and I know it is true he is frightened, alone and suffering. I sometimes feel bad about that because he is sick and there is no cure for his illness. I was his food and his medicine, without it he will suffer and his soul will die. This does not make me happy. I just want to forget about him and move on and I know in time he is going to reappear. His survival depends on it. I want the loser gone.
Aug 24 - 7PM (Reply to #30)
James (not verified)
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baddream

Yes they are toxic even to themselves which explains why we suffer from being with them. Our children too can see and feel things from them and sometimes before we do. My oldest son knew things about her that I never saw and I guess because love can be so blind. Anyway, it's explains so much to me about how the need for others are so great but instead of being loving and being able to bond they want only control and end up pulling us away from them. It would be so sad if their actions won't so selfish and center only on their needs and desires. I believe what hurts them the most due to NC is that lack of control over us. http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 23 - 4PM (Reply to #26)
Barbara (not verified)
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that's...

Our member Clover18's blog! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 23 - 8AM (Reply to #22)
baddream
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The List

That is one of the best lists of rules for ABSOLUTE NC I have seen. I have printed it out. Since he has recently tried to initiate contact in "benign" ways this list is invaluable to me. Everyone should read it. Thanks James.
Aug 23 - 10AM (Reply to #23)
James (not verified)
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baddream

That is one of the best lists of rules for ABSOLUTE NC I have seen. Same here baddream, in fact what surprised me the most is how I have done each and everything on that list before knowing about it's existence. Also this explain how I been able to move on from all the pain and emotional hurt in me personally. The sad news is I will never recover from how she treated her own children. This is something I just can't get over and feel deep dislike and anger with her about this. Hurt a children and you are my enemy for life!!
Aug 25 - 3PM (Reply to #24)
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The sad news is I will never

The sad news is I will never recover from how she treated her own children. This is something I just can't get over and feel deep dislike and anger with her about this. Hurt a children and you are my enemy for life!! (James) This is exactly what I find so hard about my own horrible situation. However much he devalued me, I cannot get my head around how he could hurt our beautiful boys. James, you are a lovely man and if my ex had just a fraction of your goodness and integrity, I would not be writing this now. Hugs Sandra http://stoptherollercoaster.blogspot.com/ http://byebyejekyllandhyde.blogspot.com/ http://knittingattheguillotine.blogspot.com/
Aug 26 - 5PM (Reply to #25)
James (not verified)
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That must be the hardest part!!!

Yes, Sandra. This must be the hardest part for any parent. Use us, okay maybe we even asked for it? But use and abuse the innocence then you will even piss God himself off. For it's stated the children fall under the heavenly protection of our Lord and Savior whenever a child is used and abused. http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 22 - 9PM
James (not verified)
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Points

Thanks for sharing baddream. But I would like to call them for me personally my 10 commandments for truly breaking them and not listening to them would in fact hurt me spiritually emotionally and psychologically. Just as I follow the biblical 10 commandments to continue a path of spiritual growth, I would follow these 10 commandments to save myself from hurt and emotional damage and continue to follow a path of healing and personal growth. http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 22 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
baddream
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Thanks James.

Yes--this is so true James. I will remind myself everyday to follow my 10 commandments for a healthier and happier life and ultimately a feeling of balance. Some days I feel like I will really get there, and others just feel so impossible. I'm trying so hard to stay the course.
Aug 22 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
James (not verified)
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baddream

Well I have follow your 10 commandments myself and so far so good and it's been 3 years of total NC. So yes, I believe you will get there!!! http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 22 - 9PM (Reply to #13)
baddream
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Question for James--

Does it feel easier for you now after 3 years of NC? I see you are here on this site and wondering after this much time do you still feel a lot of pain from your own experience with N? Do you want to contact her after all this time? I am asking the question because it seems there are several people here who have managed to successfully move on after the experience with N, yet they are still here writing about it after all this time. So what I am really wondering is if once bitten by N, do we ever really get past this or is there permanent damage and scars from the deep wounds N has inflicted..?
Aug 22 - 10PM (Reply to #14)
James (not verified)
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Heat

1) Does it feel easier for you now after 3 years of NC? A) Yes, it will get easier as time goes on. The old saying that time heals all wounds is correct. But the now time you now invest in yourself as a independent person will help speed alone the healing progress. 2) see you are here on this site and wondering after this much time do you still feel a lot of pain from your own experience with N? A) The reason I am on this site and others like it is simply to help others while still helping myself never to forgot the lessons learned. This disorder I believe is growing in this country and will for some time to come. New ways of dealing with it and understanding it are always being discovered and refined. 3) Do you want to contact her after all this time? A) NO! Never ever and always the answer is NO. 4) So what I am really wondering is if once bitten by N, do we ever really get past this or is there permanent damage and scars from the deep wounds N has inflicted..? A) Yes, we all have much damage albeit emotional spiritual and psychological which is why we all need to deal with it one by one. For the good news, yes we will get over it and no we won’t always be inflicted by it and those who suffer from this cluster B disorder. You see we can go on and heal and grow out of this but sorry for most of those that deny and refuse treatment, their suffering and pain as just began and all those who choice to follow their lead. http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 23 - 7AM (Reply to #20)
baddream
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Thanks and more thanks James.

I appreciate your honest answers and your help. It makes me feel better to know that it eventually gets better. It really does feel like an addiction, because there is no other explanation to be craving something that is so bad-- it is toxic, will hurt me, and will destroy my psyche. I'm so happy you have recovered and have moved past this James. It sounds like you are a stronger person having had this terrible experience --I think we are forced to do some deep soul searching as a prerequisite to finding our way out. Thanks for your understanding and writing.
Aug 23 - 1AM (Reply to #17)
Marie
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It does get easier

James thanks for your insights they are always so helpful and inspirational to me. Baddream it does get easier. You've made 5 months now that's great! I'm sure it wasn't easy. Just about 6 months for me he swooped back into my life Mr.Pretend Guy. It was hard to stop myself from falling but thanks to his warped twisted self just as I was about to forgive he became the Invisible Man once more. Never again. Whatever your N did you have to replay it in your head and say Never again! For me it's been a year since my break up, NC was broken by him after a month but haven't seen or heard from him since. I think he's finally done with me. Like James I'm on here to help others while I'm still healing. Still have pain at times but it's different. I no longer have crying spells. I might get misty eyed now and then but not over him, mostly over wondering if I'll ever find real love. I started posting here because in all this time I could never pinpoint what was going on or talk to anyone, no one understood what I was having with him. After his 6 month D&D I began searching the web and started finding articles about Narcissts, it opened everything up for me. Once I began learning about the disorder it became clear how I needed to handle him and his constant bombardment of calls, emails etc... It's been helpful to me to hear other people's stories because I can relate so well, none of my friends could understand. I was finding too I didn't want to talk with anyone because it would get back to him and he began saying unkind or untrue things about me. With time you will find yourself feeling better and not wanting to have contact. I'm not sure about the scars that have been inflicted, it's hard not to carry baggage into another relationship. The only thing you can do is give the next person a chance. After this I think the next time you will make a better choice because of what you have learned from your experience. When I was in college I had my Lemon Law, it was a list of deal breakers. Anytime I made exceptions to the rule I always got burned so I learned to stick to my Lemon Law. If I had this time I would never have gotten involved with him. From your experience you can create another list for yourself of things that attracted you to this person and things you could not tolerate, this will help you to find someone with the good traits you like.
Aug 23 - 10AM (Reply to #19)
James (not verified)
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Marie

Thanks Marie, I never heard about the lemon law, would you have a list of some kind of link on this? http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 23 - 8AM (Reply to #18)
baddream
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Lemon Law--Marie

I like that "lemon law"... Things to stay away from. We would never go back to a lemon either, would we? One year NC, that is wonderful Marie. I am going to continue to uphold my commandments and hopefully in 7 months I will be able to write here "one year"...wow, that is something to celebrate. Thanks for sharing. It is good to know if we stay the course it will get better.
Aug 22 - 11PM (Reply to #15)
Barbara (not verified)
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James - that's a great point

most of those that deny and refuse treatment, their suffering and pain as just began and all those who choice to follow their lead. This is an excellent point. It's next to impossible to help a victim pick up the pieces after months of them saying: - I'm strong, I'll get over this on my own. - It's just a bad break up, it's something wrong with me that I am not getting over it. - I don't need therapy - If they find out I'm in therapy they'll tell everyone I am crazy so I won't go - I can still stay friends with them - I refuse to take meds - My pastor/ priest/ rabbi told me therapy & meds are evil and I should just pray about it - my friend & family don't believe me so I don't want to talk to a shrink. It must be me. - oh come on! I can't possibly have PTSD These people then hit the wall... and come to places like this thinking a website is going to give them a quick fix. Websites are great for support and information but fixing you? No. You have to do that yourself with professional help. Additionally, once you've been on a website like this and people who are in the know like Lisa or myself, tell you something for the 10th time - and you still won't do it? Then you need to stop coming to this site (or finding another website because you're too embarrassed to come back here and think we don't understand) and whining and asking for advice & help. Or those who come here a few times a week asking the same question in a different way figuring someone else will give them an answer they like better. As you can see I've been pretty harsh with a couple people but ONLY after it's been a couple months of them finding every excuse in the book not to do what we advise. Then they come back, we tell them again - and they don't do it. ...ad infinitum... It says VOLUMES about the pathological and how truly evil they are that you need professional help. What it says about you is that you care about yourself and are intelligent to know when you need help. Your body will start to tell you also. You'll have pain, sleeplessness, too much or too little appetite. All those things telling you - GET HELP. I do know what many of you are thinking - I've thought and probably done all of them many times. I've minimized made excuses for and blocked out things from my NarcMother, 3 NBoyfriends, 2 N bosses, numerous N friends, 2 sociopath boyfriends and exNH. I get it. And I wish someone had given me this wake up call I keep trying to give out. So I am with you James. Paying it forward can be very healing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 25 - 3PM (Reply to #16)
Clover18
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It does feel harsh sometimes but necessary

I know what you say is absolutely right Barbara and for me you have been one of the rocks I have clung to in a stormy sea. It DOES feel harsh sometimes and we KNOW deep down that we need to be strong and do what needs to be done but we are human and more than that we tend to be the soft-hearted nurturing types anyway who have always fallen for the pity play or the little-boy-lost act. And sometimes, therefore we fall off the wagon! My counsellor told me that it didn't matter if I kept going back three steps as long as I then moved forward four steps. And there is an old Japanese proverb: "Fall down seven times, stand up eight" What I am trying to say is that however many times we break NC, we should not beat ourselves up about it. Finding forgiveness and compassion for ourselves is vital because if we don't we will always be vulnerable to evil people. http://stoptherollercoaster.blogspot.com/ http://byebyejekyllandhyde.blogspot.com/ http://knittingattheguillotine.blogspot.com/
Aug 22 - 9PM
infinity (not verified)
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#11

what we text become permanent. ...and he doesn't need any help from us in trying to make us look bad. we regret it, but it's still out there.
Aug 22 - 9PM
infinity (not verified)
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your ten points really do

your ten points really do hold true and hit home. and i am going to have to continue reminding myself of #10. every time i make contact, it's back to square 1 for me. i have finally just now deleted his # from my phone. it's been one week since i text him, and it hopefully will be the last time ever. they just don't hear. or care.
Aug 22 - 3PM
Marie
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Baddream

Recently I have been thinking of contacting him because I've heard his mom is very ill. I fight the urge to because he's made it clear in his own subtle way he wants me out of his life. He's never uttered those words but in cutting off his cell, not emailing, calling or ever signing on to IM with me speaks volumes. The very last time I called him I regretted it. Time had gone by since we broke up and the few times I had run into him, he was always cheerful and friendly. One of the very last times he told me if I ever needed anything to call. Stupid me believed this new fake person now pretending to be my friend. When I called him, he acted so annoyed, cold and just overall nasty, definitely not happy to hear from me. I instantly regretted calling him and couldn't get off the phone fast enough. I cried and felt horrible, it was a big set back in healing. Anytime since he's just turned into this cold, nasty a@@hole. He says degrading things, things to make me feel guilty; I get the impression he hates me and I can't figure out why. See this is the reason why NC is so important because the crazy making never ends. The NC is less hurtful than getting negative, nasty responses or twisted pretend friend.
Aug 22 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
baddream
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I know this feeling well Marie.

You want to contact him because you are caring and you think that is the right thing to due under the circumstances (his mom being ill). I heard indirectly that my N has some medical problems and I also feel that the right thing to do is to call to find out how he is and express well wishes. It they were normal people we could do that, but under the circumstances of who they are, it would just come back and hurt us. N would not appreciate our trying to help or any expression of caring we might make, or they would just use us as supply. We should direct these overtures to helping ourselves and not our ex-N's.
Aug 21 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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precisely

you are spot on! Here's what happened when I broke contact!! I stupidly had to write Psycho-Boy 4 years later, figuring he'd calmed down... wanna see what happened? First this: http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/email-exchange-no-chan... then this: http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/lashon-hara-from-ywl/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck