What if I'm wrong?

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#1 Feb 18 - 11PM
venuslovedpluto
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What if I'm wrong?

I just posted my story earlier today. It felt good to put it into words and get it all out. Up till this point it's felt like a nightmare but also like a crazed painting or something. Maybe a Picasso. I am in "no contact" right now but I know I'm only doing it halfway, I've still been text messaging him. Talking to him on the phone a little bit. It's been 10 months since the bomb dropped...finding out he was married. Married. I knew him for over 5 years and he hid it from me the whole way. We were only in what I thought of as our "relationship" for half of that but it doesn't matter, it was still a lie that started from day 1. And his intentions from day one were to be with me and his guise was that of a single, interested, emotionally available man. And it wasn't just one lie, it was all the pieces that supported it...the story is so long, I could and should add to it. There are several things that I still think about that are so upsetting to me. Things that make me think that I was not just lied to, that I was bitten too. Over and over.

The thing that I'm having trouble with is my mind telling me; "wait...he's human too, we all screw up, we all have an ego too, what if he does love me and I'm about to walk away before I've even gotten to see what he does now that the truth is out, now that he has a chance to live outside of the lie that he twisted his life into? He made a mistake." Am I just completely deluded? I guess my rationale is that I've lied, I've messed up, plenty of times. I've cheated on a boyfriend. It was once but I still did it. I've lied before and tried to hide it.

I also ask myself why I expect the way he loves to look like mine. He's a guy, he's 23 years older, is German, is a different person entirely. I know that there are certain things that I'm not capable of doing but there aren't rules or standards that I can or should hold anyone else to.

But the I step back further and say wait...I do deserve to be loved the way I need to and want to. I don't have to settle for his brand of love, it's different than how I love but not great-different. It's hollow-different. I'm realizing that I'm going to need a lot of help through this. I'm doing a lot of second guessing myself and I'm missing the guy that I thought he was so much. It's almost like I'm obsessed with getting back in touch with that man and staying there. But making sure this time that it's authentic, that he's not lying or screwing around behind my back. And I'm not stupid, I would be sooo gone if I thought he really was. But he's been sweet, open with what he's doing at any given time, offering to tell me what he's up to, wanting to show me receipts, telling me I can call anytime, has had friends call me and talk to me even (he offered, I never asked) and he's been telling me constantly that he's sorry and after seeing the pain that everyone experienced, he could never dream of hurting me or anyone, would rather hurt himself. That it was a marriage that he'd wanted out of that he lied about. Not that he's some "cassanova" (his word), messing around all over the place with all kinds of people and hiding it. Tells me he's not like that, not even close. I want to believe him so badly.

I still have that feeling though. That something is off. I guess for some reason I also want to make sure I've identified him correctly as a NP. He seems to fit, trait-wise. What exactly does this mean for me if he is? That there is just no way? That there is NO such thing as a relationship with this man? Is there ever a person who has these traits but is still a good person, still has a good heart, just needs to find someone they balance right with? How did he have a marriage that worked for 30 years if he's just an image? Why is this so important to me? Figuring this all out? I've never been so confused. I've been researching this for awhile so I know the answers to these questions but I still ask them anyway. Ask myself. Wonder if there's a way because I so badly want this to be a vivid nightmare that I'm going to wake up from, shake off so I can just be happy with him.

Sometimes I even tell myself, so what if he hunts other women? As long as he tells me about it if he's curious or bored I could live with that. As long as he's honest. But I suppose he just says he would be and would have no problem being straight up about that. I don't want to marry him or have his babies, I just want to be with him. There are no guarantees with anything in life anyway. But I know I don't want to be anyone's fool. I guess I know inside myself that he made me his and it's too big a slap in the face to overlook. I just have to be stronger than this. I have to let go of that image of that perfect-for-me guy. And the ease of how this felt in the beginning. It kills me though. I don't have a driving need to find someone. I don't even want to be with someone else, can't imagine it. But I'm now scared to death that I never will want to. He tells me I've ruined him for all other women. I used to smile at him and tell him I feel the same. And I do. Like he's ruined me for all other men. He has no idea.

I refuse to let that be so. I'm so young still. I have so much love to give. I'm optimistic, caring, happy. What happened to me? That doesn't even sound like a true description of me anymore. =(

Feb 19 - 8AM
quietude (not verified)
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venusloved...

I know how much it hurts to love someone, giving everything you've got, even thinking it is being returned, but only to find out it is not, and was it ever, really?? If you've read the boards, you know 'what happened to you', and why you don't feel like yourself... You are grieving, and it sounds like you're bargaining with and doubting yourself right now. These are very normal feelings for what you've been through. I remember thinking that something was terribly wrong with my relationship, but I'm no quitter! And I was determined to make things right, and try as hard as I possibly can. Of course, none of that matters when you're with an N. You can be the greatest, most perfect, most beautiful woman on the planet, and they will still be what they are. If you go along with this line of thinking...(maybe he ain't so bad)...just know what you do have. Have zero expectations of him making you truly happy, and you will have to be satisfied for the occasional crumb he tosses in your direction (which, as victims, we often are, and look at small jestures as earth shattering events). My ex pulled the soul-mate line too...that I was apparently the best thing since sliced bread, the ONLY woman he truly loved, connected with, and understood him. Uhuh! I'm so glad you're still optimistic, caring, and happy...all great qualities the people on the board share as well. This is who they target. The don't want to date hard-asses who have no compassion for them. But please hang on to those qualities, it's what separates us from the non-humans...the jerks we hooked up with. The differnce now is, we are armed with information...watching out for red flags, etc. Take good care, you deserve so much better than not to be #1 on someone's priority list.
Feb 19 - 4AM
rache
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I would bet!

That 30 year marriage was held together by a wife who wanted to believe in that good guy image he projected!THINK of her=SHE stayed with him for 30 years!!!!!!!!!!30 years of her life devoted to a cheating,lying SOB!PUT yourself in her shoes.HOW would you feel?CHECK your heart.
Feb 19 - 4AM (Reply to #5)
rache
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cheating

I also would bet you were not the first!
Feb 19 - 4AM
rache
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you know the truth

IF you suspect hes a narc=he is.IF it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck its a duck.And a narcissist never changes.EVER!He will cheat and lie on you in time....could be long or short but he WILL do you the way he has done other/s.
Feb 19 - 12AM
Barbara (not verified)
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if...

if you're wrong - are you just WISHING you're wrong? if you're right - you have a lot of reading here to do to grasp the severe mind control & manipulation he did to you - the emotional & psychological rape you've been put through. And a lot of serious trauma counseling to do. That is - if you want to heal, get past the PTSD/ trauma and start living again. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Feb 19 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
becoming sane
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The article Barbara put up that opened my eyes

So how do we protect ourselves from being taken in by a covertly aggressive and manipulative person? By bearing in mind that they lie, they lie often, and they usually lie by leaving out important facts. You must proceed on the presumption that they are lying; not that they are telling the truth until and unless you can prove otherwise. I wrote this a year ago: They [narcissists] lie. They lie by omission, commission, by a look, by a sigh, by insinuation. They are the personification of a lie. We, the honest-in-heart, have a hard time conceptualizing someone who exists entirely in a lie. It is not socially acceptable to allow our first presumption to be that someone is lying. Especially when it is a parent. No, we are to presume they are representing the truth...and only accept that it was a lie when it can absolutely be proven to be one. Once a lie has been proven you then have to shift back to the default position of presumption of the truth. It is this default position that screws us up over and over.The sad, yet absolute, fact is that the default position when dealing with a narcissist is that they are lying. The anomaly with a N is when they tell the truth. They so seldom tell the truth that you don't even have to worry about mistaking that truth for a lie. They don't deserve to have us believe one thing they say or insinuate. If we presume that whatever they are doing, whatever they are saying, is designed to manipulate and deceive, then we are in a much safer and saner position. I would have been more accurate if I stated that they lie even when they are telling the truth! To call someone a manipulator is to call them a liar. The definition of the word 'manipulate' when it applies to interpersonal relationships always includes the concept of deviousness. The manipulator, therefore, is a living, breathing lie. Once you've figured out that someone you know is a chronic manipulator, then you must also admit that they are a chronic liar if you are to deal appropriately with them. Proceed according to that knowledge. To assume they are ever being truthful is to set yourself up to be taken yet again. Mr. Do-Gooder may tell you that you are a bad person for assuming the worst of someone, but you are wiser than he. You know there is no virtue in being someone's perpetual dupe.