Update--please read...and please help me?

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#1 Apr 7 - 7PM
Deidre40
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Update--please read...and please help me?

Hi all;

I posted this morning, a thread. I made the horrible mistake of calling him at work this morning, whereby he tells me tonight, that he 'got in trouble' from that phone call. Not sure if he's lying. Don't know. I feel bad if he did, but what kind of job doesn't let you get a personal call ALL DAY? Really?? haha I don't buy it. Just another control thing.

Ok. So, I call him around 5pm. Another horrible mistake! He normally gets off at 5:30...but sometimes, he works these projects in 12 hour days. So, I simply called and this is how he answers the phone...''I'm still fucking here!'' I'm like...oook. I was just wondering if you're working a 12 today. He says...''No, I'll be off soon and will call you. I told you not to call me.''

Ok...so he calls me on my commute home from work...He proceeds to ream me that I got him in trouble. How I am not supportive in this job. How I'm not understanding. How I don't listen when he speaks. And on and on it went. Then the final thing? He said...''you know Dee? I think you're trying to sabotage this relationship and get me to break up with you.'' I said...''if you want me to go away, I will.'' He then said...''GO AWAY THEN...'' AND?????? Hung up! Yeah! Oh yeah! lmao! I can laugh now, wasn't laughing then.

I shut the phone off. I said...'self? you are NOT calling him back.' So, I got home. I turned my phone on...he had left a vm msg AND a few texts. That he loves me, he doesn't understand why I'm 'acting' this way. He doesn't understand why I can't be supportive and understanding of his job. (this was in voicemail) Then, his text said...If you want this to last, please call me tonight ...before I go to bed. (he has to get up at 4am) If I don't hear from you, I'll know you don't want this.

So, I didn't reply. He texted me again. See...what's interesting to note...is that he's losing control. When we don't reply ladies, they tend to get unhinged. Not because he loves me, but because he's going to 'lose.'

So, I called him tonight. I know what you're thinking. In a way...I wish I hadn't. But, I did. WHEN I end this...I don't want it to be just disappearing in silence. I believe in closure. With narcs, closure isn't always possible. I know this.

So...get this...He basically talks in a demeaning tone to me tonight. Tells me that I need to understand and...''be the good gf he knows I can be.'' haha Unreal, isn't it? I tried to speak...and he said...I need to go to sleep. I am sick, and need my rest. I will text you in the morning, and call you when I'm off. I answered...''ok.'' We then said goodbye.

I'm not exaggerating. And I mulled this whole thing over, and thought to myself...how did I get here. Oh, I did get something in edgewise. I told him tonight...''I don't want to be told how bad I am all the time.'' He said...''Then, be the supportive, loving person I know you can be.'' I KNOW YOU CAN BE? So, in other words Dee...you are not loving and supportive...and you gotta jump through another one of my fucking hoops, baby.

So, rather than argue. We ended the call.

Please tell me what to do now. I will eventually go NC, but I'm not just going to go NC now. That's not how you end a relationship. But, eventually, when you do say ''goodbye''...I firmly believe in NC.

So...what do you think I should do? I have a lot going on at work, and don't want to end things tomorrow. I don't need the drama or stress. I was thinking of telling him on Saturday...when I have off...that 'this isn't working. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong anymore...it's just not working. I wish you well.'' <<< IN TEXT OF COURSE :D

What do you think?

Apr 8 - 8AM
helldweller
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Deirdre

After I found out about his five other women, he wanted ME to swear "On my daughters' lives" that I really loved him because he didn't trust me. The weirdest thing was that HE had sworn on his son's life about stuff that he was lying about, so swearing on your child's life didn't even mean anything to him. Well, it means a hell of a lot to me and I refused to do it, for so many reasons. He took that as evidence that I didn't really love him. You need to stop talking to that guy. They are all insane. Yours sounds just like mine.
Apr 8 - 5AM
onwithmylife
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Deidre,I asked you

in an earlier post when you were complaining about your boyfriend and never got a reply, WHY do you keep staying with HIM, end it one way or another but like everyone said it is not a reciprocating relationship, it is on his terms and his control, who cares how it ends, they never give us any closure and if you try and end it nicely, he might drag you and the relationship on and on.
Apr 8 - 6AM (Reply to #28)
Deidre40
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AND TO THAT...I say...YOU ARE

AND TO THAT...I say...YOU ARE RIGHT! LOL Read my update. I'm done...and going NC. Please pray for me...that I do not buckle...no matter what he responds.
Apr 7 - 9PM
Steph
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Don't worry about the proper

Don't worry about the proper way to "end a relationship". he has basically said " support me and agree with me with everything, or else....." That is NOT a relationship. You deserve better than that. Whether you tell him over a call or over a text and whether you do this tomorrow or on Saturday....doesn't matter.....he won't get it anyways. Nothing will change between now and saturday...he will not have an epiphany in the next few days and become a great guy. Stick with your gut. End it now, in your mind, make it OVER and go NC You don't owe him any explanations.
Apr 7 - 8PM
ImStrong
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Oh and ps your at the devalue

Oh and ps your at the devalue stage of D&D...He definitly wants the relationship to be over..he also may already have your replacement lined up.. so start protecting yourself rather than worrying about closure with a narc...hes not worying one bit..hes devaluing you

"In the fiery pit lays a man with two faces.One is the face of a God and the other a face of the Devil.Beware He lurks your souls.Keep one hand on your heart and the other hand over your eyes. Let him walk pass you not into you.Ghost of love will possess

Apr 7 - 8PM
Deidre40
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Oh...and to add insult to

Oh...and to add insult to injury. He never once said he got the pics I sent. haha! I need to be done. He loves my body, and he probably knew that would hurt me. I'mstrong...you are right. Being hurt is a familiar feeling. I can't say I like it. But, it's familiar. Did you know the word familiar comes from the word...FAMILY? Where I was first abused. So... some habits die hard. But, I want this one to die. Thanks for caring, I'mstrong and replying here.
Apr 7 - 9PM (Reply to #24)
ImStrong
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Yes I did know that..but its

Yes I did know that..but its not your family. You are the only one who can look after you..know one can..you are literally one of the sweetest person I have talk to..when everytime he devalues you and you post it..it urks my last nerv and also hurt..why because I know you feel this is family..pain is family..toxic is family...you have to rise above this and find that closure in yourself firs before having closure with a narc..you see a lot of ladies dont know that..similar to jaycee reacting to her narc..shes going nuts blaiming hating herself..for nothing pain is familiar to her too..pain is good to her to..she trying to find closure from the narc like you too..when she needs to be finding closure through herself and from herself... You can only bring closure inside..it has zero to do with the narc..

"In the fiery pit lays a man with two faces.One is the face of a God and the other a face of the Devil.Beware He lurks your souls.Keep one hand on your heart and the other hand over your eyes. Let him walk pass you not into you.Ghost of love will possess

Apr 7 - 8PM
ImStrong
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Deidre I think all of us need

Deidre I think all of us need to change it around at some point in there life ...you cant keep doing the same things you would do in a "normal" relationship with a narc... You always want to end your relationships with closure..how about this time you just go NC.... Take a risk this time Deidre.. Narc are not real relationships..they are toxic relationships ..you are inlove with the brain washing and mind fucking he has done to you..at this point you dont know what love is becauae you only know toxic Your a abuse addict...and feeling abused feels good to you. That is why you want to "die in honor" bow out in a respectful way..by having closure... We dont ever have closure..you must understand that... He is controling you in almost everyway possible by messing with your mind like that above.. I constintly say this we are afraid of being alone that is why we jump on next narc... You have to learn on your own paste..and I believe your learning.. Remember you know way too much now..you can fight this because your strong...

"In the fiery pit lays a man with two faces.One is the face of a God and the other a face of the Devil.Beware He lurks your souls.Keep one hand on your heart and the other hand over your eyes. Let him walk pass you not into you.Ghost of love will possess

Apr 7 - 8PM
Journey
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Ok, wow

This happened: Then the final thing? He said...''you know Dee? I think you're trying to sabotage this relationship and get me to break up with you.'' I said...''if you want me to go away, I will.'' He then said...''GO AWAY THEN...'' AND?????? Hung up! Deirdre, what part of that says it is NOT over? I know you want proper closure, but I think you are also still hoping this man is not disordered and really cares about you. Now you are wondering what he will do next, if he will end it tomorrow etc. and that is only causing more stress for yourself. What he will do is more of the same, because you are allowing it. Yes, that is blunt, I'm sorry. You tell him you won't accept something but what ends up happening is that you actually do by continuing to respond at all and by listening to his apology and continuing to talk with him as if he deserves your time and energy. I really think this man is a psychopath. Narc is too nice a word for him. I'm sorry if I am being too forward and not sensitive to how hurt you may feel right now. I just can see so clearly that you know what to do, step up for yourself!

Journey on...

Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #20)
Deidre40
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Hi Journey...You know, it's

Hi Journey...You know, it's ok. I need to hear this. Coddling me is only going to candy coat the truth...and I've done that myself for far too long. So no worries...thank you. Question...him being a psychopath...what do you mean? Like why do you think this? I'm curious. The thing is. When he said go away then...I did. I didn't reply. Looking at my phone 30 minutes later, he left a vm and a texts...and so he says things that have no meaning. But they are designed to hurt. If you or I break up with someone, we mean it. We don't throw around threats...and words like that. I don't know if I'm making sense. In a strange way, I knew he said it to get me to go 'nutty' and call him like crazy...but I didn't. His threat or whatever it was...backfired. And so will any bullshit he slings my way tomorrow. I'm different than the last narc. I was a weepy cowardly woman last year...but, now, I am stronger. I don't like that I'm so angry. I pray that dissipates. Gosh, I just want peace in my life again.
Apr 8 - 1AM (Reply to #21)
Journey
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To answer your question

Why I think he is a psychopath: you said "...and so he says things that have no meaning. But they are designed to hurt." - that is one reason right there. Did you look at the link I posted in your other Topic? Originally Michele posted to an article there and I read it, then became engrossed and I think I read them all. The site focuses more on psychos and I've read that all psychos are narcissistic, but not all narcs are psychopaths. Saying things that are 'designed to hurt' is a good example actually. A narc hurts us almost by ignorance, lack of empathy and selfish agenda. A psychopath is more purposeful in their hurting, they are more dangerous because it is more of a plan or design to take advantage of us in a more calculated way (in my understanding). Narcs manipulate and lie, but not always because they want to hurt us. They hurt us because they manipulate and lie. I hope I'm explaining it right. If you haven't done so, read this "how to identify red flags" page and you can browse from there to other topics if you want): http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/red-flags-how-to-identify-a-psychopathic-bond/ All I know is that I read all those articles only a couple nights before reading your initial description and his behavior seems to fit strongly with the pathology.

Journey on...

Apr 7 - 8PM
michele115 (not verified)
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D...

You do seem to read all of this very clearly...all of it. AND you seem to know that the end has to come to pass. So, I'm not sure exactly what you'd like to hear. You are right in all of it. It's Thursday...Saturday seems fine but the only challenge is that a D&D might occur before then are you ready?
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #17)
Deidre40
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ideal and michelle... If he

ideal and michelle... If he does not end it. If he gives me the silent treatment. What would you do? Just go NC for good? Forever? Ok...suppose he THEN, after feeling he's taught me a lesson...he texts me in the afternoon...should I still stay NC? This is what I need to prepare for. I could see him thinking he's getting to me by ignoring me. Which he's not. I ignored him tonight, and he went nuts. So...whatever. So, my question is...if that plays out above...what do you suggest?
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #18)
michele115 (not verified)
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AFter the BS today....

If it were me...I'd send a text it's over and change my number but that's me. I'd change my number only because I know that once they lose control, they play games to get back the control and smash you harder....cause you need to "know your place" I'd block his emails, and his number from my celly.
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
Deidre40
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michelle...you mean he

michelle...you mean he d&d-ing ME? Yes...if he sends me a text/vm tomorrow saying he woke up feeling we should end this...I will go NC. I have nothing more to say to him. Right now, it doesn't matter to me if he thinks I'm horrible...or a bitch...or whatever. Oh...tonight. I just remembered this...after he told me my actions are inconsiderate and rude...and I'm insecure. I said...''So why are you with me?'' He said...Because I love you. I then said...''so, you love insecure, inconsiderate and rude people?'' He was silent. But to answer your question michelle...I plan to NC if he does anything that I PERCEIVE as negative.
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
michele115 (not verified)
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D

Just be on guard as he may try to build you up to shake you down. So let's hope you can cut the chords by saturday before he does it. BE.ON.GUARD. Expect it. AND know what it is - I hope you can do the dumping before he does.... There is just something about being the dumpee in these cases...cause they do it so covertly... BUT you are expecting it...I think you in a sense already see it...its just the waiting game... If it were me, I'd be doing it tonight, but I trust you have your reasons. Hugs
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #9)
Deidre40
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The only thing I will say

The only thing I will say about him is this...he told me that he has had 4 failed marriages, and he wants to work on anything and everything, in his next relationship. He wants to marry me...(maybe not after tonight) ha! But, he told me tonight...If you can't be supportive in my job...then we'll have problems. He didn't say...''well break up.'' I thought it was telling. ideal and michelle...thank you so much for reading and helping me here. I know what to do. It's just doing it.
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #10)
michele115 (not verified)
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And diedre...

Presdient Obama has time to take a call from Michele *not me*...his wife...LOL!
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
Deidre40
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michelle and ideal

LOL! Yep! :=) @ ideal...but why did he call back? why did he say i love you? why did he say he wants to be with me, and do i want this to work? if he is d&d-ing me...why didn't he just leave it alone after ''go away then'' when he said that today? i'm not debating you. haha i'm truly trying to understand so i can prepare myself.
Apr 8 - 12AM (Reply to #16)
Journey
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Deirdre, if I may...

Just because he's devaluing you right now doesn't mean he is ready to discard you. He calls and says those 'nice' things because he probably isn't done with you yet, but it is a sick test to push your boundaries and see how far he can go. Hence the calls and asking forgiveness, excuses etc. - he doesn't really want to go to far and 'lose' you, but there is an evaluation going on. Each time you soften with him after being treated poorly he has gained valuable knowledge of how to manipulate your forgiving and loving nature and which control and abuse tactics are most useful to wear you down and confuse your perspective. It's that whole thing that Dr. Phil says "we teach people how to treat us" You have one up on him now though because you have come back here to understand what's really going on and HE doesn't know we've got your back!! Huh!

Journey on...

Apr 7 - 9PM (Reply to #15)
Hunter
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D

Because they always leave the door open for supply! See they turn shit around! It's s lose,lose situation! He knows you caught on so if you shut him down first he can say it was your fault. If it continuesthen he can discard you like the psycho He is
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #12)
Steph
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cuz he wants you to spill the

cuz he wants you to spill the beans and gush over him. beg him. tell him how wonderful he is and how you really want to be with him and make things work. he's looking for an ego stroke. Don't give it to him!
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #13)
Deidre40
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to >>> staying strong

aaahhhh!!!! ok...I see now. Thank you!!! Gosh, I am grateful for this board. I really am. I am heading to bed...and will update you all tomorrow morning. Your support is important to me! Thank you, everyone. Please keep me in your thoughts/prayers tonight. That I stay strong. That I don't crumble.
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #14)
Steph
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one night at a time! Don't

one night at a time! Don't crumble tonight....come here first if you think you will...the gals shall set you straight! sleep well. You will get through this!
Apr 7 - 7PM
Hunter
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D

I think he will give the silent treatment now. He got in trouble at his job for a phone call? Then don't answer the phone asshole. Just let it be, this dude is a nut case. There is no plan when dealing with these freaks. Sorry to say, It is what it is? Or he is what he is "Disordered." Mine said all these same things. It could have been the same conversation. Idiots. Idealk
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #4)
Deidre40
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Yeah? Right? Don't answer the

Yeah? Right? Don't answer the phone. Really?? You remember the same types of conversations??? OMG...you're kidding. lol I wish this on no one...but, glad we are not alone here. It helps me know I'm sane! He makes me feel insane. He even used the word...''nutty'' tonight. UGH! I just remember that. So, you think he'll go into silent mode tomorrow? Good. Because anything that I perceive as negative, I'm going NC. If he: *ends it...that wouldn't necessarily be negative, but you know what I mean *reams me again *says negative things about me *doesn't text purposely I will go NC. I truly will. Hey, took me a while with the narc from last year...but eventually I did it. :=) This is just so raw right now. But, I need a gameplan. I really wonder if you'll be right. Oh wait...you said that he'd call me a bitch ...you were close. he said I suck as a gf (in so many words) hahaha!
Apr 7 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
Hunter
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You are in the middle of a

You are in the middle of a D&D! Are you enjoying this abusive behavior? What r u looking 4 here? Right now you have the upper hand! Shut it down, NC ASAP Idealk
Apr 7 - 7PM
Deidre40
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Oh yeah...I forgot to

Oh yeah...I forgot to add...he told me I'm 'insecure' and I need to text him all day, and have immediate responses...(I don't text him all day, I assure you, I have a job too) and he can't give me immediate responses. If he ends it tomorrow. Maybe he sleeps on it, and decides to leave me a vm msg or text ending it...that would be a blessing. I won't have to do it. And I will NOT reply. Ever. Then, I will go into NC mode. I was telling my friend tonight all this. She said, if you think you're going to end it or he is going to end it and leave you alone...you're nuts. I said why do you say that? If he ends it, why would he keep bothering me? She said...because he wants you to chase him...plead...beg...you not calling him back today, threw him and caused him to send you text after text (like the other night when he hung up on me) and then a vm msg. I don't really care if he thinks I'm rude, insecure...and a BAAAD GF. I don't. I wasn't sad over all that tonight. I am sad that I got involved with another narc. After all it took to get over the last one ...That's why I'm so upset. And that of course, I believed the good stuff. He used to say such good good stuff. And ...somewhere along the lines, it evaporated like dew on a leaf.
Apr 8 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
momoya
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Drama Drama Drama

I think one of the main conection to all NArcs is the start of the drama/arguments. Did you know that some people really like to argue? Dierde you seem to know alot about Narcs, you are on a narc forum. All the info point to the fact what you need to do is take control and decide what you want. His behavior is unacceptable and you are waiting for him to decide to do..what? break up with you? Is he done with his toy now? SO He has to end it>? you are going to accept this treatment, put downs, ignoring until he decides he is done with you? He is insulting you. He is ignoring you. He is controlling communication until it is convenient for him. It's not at all about you or any closure. There are no victims. Only volunteers. Best to you!

momoya