To a T for me

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#1 Oct 27 - 4PM
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To a T for me

http://www.gettinbetter.com/casanova.html

Casanova mother enmeshed Narc...

NC all the way sisters...ALL The way..

Oct 27 - 10PM
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GREAT article! The Fast

GREAT article! The Fast Forwarders (below) is also a must read! Thanks for posting. Peace. J

Peace. J

Oct 27 - 7PM
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GREAT articles!

I also read the article about borderlines/Narcs marrying each other. Yes, we tend to think Ns/Ps prey on vulnerable, human supply... but as the Casanova article says, when two borderlines bond, the "game can go on infinitely." In a sense, it's a match. In a perverse way. No wonder I HOPED the OW who married the ex-P was a Narc;there'd be mutual understanding,they'd see the world the same way;a perverse sort of harmony. She wouldn't get hurt because she'd have the same fears and drama as him. BPDs DO end up with each other.... and that might be a good thing for us normals... LOL... I like what that Casanova article says about "don't fall in love with a man's potential"--so TRUE! My mother said the same thing about the ex-P. I was smitten with his potential... not with him. Thank God he's not my husband, and NOT her son in-law!
Oct 27 - 8PM (Reply to #10)
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For a while there , I thought I was a creepy narc. B/c I attracted him ... So when I read rthe BPD's Do end up with each other, I was like EEEEEEEEEK.... You know I read your story about the teach, & he must of been SOMETHING ELSE. I mean I know I felt addicted to my X b/c of the sex and the closeness , like I said before he would hug me so hard my back would crack.. So that ex teach of yours must of been one for the books.....
Oct 27 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
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One for the books...

The ONLY sex I had with the ex-P was in my dreams... really. Thank goodness it wasn't for real, then I would've been addicted by oxycotin,not to mention the STD and pregnancy dangers. What's bizarre is that right before the D&D I had intensely sexual dreams about him... but during the D&D, they immediately ceased. It was like a faucet turning off. I was EMOTIONALLY addicted. The drama. And the fact that yes, psychopaths do exude more testosterone than average men. In a sense, I was probably addicted to the LACK of closeness. Unlike a normal man, he wanted ME to do the pursuing. There was also the sexual attractiveness... which he gradually lost. It's like he became Dorian Gray's attic painting in 4 years. The ex-P is creepily like Mr. Schuester on Fox's GLEE. The IO9 blog even refers to Mr. Schue as "creepy" and "perverse." In the Ballads episode, Mr. Schue punishes a cheerleader for having a crush on him. He makes her do tedious chores at his house, then ushers her to the bedside of a comatose student who attempted suicide because he rejected her. He tells the cheerleader that she's smitten due to low self-esteem (I've heard that one,thankyou),and that one day she'll find a man who will respect her (as if teachers shouldn't respect their students? WTH?) The cheerleader apologizes for her feelings for him... like I did. The Ballads episode sounded waaay too close to what I went through (with the exception of the suicide attempt) Reading the episode summary on Wikipedia, it was triggering. I got teary. The more I read, the gladder I am the teach NEVER got to the boyfriend/lover level. I think it's BECAUSE he was so cold&emotionless and that I didn't trust him that I didn't have sex with him. If he had acted in a trustworthy way, if he hadn't been psychopathic/narcissistic... in other words, if he had been HUMAN... I would've jumped into bed with him.
Oct 27 - 7PM
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Fast Forwarding: When

Fast Forwarding: When Someone Speeds You Through Dating by NML on October 27, 2010 A friend went on The Best Date Ever. Originally scheduled as a lunchtime meet, it lasted all day and into the night. The following day she said it felt like they’d known each other for weeks instead of hours. She never heard from him again. Another friend met a guy who she was half-heartedly interested in. He kept trying to pick up the pace of things and after some initial reluctance she let herself get swept up in it and started to trust him and her feelings increased. A weekend in the country, romantic walks in the park, lots of phone calls and texts, and then being introduced one night to his friends and colleagues who all said they’d never seen him like that, all in the space of a few weeks. It was the last time she saw him. I have countless emails from readers telling me stories of guys (and women) who moved the initial dating period along at high speed. From declarations of falling in love and ‘I love you’ when they’d barely known them a hot minute, conversations about babies, marriage, moving in, meeting parents and being whirled around like a show pony amongst friends, or hearing about how ‘Everyone is so eager to meet you’, to high intensity liaisons with persistence, great sex, average sex, and multiple phone calls, texts, emails, and letters in a bottle, all of these people have been whizzed at high speed through the early crucial stage of dating. It’s called Fast Forwarding and it’s a technique where someone sweeps you up in a tide of intensity when they’re pursuing you and you’re dating them that you end up missing crucial red flags. They either disappear when they start to feel panicky about the fact that you will want, need, and expect in line with the great show they have been putting on. Or…they just revert to the ‘real them’, ripping the rug from under your feet and replacing hot with cold and someone who you barely recognise. Fast Forwarders… - Push for emotional commitment and often sexual intimacy very quickly - Make you feel like the centre of their universe - Distract you from looking too closely at them - Can be emotionally demanding - Refer to the types of plans that people who have been in relationships far longer would discuss – marriage, babies, etc - Some will introduce you to friends, family (including their kids) very quickly - Say stuff like ‘But it feels like we have known each other for X months’ when you object to something and mention how you hardly know each other - Can be petulant and sulky when they don’t get their own way so you quickly learn to minimise conflict - Even though they appear to respect an asserted boundary, often quickly try to recross it - Are very persistent when you’re not interested in them - Will privately and sometimes openly think you’re The One pretty much immediately - Will be eager to ‘title the relationship’ and demand commitment even when you hardly know each other - Often have strings of high intensity short dalliances that fizzle out quickly - Overestimate their level of interest - Often veer between deflecting questions about themselves, oversharing, or telling lies and using selective omissionsPeople who engage in Fast Forwarding are Future Fakers, whether they directly do it by talking up a storm about plans or do it indirectly by behaving so intensely and putting so many demands on you (emotional, sexual, wanting to be with you all the time), that they let you believe that the level of intensity you are experiencing is what is on offer. You will use a number of the things that they fast forward you with as basis to trust them with – Trust Points. It’s crucial to remember that dating is a discovery period. You should date with a reasonable level of trust as a basis and your interactions serve as a series of checks and balances. Positive things increase your trust, dodgy stuff should have you rolling back and assessing the risk. Dating is a fact finding period where you should be discovering ‘facts’ that let you work out whether you can proceed, or whether you should be cautious, and/or abort the mission. If you love and trust blindly and get sucked into being moved along at high speed, you will be blind in the relationship when you actually have a responsibility to yourself to have your eyes open. Fast Forwarding creates a pseudo connection. Slowing down and actually getting to know each other at a healthier pace creates a real connection. I’ll be honest with you – while there are anomalies where people have had a whirlwind romance that progressed, in the overwhelming majority of cases, when someone wants to be intense immediately or very quickly and Fast Forwards you through the relationship, it is a red flag. In fact, let me say it real straight for you – this is not a fairy tale. You are not in Pretty Woman. You’re not in a rom com where you move at high speed to a happy ending. Also don’t you remove the mystery and stuff to look forward to when you try to do it all very quickly? Nuff said. If you are being Fast Forwarded you will miss crucial red flags that indicate that the relationship is unhealthy. Even without red flags, by Fast Forwarding the relationship, you will both create great expectations that may stifle the relationship before it has a chance to prosper. If you took things a bit more slowly, you could actually get to know each other. The high intensity of Fast Forwarded Relationships is impossible to sustain and when the intensity stops, it feels like you’ve crashed and burned. The relationships that survive (healthily) are ones where the two people have slowed down but are in essence still the same two people that met and there isn’t a dramatic shift in character and integrity. Being confident in yourself is also about believing that there isn’t a fire – you can take enough time to get to know each other without rushing to get your pants down and make big declarations. Be careful. People who tend to Fast Forward can go through their cycle in a few hours (ever met an intense person online who sent you several emails, pestered you and then disappeared?), a day, a night, a few dates, weeks, months, and in some cases, some can play the long game and draw it out for a year. The end result is the same – the hot tap switches over to cold or if you’re ‘lucky’, lukewarm. When you get swept up in someone Fast Forwarding you, you will basque in the adoration. Of course when they disappear or they replace ‘the model’ you got with a pared down version, you will wonder what was wrong with you to cause the loss of adoration. While it is very flattering when someone says they love you immediately or makes you the centre of their universe immediately, the fact of the matter is that they don’t know you enough to be sincere about it. Harsh, but true. I’m not saying that you’re not a wonderful person, but aren’t we giving ourselves and them too much credit by believing that our libido, powers of judgement and observation and awareness of our own values are so powerful that we can tell immediately based on looks, sexual chemistry, penis size, words etc that we (or they) love someone? Why do we allow ourselves to be Fast Forwarded? Well, we don’t like to appear to be spoil sports, many of us are not aware of the perils of red flags, and we second guess ourselves. In a startling number of stories, most of these people had some, if not a lot of reservations about the very person that was Fast Forwarding them. And let’s be real, it is flattering when someone seems to fancy the arse off us so much that they can’t seem to want to stop ripping off our clothes or saying we’re the best thing since sliced bread. If these people are still around in a year or two and your high intensity dalliance yields into something more steady, then good for you. However, the problem with people who Fast Forward is that they can’t cope with steadiness. They also make the mistake of being so OTT that they create expectations that they cannot deliver on. These people overestimate their level of interest because often the uncertainty of not knowing how you feel and needing to ‘win you over’ and ‘suck you in’, is what triggers their desire for you. When the relationship stops being new, they’re panicking about what you may be expecting, and they’re sure of your interest, the desire loses its ‘erection’. If you don’t hear from them again, they’ll have moved on and pressed The Reset Button with someone else…and lather, rinse, repeat. If they’re still around and things are going from bad to worse, you’ll be getting the hot and cold treatment while thinking ‘It was so great in the beginning! What happened to that guy?’ and then sinking all your efforts into trying to retrieve the beginning of the relationship. It’s nice to feel adored and if you’re a passion seeker that tends to talk about ‘type’ ‘compatability’ ‘common interests’ ‘passion’ ‘connection’ etc, you’ll be ripe for someone to Fast Forward the crap out of you and then feel desolate and inclined to go on the validation seeking trail when things start to go wrong. If you have Fast Forwarding habits, it’s a good time to address your beliefs and attitudes about dating because you’re setting yourself up for failure. In fact, I’d ask yourself how serious you are about finding a relationship because exerting this type of pressure so early on in the relationship not only tests the people out to see if they can meet your emotional demands, but a lot of the behaviour in Fast Forwarded Relationships is quite unhealthy. Why do you need to demand so much of the person and the relationship so early on? How much validation does your ego need? Isn’t this all a bit like an elaborate prank that goes way too far? But for those of you who get swept up in someone’s tide, you can enjoy yourself but it’s time you became aware of red flags, boundaries, and matching actions with words. You shouldn’t have to emotionally or literally commit to someone you hardly know. There is a reason why you were not interested and while sometimes we get things wrong, it’s important to assess why you weren’t interested rather than just letting yourself be swept along. If in doubt about someone’s actions and motives, the best thing you can do is put your foot down and press ‘Play’ and see how the relationship copes at a steady pace. If it’s already over, ‘Rewind’ the relationship tape and mentally play it back and you will spot the red flags.
Oct 28 - 5AM (Reply to #8)
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chickon2

So you know baggage reclaim as well!!!! Thats why you use assclown too. hahaha. Love that side, and have some nice friends from there.
Oct 27 - 4PM
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Oh I read that article before, thanks for the reminder and the share. I especially love that part, cause this is what the N did and still does: THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY (YOUR CONSTANT NEMESIS) Casanova might talk about his past lovers, and make comparisons between them and you. Since he can't feel passionate/dramatic yearning for someone unless she's out of reach, his feelings of "Love" are usually squandered on a former romance. A woman who's present, loving and available doesn't trigger the difficult emotions he learned as a boy, were about loving an unavailable parent. It's highly inappropriate for him to compare you to anyone else--and you should never tolerate it. This is his distancing tactic, which makes you feel less-than, or not good enough--and that's his intent. Why does he treat you so cruelly? So he can make you feel jealous/insecure, and exercise more control over you and the relationship! If you're sticking around, make sure he knows he can't abuse you like this any longer--and hope to keep you. A guy I knew, did this with every female he dated! If Howdy Doody (that's who he looked like) hadn't had just two redeeming qualities, I wouldn't have stayed past the third date. Being in love with a narcissistic male means you'll never feel busty enough, thin enough, bright enough, tall enough, etc. He may not convey his disdain or disappointment directly, but you will always feel inadequate. The truth is, he's insecure at his core--so he has to throw a shroud around your flame, to make his own glow a little brighter. He may never compliment you, but you'll surely know about the imperfections/deficits he sees in you. The narcissistic father does the same to his children. They grow up trying to please a parent who is not given to praise--unless their accomplishments reflect on him, and he can take credit for them. This behavior is wounding to their self-esteem, and drives compulsive perfectionism which can compromise their health.
Oct 27 - 4PM (Reply to #6)
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Jen79

Glad you are "seeing " it girlie.. :-)
Oct 27 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
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HMMMM.. I read this part 2 times.. I was trying to jog my memory of this.. I would ask him about his EX.. He never really said anything.. BUT the X was the one that dumped him (so he said) AND THe one he was all messed up over..He went on and on to everyone how she left him.. So I dunno THE part to a T for me the most is this one "Casanova makes sure you know how grateful he is to have finally found you, because you're "like no other woman" he's ever known. His enthusiasm and glee seem authentic: One of my ex's would initially remark how great it was, that he'd finally met a female who was his "intellectual equal." This elicited my prophetic response; I hope that what you're loving now, you won't start despising, later. Yes, I'd had warning signals just like you--and foolishly put them aside. He'd just recently left a long-term marriage, and I knew better. While he had dated a few others in-between, my concerns about the wisdom of our timing, were always met with vehement assurances that he'd wanted someone like me, his "whole life!" Before long, I threw caution to the wind--and it came back to bite me on the fanny. The brunt of his unhealed pain concerning the loss of other attachments was transferred to me--which couldn't help but create speed-bumps; he'd tried to monitor/control my eating, for one. His father (The Doctor) died of arterial disease, and his wife gained a huge amount of weight during their marriage. Two sizable abandonments, for sure--but while I'd gently point out that this stuff didn't belong with me, and assure him I wouldn't get fat or die anytime soon, this issue arose constantly! Resolving it, typically took hours. Mostly, our time together was marvelous, but the dialogues became exhausting--like working on my days off. No question, I was doing all the heavy lifting in that relationship; tears streamed down his face, whenever I'd try to engage him on any topic we were struggling with--no matter how soft my approach. This was his method of shutting-down, and deflecting resolution. When we'd get close to a breakthrough, he'd kitchen-sink me (re-referencing former issues that had previously been discussed and resolved), in an effort to throw me off track, and maintain control. In truth, I'd recognized his narcissism early on, and thought I could handle it--but this control issue kept rearing its ugly little head, and it was profoundly injurious to our bond." He wanted to control it all.. I could not take a sip of wine at all, without him having a fit.. Or finally crying about it. AND he would try to over feed me.. ( I guess he hated me losing weight and working out) crazy...
Oct 27 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
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chickon2

In the first D&D, he wanted to control my sexual behavviour. His favorite saying was: I like you doing what I say. And he said terrible things, like have sex with a stranger, make a video of it and send to me. Such things, total psycho. And first I heard those lines too, you are the woman I was searching for 30 years. And we are like "notting hill" the movie. And blahblah. Its so ubelievable how they all resemble each other.
Oct 27 - 7PM (Reply to #5)
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Holy!

Exact same!!!!!! my jaw just dropped!
Oct 27 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
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Jen79

I guess I didn't stay with him long enough to hear the realy nasty stuff.. Have sex with a stranger? lordy.. ick Mine was soo jealous, I mean.. He would look at a good looking guy before I would to see if i was looking at the guy or not (or maybe he is really gay.. ) sigh BUT you never know I could of stayed with him longer and God knows what shenanigans he would of came up with.. This part of the article is EXACTLY the ExN too "Along these lines, Borderlines may alter their identity. They'll adopt a name or nickname that's different than the one they were given at birth. Just as plastic surgeries and body ornaments/tattoos change one's self-perceptions, Casanova could attempt to elevate himself to higher status, by shedding his persona in favor of a new one. This may take the form of choosing the name of a famous celebrity or historical figure, and it's rooted in self-loathing." He would sign EVERYTHING that was not legal, with The name of, Clark Kent.. B/c he is OBSESSED with that superhero he becomes. He said to me once, I want to find a phone booth one day so you can take a pic of me taking off my shirt and having the S show I was like Um, you don't have a real costume on underneath???helloooooo???????????