Smooth Operator

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#1 Mar 27 - 7PM
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Smooth Operator

So I've ordered Lisa's book and another one (freeing yourself from the narcissist in your life). I've just finished Women Who Love Psychopaths...and it was just mind-boggling how it was so my story. Lots of little pieces, little comments, little questions just clicking into place now, like the Rubik's cube solution coming together. (If they are a puzzle, it's definitely a 3-dimensional one!!)

I was talking about "the stare" on another thread. Reading about that was amazing. I made this thread to just talk myself thru some of the puzzle pieces.

He said a lot of little things that made the little voice say *he's done this before.* And yet that didn't add up quite right either at the time. It does now of course.

One thing he did that was fricking brilliant...was to actually TELL the truth about every detail that was fact-checkable. I mean, if he'd said or implied he was a Navy SEAL or CIA operative I would have laughed in his virtual face. My dad was a counter-intelligence agent and special forces, so that one would never work on me. I'd think, internet predator!!!! Instead, he was gradually revealing his background and damn, but it was too good to be true. I was very skeptical. But it was all true. I was following the red herring of schools and jobs and athletics...things I might not believe..but damn, it was all true. He was so honest, he was TELLING THE TRUTH. He was telling the truth about his wife's affairs. I could even find THAT online. (high profile). OMG. It's for real. He was *trustworthy.* Of course, his nature and his personality...*that* wasn't the truth.

When he broke up with me... he was so sad. I mean, obviously this is why he targets married women..."it can never be." From day one. Sooo Bridges of Madison County. And if she does get pissed...what's she gonna say? Who's she gonna tell?? She's not going to out herself. Anyway, he was so bummed out, and we were both so torn apart (ahem) and this was on IM of course...I'm crying. But I really understood. I'm understanding like that. ;) But then he says...are you going to treat me like shit now? And I was like...what?? Of course not. "No," I say, "I love you." I probably said something asinine about us kissing each others' tears away. But..that little voice said it..*he's done this before.* But I was so upset my world was upside down anyway, I didn't really listen to the voice.

The other thing he did and I think I believe him in retrospect...is that he had written me several poems, and when he was breaking up with me, he got very emotional about it, and kept talking about the poems. Said he wrote those for ME, that he only did that for ME, those were MY poems, and to save them and read them for times when I was down. (Um, hello, I'm down because of YOU!). He was very urgent about it. It was kind of weird, in the way that it didn't *quite* make sense at the time...but there was something damned different and important to him about those poems. Anyway, I think (and I really don't think i'm rationalizing this one), that he really hadn't done that trick before. Just remembering all his comments...anyway, I'm sure he's used them again though. lol

He wrote me a song too. Played it on the guitar for me over the phone. It went back to a previous conversation, the first really emotionally intimate conversation we had. And he based it on HIS words...so IOW..he laid the bait, by saying the words, and then "spontaneously" writing a song about it. But shit, he could have done that a dozen times!! It did reference things we talked about, but he could have driven that totally. I don't know, smoke and mirrors. Maybe he's creative with each chick, I don't know. Seems like a lot of work though.

Mar 29 - 12PM
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The ode to his disrespecting

The ode to his disrespecting and playing you with the poems is a nice touch. You are smart he romances married women, then does a drama, and leaves. All very above-board as 'we can never be'. I was on a plane when a narcissist pitched me with a story about a recent divorce and it had specific details and one was the wife took him for 7 million dollars. that is enough money to cause any human being to empathize. He wanted my phone number so I gave him my card. When he saw I was an investigator he lost interest immediately. His real information was that he was married, no millions, just a story on a plane to get a stranger into his game. 3 years later I was at a dinner and the woman across from me was telling us how she was dating a man she met on a plane whose wife took him for 7 million dollars in a divorce. It was the same guy recycling his 'I' story and picking up women who felt sorry for his traumatic experience: the woman at the dinner actually loaned him money! Carolyn
Mar 29 - 12PM (Reply to #17)
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WOW! How wild that you met

WOW! How wild that you met her!! I also laughed when you said he lost interest when he saw you were an investigator. Maybe that should be my "story" about myself in the future. Oh, I'm a private investigator, what do you do? LOL Great screening technique.
Mar 29 - 12PM
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Several times I've made

Several times I've made mention about these Aussies...I read this news story today. This culture never ceases to amaze me: a toad killing FESTIVAL. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090329/ap_on_re_as/as_australia_toad_day_out "To see the look on the faces of the kids as we were handling and weighing the toads and then euthanizing them was just...," Townsville City Councilman Vern Veitch said, breaking off to let out a contented sigh. "The children really got into the character of the event." The...psychopathic character of the event?? (Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with eradicating pest species...it's just the um..enjoyment..of it I find strange)
Mar 29 - 1PM (Reply to #15)
Barbara (not verified)
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don't forget

Early Americans used to go on mass Buffalo kills. Because they were "in the way" of progress. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious
Mar 28 - 4PM
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yep - the AHA moment

I remember when the police showed me all of psycho-boys hooker reviews. WORD FOR WORD the cybersex and love bombing he'd pulled on me... and a couple other women. WORD FOR WORD. He probably practiced unhooking bras until he got it right. UGH! It's all about parts, technique - NO EMOTION. NONE. They just hope that our good brains will FILL IN THE BLANKS to make them seem sooooo wonderful.... blech! ~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious
Mar 29 - 10AM (Reply to #11)
Mariline
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About poems He once wrote me

About poems He once wrote me a wonderful message on my mobile phone. I almost cried. Once I was alone in his home and doing the cleaning. I was taking away the dust from the books and I just watched behind the first line of books. Here it was. An old exercise books, its pages a bit yellow. (He is 46 yrs old). Inside it, ALL the pharses and the poems and EVERYTHING he had told and written to me. To me? They were more or less 20 years old! And what about the songs? Here in Italy there is a song universally known as a poem. It is a wonderful song written by Jovanotti to his wife, called "To You". And also the James Blunt songs. Guess.....which were the songs he used....and is still using, I bet it! I find it comical now. No more sad at all. I laught at him, at myself, and at the poor woman who is with him now. God, help her........ Remember: Safe People are people who draw you closer to who you were meant to be spiritually, emotionally, mentally and physically. They encourage you to be your most loving, growing self. (Emotional Abusers- Heartless Bitches International)
Mar 29 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
Barbara (not verified)
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I can't remember off the top of my head

but there's a 'seduce women' site that SELLS poetry to guys to use on women. Makes them look so sensitive! PUKE! Cops found this 'gem' on psycho-boy's computer: http://www.secretsofsexualaddiction.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious
Mar 29 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
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You'd think it would get

You'd think it would get boring. Pulling the same shit over and over again. JAMES BLUNT songs!!! OMG YES. That IS almost funny. He also was very into the song Collide by Howie Day, which is a word salad song, lol.
Mar 28 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
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Do you think it's of note

Do you think it's of note that he knew some trivia about serial killers? He claimed once, and I found it sort of unbelievable at the time, that he had figured out something or other about the angle of some gunshots or something in some murder case...some cold case and they didn't do the forensics right and he figured it out from public records. I didn't really believe him, this was after our romantic relationship had ended anyway. I thought it was a weird thing to tell me. It was like ,oh by the way, did i ever tell you about this? Ummm...no.
Mar 28 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
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That is truly scary, better off. Public records??? You mean he actually took the time to look into those? yikes! Yes, I think it a very intimidating and threatening thing to "tell" you.
Mar 28 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
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Well maybe I misspoke on

Well maybe I misspoke on that, I think maybe it was like newspaper stories or something. I don't know, because I actually didn't pay attention! Wish I had now. I just remember him talking about stuff like the Green River Killer or the Zodiac Killer in other conversations on the internet, just pop culture kind of convos. But when he claimed to have "solved" something, I kind of thought, yeah right. But it was weird. And puts that shit in the back of my mind. Eek. He lives 10,000 miles away at least and he's lazy as shit, lol, so I'm not personally afraid, but it's just...weirdness. It's weird if he tried to solve it, and it's weird if he's lying about it. You know on "our" forum, he would sometimes post impulsively and then delete it if he didn't like how he sounded. Well one time I was up late and I caught a post he never knew I saw. It was only up a few minutes...he was bragging about being with certain athletes...at some bar...and he made some comment about it being "wall-to-wall pussy" and "all the pussy" and some stuff like that. And I was shocked because he's mr. respectful about women...or not. Because then he deleted it right away. Didn't fit his "image."
Mar 29 - 12AM (Reply to #8)
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scary

scary, when I first met the N i was with...after several 'dates' he made a statement like "im not a mass murderer that's not my style" and once when I was at his place said "if you stay the night, I'll kill ya"...ok yeah huge red flags, of coures didnt stay the night...but i dont know if they all make these weird strange odd statements...I wasn't sure whether to take them seriously or not...like um what does that mean...has made death threats such as "if you cheat on me...I'll kill you"..."because I love you"...and..well lots of other strange things.. sometimes u just think well...should take be taken seriously or are they just weird comments made by a strange person...or both ... the N i dealt with was also a hacker, stalker, etc...so was reading snooping through computer things...and even knew details about where I was and things I did but that's another story...
Mar 29 - 12PM (Reply to #9)
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Once, when his wife had kind

Once, when his wife had kind of found out about me, that he was talking to me at least...gee, he "forgot" about a receipt from Fed Ex when he sent me some CD's...and she just "happened to find it"...oh and it had MY ADDRESS on it, and she knows he came to my city one weekend...so I was very upset. Of course he did this to punish her, and never mind exposing me in the process. Well...he's made it out that she's pretty unstable (due to him I suppose) and I freaked out because I'm thinking she knows who I am, what if she tries to contact me or my husband, god forbid. And he's suddenly mr calm and in control and tells me...do not worry, she knows if she did anything like that I'd kill her. I did not interpret that literally...yet, it was "out of character" for him to talk that way. It bothered me. Thinking about it now...I mean, my god, he torments her with hints about me, and then he TELLS me about it so I can be tormented and worried as well. He also said she was still worried he would "atom-bomb" her first affair guy's marriage..so she wouldn't pull anything. I guess he holds that shit over her head.
Mar 29 - 1PM (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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better off - me too kinda

Psycho-boy told his wife that I PLANTED all the hooker postings. And convinced her I was driving to his house (1 hour one way) to leave nasty messages in their mailbox. WTF???? I had only driven by their house ONCE early on in curiousity because I HAPPENED TO BE OUT THERE dropping someone off. I have kids and would never leave them alone or take them with me to do this. Oh and he told her I get my friends out there to do it. My friends out there would tell me to drop dead. So, obviously some of the escorts who live near him found his identity and got peeved that his big mouth got them busted. And/ or he's pulled this on other women. And/ or other people found out about what he's doing. When psycho-boy went after my friend he told her the most outrageous lies about me. Of course after 5 weeks she finally contacted me because it was getting so wierd - and that's when it all came out. She was the 3rd of my friends he tried to start an affair with. He did it to hurt me but what I ever did to him to deserve that I will never know. Just part of their sickness. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious
Mar 28 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Barbara (not verified)
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image v. reality

I have a couple normal friends who are fascinated with serial killers. But the bragging and so on... my GOSH it sounds like psycho-boy! O.K. I am gonna bite the bullet here and post one of psycho-boy's hooker reviews - with edits (don't panic Lisa). This guy professed to be VERY religious, VERY family oriented, respectful of women, NEVER EVER watched porn and had "NEVER CONSIDERED CHEATING ON HIS WIFE UNTIL HE BROUGHT ME BACK INTO HIS LIFE." He swore to my friend he was trying to have an affair with that he LOVED ONLY HER and had NEVER EVER been with anyone but his wife for years. Now, this review? was written 33 months BEFORE he looked me up. My Experience with DDDD at JJJJJ Appearance - Really Hot Performance - I forgot it was a service Attitude: Real GirlFriend Experience General Details My first time at JJJJ...was like a kid in a candy shoppe... but I was impressed by her smile and her beautiful breasts! The Juicy Details I was very shy but she immediately made me feel very comfortable. When she came in the room and I helped her get undressed I couln't get enough of those lovely breasts.Ah the marvels of modern science! We laid down on the bed and I s***ed all the juices out of her tasty *****, she is a moaner not a screamer. She then rubed me with baby oil and then s***ked me dry very nice techique "head" oreinted.. we talked for a while and then TFed. god she liked to sit on my face as she played with my ****... into it .. real nice time... nice girl Now? This guy 'swears' this NEVER happened. He ran around the net erasing this crap like a maniac once he found out I knew and the police knew. His IP was attached to it and he forgets about caches. Anyway - he now calls me a liar, obsessed and this is all a lie and never happened. And on his blog about politics? He talks OVER & OVER & OVER about how he LOVES his wife. For a year or so he even posted about me being crazy. He even posted a full load of **** about what "really happened" between me and him. OK - he does marketing and he has ADMITTED in writing he "twists facts for a living." So how's that for Mr. Moral, Family, Religious, Good-Guy. I couldn't wrap my head around it for such a long time. But better off - all I can tell you is if your GUT alarm went off when he told you that? Then I would believe there was something to it. And that 'pussy' post? was what REALLY goes on in his head. To them we are a BLOW UP DOLL WITH A PULSE. Nothing more. ~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious
Mar 28 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Funny

One site I read a lot, because I put psycho-boy on there 4 years ago is: http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com The guy they are profiling this month (March 09) told his victims he was a CIA operative. He got away with more lies with one (the more gullible one). reading his emails to her is a complete profile in WORD SALAD! ~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valeriou
Mar 28 - 2PM (Reply to #2)
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Yeah, I'd seen that. That's

Yeah, I'd seen that. That's what made me make the comment about the CIA. Like I said, mine really is who he said he was and really does have quite the resume. Enough of one that you'd think he'd be happy enough without resorting to these foolish games to feel like he's somebody. I watched that MRI video you posted on another thread. Really sad to face. I was at the mall today, and passed a jewelry store that had some stuff in the window that reminded me of him and talking about getting married eventually, and just that flood of good times we had together. It made me miss him, that him, those times. Knowing now it was doomed from the very start. Remembering him promising to take me to Edinburgh Castle one day. Knowing that I am love bonded to this person even knowing the truth about him. :-( Seeing that video helps again though, not to ever have contact again. As far as "smooth operator" goes...another little thing...when we were together (for our one weekend), the first time...he unhooked my bra, while kissing me, in one deft motion, like the Fonz. lol And I remember feeling a little shock, like OMG. My husband couldn't unhook it if he had both hands and 15 minutes. I mean, you'd think this guy unhooked bras for a living. I pulled back for a second and looked at him and I guess I had one eyebrow up (that's an expression of mine) and he had a deer in the headlights look for a split second, but I mean, there were other things going on then, lol. I didn't stop and discuss it with him. I know that sounds stupid, but it just made something click inside me.