Signs He Has Changed

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#1 Dec 24 - 3PM
Briseis
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Signs He Has Changed

Merry Christmas ladies and Bloke :)

Signs he has changed
Written by Brenda Branford

http://www.brokenpeople.org/site/index.asp?page=103214&DL=138873

He is willing to wait however long it takes for her trust in him to be rebuilt, and does not pressure her to forgive or reconcile until she is ready.

He does not say or do things that threaten or frighten her.

He listens to and respects her opinion, even if he disagrees.

She can express anger or frustration toward him without being punished or abused.

He respects her “no” in all situations, including physical contact.

He does not prevent her from spending time with friends and family, and does not punish her later.

He is willing to continue counseling as long as necessary.

He takes responsibility for his actions, and does not blame her for his bad behavior.

He is kind and attentive instead of being demanding and controlling.

When he becomes frustrated or angry, he does not take it out on his wife or children.

When he fails, he admits his mistake and takes responsibility for changing abusive behavior.

He admits to his abusive behavior, and stops trying to blame or cover up.

He acknowledges that all the abuse was wrong, and identifies all the ways he used to justify his abusive behavior.

He acknowledges that his abusive behavior was not a loss of control, but a choice on his part.

He recognizes and is able to verbalize the effects of his abuse on his spouse and children.

He identifies attitudes of entitlement or superiority, and talks about the tactics he used in maintaining control. He replaces distorted thinking with a more positive and empathetic view.

He consistently displays respectful behavior toward his wife and children.

He wants to make amends for the harm he has caused.

He is committed to not repeating his past behavior, and realizes it will be a life-long process.

He is willing to hear feedback and criticism, is honest about his failures, and is willing to be held accountable for abusive thinking and behavior.

“Beware of the temptation to gauge change by means of the perpetrator’s church-going behavior. Going to church is not good enough . . . does not prove that he is no longer going to hurt her.” —Woman-Battering

He Has Not Changed If . ..

He blames her or others for his behavior.

He uses guilt to manipulate her into dropping charges or keeping silent.

He does not faithfully attend his treatment program.

He pressures her to let him move back in before she is ready.

He will not admit he was abusive.

He convinces others that she is either abusive or crazy.

He demands to know where his spouse is and whom she is with.

He uses her behavior as an excuse to treat her badly.

He continues to use sarcasm or verbal abuse, talk over his wife, and shows disrespect or superiority.

He does not respond well to complaints or criticism of his behavior when he slips back into abusive behavior.

He continues to undermine her authority as a parent, and her credibility as a person.

His mindset about women has not changed, even though he avoids being abusive.

He criticizes his spouse for not realizing how much he has changed.

If you go back too soon, the abuse will be worse and leaving again will be harder.

Steps to Change

Lundy Bancroft

1. Admit fully to his history of psychological, sexual and physical abusiveness. Denial and minimizing need to stop, including discrediting your memory of what happened.

2. Acknowledge that the abuse was wrong, unconditionally. He needs to identify the justifications he used, including the ways he blamed you, and talk in detail about why his behaviors were unacceptable, without defending them.

3. Acknowledge that his behavior was a choice, not a loss of control.

4. Recognize the effects his abuse has had on you and on your children, and show empathy for those. He needs to talk IN DETAIL about the impact that his abuse has had, including fear, loss of trust, anger, etc. And he needs to do this without feeling sorry for himself or talking about how hard the experience has been for him.

5. Identify in detail his pattern of controlling behaviors and entitled attitudes. He needs to speak in detail about the day to day tactics of abuse he has used, identify his underlying beliefs and values that drove those behaviors, such as considering himself entitled to constant attention.

6. Develop respectful behaviors and attitudes to replace the abusive ones he is stopping.

7. Reevaluate his distorted image of you, replacing it with a more positive and empathic view. He has to recognize that he's focused on and exaggerated his grivances against you. He needs to compliment you and pay attention to your strengths and abilities.

8. Make amends for the damage he has done. He has to have a sense that he has a debt to you. He can start payment by being consistently kind and supportive, putting his own needs on the back burner for a couple of years, fixing what he has damaged, and cleaning up the emotional and literal messes he has caused.

9. Accept the consequences of his actions. He should stop blaming you for problems that are the result of his abuse.

10. Commit to not repeating his abusive behaviors. He should not place any conditions on his improvement - such as saying he won't call you names as long as you don't raise your voice.

11. Accept the need to give up his privileges and do so. Stop double standards, stop flirting with other women, stop taking off with his friends while you take care of the children. He also is not the only one allowed to express anger.

12. Accept that overcoming abusiveness is likely to be a life-long process. He cannot claim that his work is done by saying, "I've changed, but you haven't." or complain that he is sick of hearing about his abuse.

13. Be willing to be accountable for his actions, both past and future. He must accept feedback and criticism and be answerable for what he does and how it affects you and the children.

Dec 25 - 6PM
Anne_
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great post!

I admit, I sometimes do wonder, what if he could change? It still exists sometimes in my fairytale world. But your post shows that a N changing just makes no sense. It would take a whole different kind of people. They just don't. I think I will print it out, and when in doubt, I will read this again. thx Bri, you rock!
Dec 25 - 4PM
justicejones
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This hits the nail on the head...

I often think that now the N is not with me, that he has probably changed and is not treating the OW better or how I wanted to be treated by him. Then I think, "How or why is he changing for her and not for me?" Of course, this is my own mental dialogue. But then I think..."Hey! How hard is it for me to change? Say, like not to keep thinking and obsessing about what he is doing or how he could do what he did to me? Heck, how hard is it for me to just start eating right and exercise? If it is hard for me to change these small things, how much harder would it be for him to change his whole personality and selfishness? Probably impossible! They don't change...only for a little while and only if it means they will ultimately get what they want! It's only an act; a facade. My N could win an Academy Award for his shows!"
Dec 25 - 4PM (Reply to #18)
justicejones
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correction to first sentence...

I often think that now the N is not with me, that he has probably changed and is NOW treating the OW better or how I wanted to be treated by him.
Dec 25 - 2AM
michele115 (not verified)
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All very good

In my case however, the only way I'd be convinced is if he was wearing his Sunday's best lying in a metal rectangular box...like say a casket?
Dec 24 - 11PM
Leah
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Wow, thanks for posting this, Briseis

If I had read this 10+ years ago, it would have recast how I looked at my then-narc. He cheated on me & when I took him back (foolish choice), he demanded that I forgive him ASAP because it wasn't fair to him while we were living together. When he couldn't take my feelings anymore, he moved out. And if I held most recent ex-N to these lists of standards...wow...he wouldn't make it. He often blew up at me for no reason at all, and the next morning would send me an apology, going into detail about 'triggers' & psycho-babble...but he didn't really understand any of it. And then he'd blow up at me again on another night...and predictable apology e-mail would show up the next morning. My mother *never* remembers her abusive behavior nor any of her words. It's like she's in a perpetual state of amnesia, and won't admit to having said/done anything. So she can't make true amends...she never knows she's done anything wrong. PDI's aren't self-aware. They don't know they are disordered. These lists are great. Thanks Briseis! -Leah
Dec 25 - 2AM (Reply to #14)
michele115 (not verified)
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But the frustrating part...

Of being raised by a PDI is how the abuse just seems to permeate EVERYTHING... I have been in some of the most unreasonable and abusive Relationships Jobs Friendships... AND none of them laid a hand on me but in hindsight very very unhealthy AND at this point, where the hell do you begin? I'm phobic about people period!!! AND that is a really hard problem. And it makes me very tired. This Christmas sucked - and I tried really hard... AND, it's hard finding the balance when my son is doing what is natural for his age...but it triggers me. AND - all the "Games people play"
Dec 25 - 4PM (Reply to #15)
Leah
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Michele115, I hear you

Yes, a lot of my relationships, in all parts of life, have been saturated with PDI's. Because of the most recent ex-N, I've become phobic too. I totally understand. Your strong and you're doing great, despite everything that you're dealing with. Sending Christmas hugs, Leah
Dec 24 - 8PM
blueeyes
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Shaking my head

Too bad PDI's can not speak our language..... 13. Be willing to be accountable for his actions, both past and future. He must accept feedback and criticism and be answerable for what he does and how it affects you and the children. There are 5 words in number 13 that "mean nothing" to a Personality Disordered: 1. Willing 2. Accountable 3. Accept 4. Answerable 5. Affects
Dec 24 - 8PM
Briseis
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It's one thing to know narcs

It's one thing to know narcs can't change but we have a lot of newcomers and at least for me, when I first encountered this whole thing, I did not understand "change". I had a very . . . pie in the sky belief in the process of personal change. People don't just change. Not even you or I. We aren't made that way. Heck just changing a bad habit is hard, but it's not just a "bad habit" when someone doesn't respect you. This list is about real change, and you can see by it how plainly difficult it is, what a lot of sheer work it is. How it is not about a person telling you they have changed (a big red flag that they have NOT changed at all lol). If anything I meant to underscore how hopeless this kind of hope even is. After the end of a Narc relationship, WE have to change some deep things about our view of ourselves. There's some reluctance -- we aren't the ones that did anything wrong!! But I found myself forced to reckon with how I relate to other people and to myself, how it wasn't working and hadn't been for a long time. They were subtle changes, but they were still HARD, took lots of trying and not doing very well at first. And that's when I wanted to change. A person has to practically move heaven and earth to change even subtle things about their world view, their sense of self. If it's that hard for us to change when we want and need to, any residual wish that the Narc will change is . . . what more need be said ?
Dec 25 - 4PM (Reply to #11)
Leah
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Briseis, thanks for talking about 'change'

For me, I have to focus on changing how I see myself, how I try to control, how I seek outside of myself when I need to seek within myself... I need to heal my co-dependency. I look forward to making the subtle changes, as quickly as they can come about. They can't come soon enough. Thanks so much for this message thread, Leah
Dec 25 - 2AM (Reply to #6)
michele115 (not verified)
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AND

All the narc in my life chanted was CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE... CHANGE!!!! Is there a CHANGE cult in the 12 step programs? WTH... CHANGE...how about stop?...that's more appropriate no?
Dec 25 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
Briseis
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In order to stop . . .

In order to stop . . . they'd have to CHANGE their whole outlook on themselves and relationships and life itself. Is it really "fair" to ask someone else to do that? Think about that for a minute. Your son just "asked" you to "change" your whole schedule for Christmas. So it would suit his needs better. It didn't go over well lol! Narcs are pathetic and useless but they aren't STUPID. They know when we beg, plead or demand respect that they DON'T have it and DON'T care to have it. And that in order to HAVE it, they'd need to be a different person. So basically it is the same thing as asking someone you love, "Please laugh at different things. Please use different facial expressions around me. Please do NOT be yourself." We're asking Narcs to not be themselves. No wonder they flip their lids. We would do the same thing (and do). We aren't entitled or owed "change" by another human being. That's a boundary thing. Yet, we all grow up thinking this is as natural as air. This is the kind of stuff that helps us put it all in perspective. What we hope for or demand from the Narc (or anyone for that matter) is . . . a lot. More than we have the right to ask for, IMO.
Dec 25 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
michele115 (not verified)
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But Brie...

My issue is that HE would chant CHANGE... All kinds of CHANGE slogans were rolling up in here... Change nothing nothing changes.... Change is inevitable... Change...change...change.... He would have benefitted from starting with his freaking underwear!!! Seriously, I wasn't the one asking for CHANGE except that maybe he stop freaking chanting it so much... even now...on his FB...he's the FRIGGIN CHANGE KING...telling everyone else... CHANGE blah blah blah...and for me good to see because it seems like he talks such slimey crap....I'm no longer affected? LMAO the other day...to a female flirtation who was obviously distraught over the anniversary of her sisters death he chimes: Your sister misses you too and lives on in you... UH, her sister is DEAD?...HELLO? But is sounds all so smooth - yea dead people missing the living... OKAY - and I am supposed to believe he's not using? LMAO! Oh, I better work on CHANGE and stop peeking although it is a source of great comic relief....LOL
Dec 25 - 7PM (Reply to #8)
Leah
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Briseis, thanks for posting this, too

I know in my relationship with my most recent ex-N, there were some times when I questioned aspects of himself, which was really crossing a boundary. Those were times when I should've accepted him for who he was & walked away. Like... - that time I asked him why he called his mother 'mommy' - me spending hours on the phone trying to understand why he was homophobic & trying to convince him that gay people are not different nor pedophiles - when I tried to convince him that his losing sleep over 'bad things' he did 15-20 years was being too hard on himself - when I tried to persuade him that women and gays deserve equality in the eyes of the Catholic church Hmmmm. Those were all red flag moments that were signals for me to leave, not to argue or debate or convince. Wow. My co-dependency runs deep. I'm sure he didn't appreciate my attempts to be controlling. I wish I had made different choices in those moments. Now I can just learn from them. -Leah
Dec 26 - 12AM (Reply to #9)
Briseis
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It's not really a crime or

It's not really a crime or something to feel bad about. When you think about it, we all do it all the time. It's common behavior amongst people, even strangers. We do it to each other here. It's sort of . . . normal. Who am I to think I can offer a tweak to someone else? If they ask for it, that's one thing. But if I just see a need, am I over stepping? It's kind of slippery because in the context of this forum, we do this to each other all the time. We ask for feedback. We get feedback we DIDN'T ask for :D . In general, it's OK because of the nature of this forum. But what about in family relationships? Lovers or friends? Am I their therapist? If only we did just accept people exactly as they are, we'd sure avoid a lot of problems. And by accepting, I don't mean LIKING it. I just mean "hey, that's him/her. That's the way they are." If it's not something we can live with, then we have a choice. It's a waste of time and effort, and it's invading another person's boundaries. Even the Narcs. This NEVER occurred to me until I'd gotten a year or so of NC, and was still participating in my first forum, watching along while my cohorts went to huge lengths to get their abusers to change. I started to think, who am I to even ask? Really? I'm powerless, and it's probably rude in a subtle way :P Just thoughts and thinking, this isn't ammunition to whack yourself, just stuff to wonder about as you go along.
Dec 24 - 7PM
betty2020
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Not sure we got a hope in

Not sure we got a hope in hell on this unless they get they get struck by lightning and are rendered catatonic. Then we can just play puppet with them. God im sick! Lol. Kidding aside..... Thanks B. Good comparison for those that are still active wondering if they have mended their ways. Its a good guideline to follow... Merry Christmas!!! xoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Dec 24 - 4PM
ewa
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Well, i do not think this

Well, i do not think this change will ever happen if is about our Ns. Mission impossible :(
Dec 24 - 3PM
Briseis
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LOL

Pretty much destroys all vestiges of hope, eh? This is what it TAKES to change. If we understand this deeply, it brings new meaning to the effort of change, the process of change, and against the behavior of the Narc, it highlights the sheer impossibility and hopelessness of it. I read this series of "lists" back in the early days of NC, and could see how they operated while I was still in. They pretty much eliminated any residual doubt I may have had that "change", on the part of my exNarc, was going to involve a helluva lot more than promises and a few months, or even years . . .
Dec 25 - 12AM (Reply to #2)
M
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change

Remember one of the issues with this disorder is that they CANNOT change. Nor can they LEARN. If my N wanted back?? He'd have some tough questions: 1. "Did you marry me because you loved me...or did you want a house?" 2. "Itemize the checks you wrote on the HELOC mortgage." I can only attest to $90K spent on the pool & the crappy AZ housing investment. Where is the rest?? 3. You divorced me beause I refused to let you drain my retirement funds. Hmm. God Bless the next one. He's 47.