Should you defend yourself???

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#1 Apr 10 - 1PM
SoOverItNext
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Should you defend yourself???

I have been NC with my Narc for 2 weeks...Suddenly, he starts taking care of his older daughter whom he didn't take care of for the past 6 years. When we were together, I asked him to pick her up EVERY weekend and once we had a daughter together, I was very persistent in asking him to be more involved, if not for him at least for the relationship between the young sisters.

Long story short, he has been picking up his daughter EVERY weekend now that I have been NC and he has been calling me to come get our daughter. He is trying to use her as a pawn. I didn't answer my phone because earlier in the day, he called and curse me out...BAD. Horrible voicemails and texts messages are in my phone.

He has been telling his friends and family that I am keeping his daughter away, when in reality, he has made it very clear that she was a mistake and he wants no parts of her. His friends and family have been posting status' of facebook that I am certain are about me since they think I didn't let her come over last night. Should I show them the text messages and voicemails or let the truth come to light?

Jul 14 - 7PM
Hunter
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SOIN

Nope, do nothing, Give him enough rope and he will eventually hang himself. Its just another way of fucking with you, thats what they do best. Hunter
Jul 14 - 4AM
agnesmurphy17
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daughters

Everything an N does is for a reason. Seems that he has your daughter every weekend. So he needs help in taking care of her because a child is a lot of work. So he has the other child come over to amuse your daughter. Also, I assume you all will be going to court over child support & visitation? This is a common ploy to make the woman out to be controlling. She won't let all the children be together. Finally. You are keeping his daughter away? His daughter from a previous relationship. Now what obligation & relationship do you have to his child from another woman? Particularly when your child & this other child had little or no contact. I wonder? Have you contact with the mother of the other daughter? She may be a source of support & information. or she may not want to have anything to do with you because she's had it with him & his manipulations. Do not respond to this man's insinuations in any way. Anybody who credits such nonsense on FB is also cracked. And I agree, keep everything. And preserve those abusive voice mails on a tape. Preserve every text. Maybe you can photograph & then transcribe the words as well. All this will be important if you end up in court with him. Forget these other people whom he whines to. Also, open up an NEW e-mail account, free on line. Tell N that this is your new e-mail address. Force him to use only that account. And do not give that account to any other person. it is exclusively devoted to N. It will be useful in the end when looking for his e-mails. Everything will be in one place. Not mixed up with other correspondence.
Jul 14 - 3AM
AnotherPath
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in my opinion

don't get involved in any of his family. They have nothing to do with you and you can't convince them of anything as they've been fed lies and he will only distort this and you will be in his "game" which is what he wants, he's trying to provoke you into responding. Don't respond to him or anyone else other than the police. Keep the messages as there will be more, you need to build a case so keep a book, transcribe the abusive texts and messages so you can go to the authorities and get a harassment order in the future. If you go to the police now they will log this and your case against him will grow. Unfortunately, he will more likely do more stuff and escalate his abuse. Whatever you do he will change the goal posts and you and your daughter will get sucked in to something really bad. If you respond the police can't do much as it will look like a two way thing, also he may put an harassment order on you. He may then go for sole custody in the future and you won't look squeaky clean. Believe me I've lived through this and this was the advice from my safety officer and it worked. Document at all times. He's going to get worse, keep strong and keep away from his games. In my situation, three years later the judge has just ordered that he only see the children every 6 weeks for 3 hours in a contact centre plus a psychiatric report that he has to pay for. The more you ignore the more abusive tactics he will do and he will slip up badly and show himself to be what he is and you can expose him in front of the people that matter (judge, police and social services), his family and friends count for NOTHING they don't know him or the truth.

Ending the dance

Jul 14 - 1AM
mrlin (not verified)
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xoxo
Apr 10 - 2PM
Arwen
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and yes, I am of the opinion

and yes, I am of the opinion that if you give them an inch they will take an arm, they are cowards and will give in if threatened, and that your daughter may turn against you if you do not take measures to stop it right now. I would just be a huge bitch and threaten him, make it clear. If you are in any kind of danger though I would not do it. Only you know that. I just found that once I let the narc step on me once, he did it SO many more times and actually took away my entire career because I didn't have the balls to go up against him right when it started.
Apr 10 - 2PM
Arwen
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Hmmmm...I think you might

Hmmmm...I think you might tell him that if he does not take his posts down and tell his friends that what he said is not happening, that you will expose his VM and texts to them.
Apr 10 - 2PM
gettinbetter
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Do not try and defend

Do not try and defend yourself. Just keep quiet. Remember silence is the ultimate way to defend yourself. With these freaks anything you say can and will be used against you. Remember keep silent and remember that the one thing that really gets to these creeps is being ignored and indifference to them. Its like murdering them. Their biggest fear is that they dont exist.
Apr 10 - 4PM (Reply to #4)
Susan32
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Sometimes silence IS the best defense

When the ex-Psych prof was accusing me to his students&his colleagues that I was making inappropriate sexual advances on him.... I was too shocked to really defend myself. However, I *DID* let my actions speak for themselves. His colleagues were the witnesses of the very public, very ugly final D&D... and his actions spoke louder than words. There was another stunning silence... that of his colleagues. NONE of them defended his conduct. My senior thesis advisor described him as "different" (as if saying any more would be venturing into obscenity) My French professor, who was going to be Dean (she's been Dean for the past decade)... said that my "Anna Karenina" essay was my way of trying to make sense of what was going on with the ex-P. She did NOT condemn me. She knew I was afraid...and she wasn't harsh. At all. In fact, I got a nice email from her this past week... the ex-P went unmentioned. She helped me, she wasn't harsh on me like the ex-P was. The ex-P wanted me to feel isolated&outnumbered... and in the end, I realized how many people were really siding with me the WHOLE TIME. I learned to be grateful. He was profoundly paranoid... I think during the final D&D he wanted me to feel as paranoid as him.
Apr 10 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
mystwoman
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Sick of it is absolutely

Sick of it is absolutely correct here. "Remember keep silent and remember that the one thing that really gets to these creeps is being ignored and indifference to them. Its like murdering them. Their biggest fear is that they dont exist." Xnh has tried multiple attempts to slander and turn people away from me with his b.s. and lies. It's been my experience that those that really know you (and many that don't as well), will see through the narc, and won't believe whatever he's spouting at the moment. His immature, bad-mouthing behavior says MUCH more about him than it does about you. People are frequently a lot more observant and intelligent than the narc likes to think. Just because he says something in no way means that others are believing him. Trust me, other people have observed this behavior in him before. I'm sure this technique is nothing new for your narc. Meanwhile, no matter what he's spouting, YOU still know the truth. He can't change that. Remaining firmly NC, and totally ignoring him is your best revenge. It drives the narc crazy because he's getting no supply from you, and he has absolutely no control over it. He can't rattle or get any reaction from you. It's like he doesn't exist. Sick of it is correct. This is torture for a narc. My advice would be to just ignore him completely. Let whatever he says, or does, roll off you just like water would roll off a duck's back. Don't give him the satisfaction of knowing that he can goad you into a reaction. That's EXACTLY what he wants. Any reaction, positive or negative, is supply to a narc. Hugs.

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Apr 10 - 3PM (Reply to #3)
Arwen
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Ok I am being outnumbered and

Ok I am being outnumbered and I know that the narcs always want a fight. But again I will say, that my battle with the narc turned into a legal one and he ruined my entire career and personal life because I did not nip it in the bud soon enough. There is a way to stand up to these people - there is a way. I would almost always agree with the other ladies here but not about this. Sorry.