Realization

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#1 Aug 13 - 11AM
rainbow1
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Realization

So I was having a talk with a mutual friend today (I met her through the N but she doesnt like him anymore). Anyways, I was saying how I cant believe that he was trying to get me back so hard but now is withholding an actual relationship from me. She said to me "I wish you would have just left him when you were thinking about it instead of trying to make it work just for him to turn around and leave you." This totally shocked me! I totally forgot this piece of information! The week before he left me I would spend everyday thinking about leaving him. I would make pros and cons lists, I would avoid him, I would go to a mutual guy friends house when he N didnt know where I was just to get more advice. I totally forgot this!

Then she said to me "I dont get it. Is it a game for you? Do you have to be the one to win or something? When he wants to be with you, you know that isnt what you want, but the second he withholds it from you, you freak out and have to get him back." I thought about it for a second and I guess it really is about winning somewhat to me. I know how horrible he is and I guess I cant bare the fact that someone that horrible wouldnt want me! I want to be the one to make him look crazy and not worthy of me.

Then I told her that I guess it is somewhat of a game but I hate the game playing. She said "you know you dont have to play the game" I said "I guess I never know when to pick up my chips and leave the table." The next thing she said to me really helped and hit home. She said "Rainbow, when you are running out of chips, and you are running out, you pick up what you have left and leave the table. I think that this is the time for you to leave the table. If he comes crawling back to you then you got your validation and you win. But if he doesnt come back then leave him alone. Trust me, you still won if he doesnt come back. Stop putting yourself through stuff that you dont need to".

I just hugged my friend after she said this. This is a great way of looking at it. I was going to leave him, I didnt want him anymore because I wasnt happy, I still dont want him, So why am I chasing him?! Why do I put in so much effort to something so unrewarding? Well I am not going to anymore. I need to pick up my chips and walk away. Sometimes doing nothing will get you further then putting in endless amounts of effort.

Aug 13 - 9PM
anonymous
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Worn Thin

Great post and discussion. Thanks Rainbow. The last two weeks before the D&D, I had this little niggling annoyance running through my subconscience that I was starting to get sick of the it's-all-about-me self-centered bitchiness, complaining, and boredome after hearing the same whiny crap over and over again. But it was a red flag I ignored because THIS was my pedestal man - the most fascinating man I'd ever met. I couldn't possibly be bored by Ideal Guy. So I ignored it. And then the D&D and ensuing crap happened and it wasn't until I found this site 9 months later that I realized that my sub-conscience was right and if the relationship had continued to play out, I would have eventually gotten sick of it and been the dumper instead of the dumpee. And I think he knew that. A close mutual friend told me that he admitted to freaking out and decided to end it when he realized that he couldn't keep up the facade of being Ideal Guy. Amazing that he'd admit that but it's true.
Aug 13 - 9PM
faithinthefuture
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I WANT

My daughter's babysitter aloonng time ago told her I Wants Don't Get! How true is that with a N! I want what it was in the beginning..wont ever get that again becuz they get worse! I want people to know I'm NOT the crazy one HE is. Our true friends see and know that. We have to let go of all other opinions and who's matters the most is our own. I want him to suffer like he's made me suffer. He does every day but just doesn't show that to the world but we now know better. Even tho it seems like they are happy we KNOW they are truly suffering more than we are. Nice to know. :-) I get sick to my stomach realizing how much I gave up for someone like that. For nothing in return but lies & heartache. I am stuptified at how blind I was to my own instincts. DAMN they are good at what they do! And I too am going to do nothing. I am staying NC! i have crawled back in the past but not this time! Never again!
Aug 13 - 12PM
herlatestvictim
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Me too!

I wanted to win too! It helped me to read somewhere that you NEVER get back to the place you started w/ an N. That euphoric, lovey dovey phase, is gone for good and there is NOTHING you can do to get that back. It wasn't real. You also can't get back that period where you were on a pedestal, before you became devalued. I struggled (still do) with wanting to feel like my ex-N finds me attractive, etc... funny how they can make you feel so bad about yourself. By getting them out of our lives, WE WIN! They are stuck with themselves- forever.
Aug 13 - 12PM
helldweller
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Yep, winning or leaving the table

Absolutely. I want to win. I want everyone to know that I AM NOT THE CRAZY ONE. I wanted to stay long enough to not look crazy anymore, to look attractive to him again, to win back the time where he seemed to love me. But I was totally running out of chips. Geez. Running out of chips or staying to try to win. It's perfect. Thanks so much, Rainbow, for posting that.
Aug 13 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
Aliveagain
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Yes yes yes. Have you read

Yes yes yes. Have you read that e-book "women who love psychopaths"? One of the characteristics of the type of men that N/P go after are those that like a challenge, like to compete, don't like to lose. If they went from submissive-at-the-start, it wouldn't be a challenge would it? They would just roll over and it would be game over. IF you fight though then you're appealing...but they teach us learned helplessness because we fight SO much we give up...and how many women here have EVER given up on anything prior to your N/P??? I for one NEVER in my wildest dreams thought about giving up on me, my dreams, my goals, my optimism...I seized life by the hands and embraced all of its challenges. He wore me down so much that I gave up, I stopped fighting, he lost interest, I didn't chase him though, he came back and chased and by then I hadn't heard from him for 2.5 months and he came back wiht this enormous BS email and I didn't respond. Then I ignored his phone calls and he became frantic...I kept ignoring him adn its 8 months in. Yesterday tossed me upside down though but I've regained my composure and I'm forging on. Look at what these people have reduced all of us to? We are all intelligent, perceptive, empatheitc, talented and strong women who have been beaten down through emotional torment. Helldweller and Rainbow I want you to KNOW that the way you feel has NOTHING to do with reality. If you weren't desireable he wouldn't have wanted you in the beginning and he only didn't want you in the end because he turned you into SOMEONE ELSE. Not you. Your shadow - a version of him. You will come back to you. Its a long journey but I promise it won't last. XXX
Aug 13 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
naivenomore
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This is SO true and good to be reminded of!

If you weren't desireable he wouldn't have wanted you in the beginning and he only didn't want you in the end because he turned you into SOMEONE ELSE. Boy, that just sums it up very neatly, doesn't it? Thanks, aliveagain!
Aug 13 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
rainbow1
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Thanks Aliveagain!

I am starting to feel more like myself again. I am trying really hard to work on me and what I want out of life. I have been reading Eat.Pray.Love and I love that book! Yesterday someone asked me what I want to do with my life. They told me to say the first thing that comes to my mind and then do that. The only thing I could think to say was "I want to travel." They said "great then do that!" And that is what I plan on doing! _______________________________________________ "dont let yesterday take up too much of today"

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Aug 13 - 12PM (Reply to #3)
rainbow1
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Welcome!

Yeah I was really happy when she said this. It is a very good analogy. I just want him to love and adore me again so that I can walk away with more chips, but the thing is, I never walk away. It really is like gambling. When you are up you dont want to walk away because you think that you can keep winning and winning. But when you are down in chips you still dont walk away. You just think if you just play ONE more hand that you will be back up. It is a never ending cycle. Eventually you have to be like Kenny Rogers and "know when to fold them" hahah! _______________________________________________ "dont let yesterday take up too much of today"

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Aug 13 - 12PM
Aliveagain
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Know EXACTLY what you mean

Know EXACTLY what you mean here!!! I guess I cant bare the fact that someone that horrible wouldnt want me! I want to be the one to make him look crazy and not worthy of me. You want to recoup the damage to your sense of self he has eroded and unfortunately we got locked into the game as the only means we can see to being able to fill the void he has created. The rules of engagement are universal do what your friend said, get your validation either way. Its about what's "right" being done but maybe we have to just accept that life is actually filled with people who don't give a shit about "right", they only care about them. I hope you get away from this dickhead. (I really like calling these men by names such as these, it makes me feel good! :P). x