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#1 Feb 26 - 8PM
reneek
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quick question

So my daughter's father is taking her to FL this weekend -- in particular Fort Lauderdale which is where my parents live in the winter and he knows it. He also knows they despise him, he isn't too fond of them -- yet, he wrote them tonight offering to take our daughter to see them -- this was after several awful exchanges with his lawyer and my lawyer today. Anyone have a clue what he's manipulating. We have a GAL beginning an investigation soon. He asked for more time this weekend and next weekend on top of his vacation and we said no. He said he wanted to pick her up earlier on Sunday for her trip than I want to bring her. His lawyer said to mine that they will bring this up to the GAL and will demonstrate that I am being retaliatory for him bringing her home so late at night on Wednesday. Anyone that's following me know he is landing into Logan at 10 pm and made these arrangements without any discussion with me at all -- leading us to our most recent spiral down. So why, in the mist of real heat is he offering to bring our daughter to my parents? What is he manipulating. Is he trying to prove to the GAL that he is bigger than me and acting in our daughter's best interest?

Feb 26 - 11PM
Barbara (not verified)
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heck yeah

Is he trying to prove to the GAL that he is bigger than me and acting in our daughter's best interest? Heck yeah. Tell your parents to let him come. Be sure they document the whole visit, conversations, etc and send you a signed copy. If they feel he was being manipulative by doing this - let them say so in writing. Don't you say it... let his ACTIONS speak. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Feb 26 - 9PM
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Yes that's exactly what he's

Yes that's exactly what he's doing. You have to weigh which matters to you more: having your parents see their granddaughter vs. putting out the fire in the N's plans. That's a toughie.
Feb 27 - 6AM (Reply to #2)
agnesmurphy17
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Grandparents

I think it's up to the grandparents. They may not want to be involved, or busy with other plans. If they want to be involved, & see the child, that's their call. I wouldn't discuss this too much with him. He wants to make this an issue. It's really a non-issue. It's between him & your parents. BTW! Very, very important to the GAL that 2-3 times N offered to disappear in exchange NOT to pay child support! That says it all! Is that documented by the lawyers? Is it in writing . . . lawyer to lawyer . . . in an e-mail explicitly to you? In offering to disappear in exchange for his money, he's showing a total disregard for the best interest of the child. And, he could just pay & disappear. Somehow he's connecting his presence with his money. That if he pays money, he's owed his pound o flesh. Boy, does this man extract flesh & soul & energy. Been very busy this week. I reread the last week's thread about drop off & pick up. And, all your responses to me. You wrote you were afraid of him. So why not a RO? I did not take one out against my N because I was afraid of my character assassination by my N. I am in Boston. I am on Facebook as one of Lisa's friends.
Feb 27 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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absolutely!

Very, very important to the GAL that 2-3 times N offered to disappear in exchange NOT to pay child support! That says it all! Is that documented by the lawyers? Is it in writing . . . lawyer to lawyer . . . in an e-mail explicitly to you? In offering to disappear in exchange for his money, he's showing a total disregard for the best interest of the child. And, he could just pay & disappear. Somehow he's connecting his presence with his money. That if he pays money, he's owed his pound o flesh. Boy, does this man extract flesh & soul & energy. TOTALLY agree!!! if he offered this in writing (email) make SURE the GAL sees it - that's just depraved. You won't even need to comment... it speaks volumes about him. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Feb 27 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
reneek
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he never did

I am the one kind of screwed on this though my former lawyer has a letter he wrote my ex's lawyer last year saying we would not accept and offer to walk away. That was last April. Then in August right before settlement -- 1 week before settlement, he came to me and said do you think it would be best for me to walk away "for her good?" I told him I would entertain that -- he said that he would talk to some family members to see how they would digest it and get back to me. In the meantime, stupid me contacts my therapist who is a child psychologist and asks him what is best. He says that conflicting parents is the most destructive thing ever -- I sent it my ex n and it is in writing. I also asked his ex-wife to help me persuade my ex-N to leave and she said no because her daughter was too in love with my daughter. Anyway, he brought it up first and I responded -- a week later after the settlement, he looked me in the eye and told me it was me who started it and who brought it up -- and I was the only one with evidence in writing -- truthfully, it was one of 2 times I felt extreme rage with him. Real rage -- he was looking me in the eye and lying and trying to make me think I lost my mind -- then he was taunting me with the fact that I was the only one who had it in writing. He said he never remembered bringing it up and he told me if he was ever investigated he would say just that and I was the one who left the paper trail not him -- it would be hard to convince people otherwise he said. What a prick -- huh? The only 3 things I have -- last april he went about 2 weeks not talking to her because he was talking to his lawyer about walking away and his lawyer proposed it to my lawyer verbally -- I am now using a different lawyer -- while this was happening I got an email from his exwife saying he took down every picture of Sophie in his office and home and told her it was done. I have emails begging him to stop it and that he would hurt our daughter --- several emails. This episode happened right after we found out what the financials would be and what the guidelines would make him pay. So my lawyer wrote his lawyer a letter saying we would not accept such a proposal now or ever. Steve threatened me several times and told me it was me who proposed it --he said he has me on a vm saying to go for it, but he was the one that put it out there that day -- after he called me a selfish money grubbing thief who was using him for his money - he begged me to let him walk -- a few hours later I called back, left a VM and said that I spoke to my atty and said that we will entertain his proposal. He didn't call for 2 weeks after we told him we would not accept his offer. He will twist this one big time. In his mind the story played out very differently The other thing I have is the email to and from my therapist that I wrote telling him that Steve offered to walk away and asking him what to do? And the last thing I have is that on the night before Thanksgiving -- this past Nov he said he wanted to walk and I had 3 guests in the house that didn't hear the whole conversation but heard my side and then I told them that he wanted to walk away. One of them is a definite collateral. The real issues is spin -- his spin. I was going through the past 3 years of emails and objectively I look crazy and he looks calm, cool and sane and everything has a reasonable explanation, but all of it was gaslighting, lies and manipulations. I have a few real lies right now I can expose -- 1) he dodged "service" this past January and someone opened his door and said he did not live there and the server wrote an affidavit to expose that 2) thurs his lawyer put together a letter saying that Steve denies the contempt we asserted and said it never happened -- we wrote back saying he has an email he wrote himself stating that he did one of the things -- he then in a recant admitted it happened, but says I never opposed the contempt which is a bold faced lie. There is an email saying I opposed and also my friend who was in the house heart me opposing it 3) he lied in his complaint to me and it can be totally disproved what he asserted I am hoping that those lies will begin to erode at his credibility and the games he is going to play with the GAL. Additionally, when I was representing myself for a short time -- he told me that I was not to communicate with him lawyer I was only to negotiate with him and that I was to send all paperwork for court directly to him and not his lawyer -- so, I sent him a copy of "answer" to his complaint certified as well as a copy to his atty -- today, the letter came back that it was never claimed. I think that is a good game to expose. The videotaping will help, the not calling her for 9 weeks right after the settlement will be helpful. The fact that on Thanksgiving he threatened to walk away and friends were here to hear it --- and many other nutty facts. I decided I am going to arrange my book like this --- history and archives -- supporting outrageous emails (not a crazy amount), but then emails to support every visit post settlement which will show all the shinanagans and the lies. I will also have letters from his exwife, ex-gfs all who talk about his abuse and craziness and then a few letters to my minister, my therapist and to social services begging for help due to the emotional abuse. Any other thoughts on how I should organize? So, my parents, after 2 days of deliberation and talking to a friend that is a lawyer decided it was best to throw him off balance by declining his offer. They realized he was using Sophie to get to them. My guess is -- it was his doorway into them to get their ear and try to persuade them that I am crazy and I am hurting everyone by continuing this thing and that he would try to convince them to talk to me -- he has tried that before. My guess is he would try to tug at their heart strings for the manipulation game to work on this. That manipulation and control and using Sophie for access would be great to record, but we thought it was too risky -- that things could get more inflamed so they opted to throw him off balance by declining. It will shock him because he knows my parents would just through rings of fire for my daughter. It will be good. They basically said something like this "thanks for the offer, we appreciate it, but your time is precious with Sophie and we do not want to interfere upon that time, we hope you all have a good time. Thanks again." That way we all dodge a bullet. They made that decision on their own accord out of fear of him trying to manipulate them and them not being able to contain themselves particularly in front of Sophie -- they didn't want him to have a bad story that would hurt us and her. So that is where this one fell. Any commentary on the other stuff would be great ! I really appreciate the support in this !! Thanks

a woman learning to love again

Feb 28 - 7AM (Reply to #7)
agnesmurphy17
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Reneek

The "old Lawyer" should be contacted. In his position, I would go to my file. I would have the date of the verbal offer in the file. The lawyer can write a letter that the offer was on the table, never in writing, but verbal. Your lawyer's word is good enough in a court of law. Actually, much better than your word. Also, your parents made the right call. Every act is all about him & there is something in it for him, if, in a three day visit in Fla. he wants to go over to your parent's house. That makes no sense. He's up to something.
Feb 28 - 8AM (Reply to #8)
itreallyisabouthim
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Actually I don't think a

Actually I don't think a note in a lawyer's file would make the cut as evidence, if this is going to trial. I suppose the lawyer could testify, but I think if s/he does, the attorney-client privilege is compromised and that entire history of communication is potentially wide open. Or something like that. It might help with the GAL, though. And I think the letter from your ex attorney to his (referring to walking away) should be accessible to you. But it would be hearsay if both lawyers are not present to testify, and again I think that opens up a can of worms. Maybe not, though, and definitely worth checking out if it is going to make or break your case.
Feb 27 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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reneek

even if HE didn't put it in writing - if you have things from your old lawyer and the ex-wife that show he discussed these things with them - it would shore up your assertion. Also the stuff from the process server and everything about him lying and blocking any progress with the divorce would be great. Showing him to be obstructist - especially where his child is concerning - are great. Hang in there. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Feb 28 - 12AM (Reply to #6)
itreallyisabouthim
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I agree - you get enough

I agree - you get enough stuff undermining his credibility and shoring up yours, and the judge may just plain believe you. There was so much about your story that reminded me of mine. I feel for you. Even though you got a lawyer vs. a therapist GAL (right?) they can see through stuff, too. They may not have the correct clinical diagnosis for it, but I think that doesn't mean they won't believe you over him based on their past experience. My lawyer's been doing this a long time and while she doesn't really know what a Narcissist is, she has offered that he lacks empathy, is immature and that we ought to bank on him NEVER ever changing or growing. Pretty good for a lay person. Yes, hang in there. He is articulate and slippery, but it is HARD to keep track of lies, no matter how big his brain may be.