A question on obsessive thoughts

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#1 Jun 18 - 1PM
Scoop
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A question on obsessive thoughts

Has anyone ever had these obsessive thoughts when they have broken up with someone who WAS NOT a narc or psycopath . Is it a legacy unique to the deranged narc .
Scoopx

Jun 19 - 7AM
helldweller
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I'm glad you ask about obssessive feelings for non-narcs

My ex-husband turned out to be bipolar and alcoholic. No clues when we were dating or engaged. It was a nightmare. I did stay with him for years, through many separations and divorce petitions that we ended up resolving to try again. I mostly stayed with him because we were married, because it was a promise, because of our religion, because of our children. When it was over, it was over. I still see him and talk to him all of the time, and he is very needy and still thinks we might get back together some day, but I am very firm with him and honestly do not having feelings for him other than "family" type feelings. I have to sort of lead him by the hand and encourage him to be stronger and live his own life. I thought he was a narcissist when I was with him . . .self-centered, selective memory, reflected his bad traits onto me, took no responsibility, etc. HOWEVER, I realize now that he was not NPD because he could actually feel sorry, feel sad, be repentant, and grow from what happened. Before our divorce, he committed arson (he was a firefighter), and he was a local writer, too, so it was on the front page and it was a nightmare for my children and me. But it wasn't as bad as this is with the narc. My ex husband was ten thousand times more desirable, useful, accomplished, fun, smart, sociable, etc. than the narc, but IT IS THE NARC AND THE NARC ALONE who has this magical vise around my brain. Even my ex husband throws up his hands and says, "Really, honey? THIS guy?" He complains that i was never so obssessed with him, and he can't understand that someone so useless would have such power over me. I often think about my first boyfriend, who I was with for four years. He was the life of the party, everyone's favorite, a minor celebrity everywhere we went. It was hard to be with him sometimes, because he was always sort of everywhere and definitely had narcissistic traits, but when he cheated on me, I dumped him and walked away. Over the years, I still knew him, and he changed: he never settled down and got married, but he grew up, pursued a career he really wanted, became successful and stable, and he tells women upfront, "I should not be married, and you must understand this before we go out." He is very careful to not take advantage of affections or admiration. So, so different from the narc. I never looked back to him, either. No one else was ever a problem.
Jun 19 - 7AM
helldweller
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I'm glad you ask about obssessive feelings for non-narcs

My ex-husband turned out to be bipolar and alcoholic. No clues when we were dating or engaged. It was a nightmare. I did stay with him for years, through many separations and divorce petitions that we ended up resolving to try again. I mostly stayed with him because we were married, because it was a promise, because of our religion, because of our children. When it was over, it was over. I still see him and talk to him all of the time, and he is very needy and still thinks we might get back together some day, but I am very firm with him and honestly do not having feelings for him other than "family" type feelings. I have to sort of lead him by the hand and encourage him to be stronger and live his own life. I thought he was a narcissist when I was with him_-self-centered, selective memory, reflected his bad traits onto me, took no responsibility, etc. HOWEVER, I realize now that he was not NPD because he could actually feel sorry, feel sad, be repentant, and grow from what happened. Before our divorce, he committed arson (he was a firefighter), and he was a local writer, too, so it was on the front page and it was a nightmare for my children and me. But it wasn't as bad as this is with the narc. My ex husband was ten thousand times more desirable, useful, accomplished, fun, smart, sociable, etc. than the narc, but he has this magical vise around my brain. Even my ex husband throws up his hands and says, "Really, honey? THIS guy?" He complains that i was never so obssessed with him, and he can't understand that someone so useless would have such power over me.
Jun 18 - 11PM
loveofmylife
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Scoop

I had a very civil breakup from my 4 year college boyfriend (we considered eachother soulmates and were together 24/7 and loved eachother very, very deeply, but he wanted to get married and I did not) and of course several other long term breakups. In each of these, I was sad for a bit after those breakups, maybe for a few months, but then it was over. And I was NEVER obsessed with any of them. So here I am with N for 20 years, and we have not even had a physical relationship, just an intense emotional one, and I am completely obsessed over him. And like LIsa said, it is the CD. It is the replaying everything in my mind, what did things really mean, is he really good or bad, what could i have done differently, what did he do that? and on and on and on. And worrying about who he is with and what he is doing and when will he contact me and what did that little text mean and on and on. And like Lisa, i did lose my mind about three years back. And just for purposes of showing the irony, i'm a very intelligent person and very stable and grounded...and I can't believe something like this would mess me up mentally so much to cause me to be physically non functional for one year. I think Sandra Brown's article said "enough to bring a woman down" or something like that. It is soooo true!
Jun 18 - 11PM
enoughalready
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break up

I broke up w/ all my bf's. The majority of them were mild cerebral narcs and the last one was a somatic narc. The last XN was the worse as I had and have obsessive thoughts of him. This was by far the worse break up. I usually had good thoughts of all the break-ups afterwards but this one- not one good thought comes to mind.
Jun 18 - 1PM
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Scoop

I can tell you that I have broken up with every person that I have ever dated BUT the XN. I am not sure if this has anything to do with why the break up is so hard or if it is so hard simply because he is an N. I ahve never been on this end of a break up (except with him every time) so I am sure that plays a factor in my thoughts. All I can think of is what did I do wrong? These thoughts are getting better because I know that nothing I could have done would have helped, but it sure doesnt help that he left me.

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Jun 18 - 2PM (Reply to #6)
Lisa E. Scott
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Yes, there is a reason we obsess more about narcissists

Great question, Scoop! Yes, there is absolutely a reason why we obsess more about narcissists than any other relationship that ends. The reason is "Cognitive Dissonance," which is the difficulty of trying to hold two opposing thoughts or beliefs at the same time. A positive and negative association about the same object. In college, when I first learned about Cognitive Dissonance, the easiest way for me to understand this was to relate it to smoking. At the time, I liked to smoke cigarettes, but I knew it was bad for me. In the case of a relationship with a narcissist, we hold a positive and negative association about him as well. Sandra Brown explains it perfectly: "He's 'good' AND he's 'bad.' How can he be good AND bad?! Just trying to resolve that one thought can leave women's minds tangled up for years!" Because we're human, we actually did love this man. It may have been an act for him, but not us. Therefore, when we're trying to get over the relationship, we are experiencing major Cognitive Dissonance, which causes obsessive thoughts to go through the roof! We are questioning ourselves and replaying everything that happened in our head. We are analyzing it and looking at it a million different ways because we are so confounded by what happened. We can't figure out how we feel about it (i.e. him). We hate him, but we love him. It is the biggest MIND F*CK ever! Add to that, his little "drop-in" messages to get some validation and you could lose your mind. I literally did lose my mind, but was brought back to sanity with the help of CBT. Here's a great article by Sandra Brown on the topic: All Memory is Not Created Equal -- Positive Memory Seepage by Sandra Brown, MA We already know that intrusive thought is associated with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder as well as other emotional trauma disorders. However, many of the survivors say what is most painful is not necessarily the intrusive thoughts of the bad stuff or even the violence. It's the intrusive thoughts of all the good times that are really hard to deal with. Intrusive thoughts are not just bad thoughts or flashbacks. They can be intrusive from positive memories as well. Positive memories are embued with deep emotional and psychological 'meaning.' The meaning of the relationship, various happy moments, the deep feeling of attachments, the fantastic sex -- can all be power packed into positive memories. Positive memories are also embedded with all the sights, sounds, smells, sensations, feelings, the associated meaning of the events, and the remembrances of a happier time. The positive memories can also be tied up with a ribbon of fantasy and romanticized feelings. That's a lot of power packed into a few positive memories that has the TNT emotional factor to blow your 'stay-away-from-him' resolve -- sky high. All memories are not stored the same. I've talked about this before... positive memory is stored differently in the brain and is more easily accessible than some bad memories. Many traumatic memories are stored in another part of the brain that make them harder to access. Sometimes the more traumatic they are, the harder it is to remember. Unfortunately, what you might want to remember most is the bad part of the relationships so it motivates you to stay away from it. But instead, it's murky and not always fresh in your mind about 'why' you should be avoiding the pathological relationship. But what IS easy to remember is all the positive memory. In fact, what has become obtrusive and intrusive, is positive memory seepage -- where all the good times and the associated 'senses' (taste, touch, smell,etc.) are flooding your mind. You easily remember the good times and easily forget the bad times -- all based on how and where these types of memories are stored in the brain. You NEED the bad memories but you REMEMBER the good ones -- constantly. In addition, that which is held internally is amplified. Almost like putting it under a magnifying glass -- the feelings, memories, taste/touch/smell, are all BIGGER and STRONGER when the memory simply rolls around in your head. It's a lot like a pin ball machine -- memories pinging and ponging off of internal elements. The more it pings and pongs, the stronger the memory moves around the mind. Memories kept in the mind also take on 'sur-real like qualities' -- certain parts are like a movie -- fantasy based, romanticized. The positive memories are dipped in crystallized sugar and become tantalizing treats instead of dreaded dead beats! While engaged in this positive memory seepage -- it doesn't feel like you are indulging yourself in toxic memories -- it feels like you are trying to 'process' the relationship -- 'why did we do this', 'why did he say that', 'why was it like that then, but it's like this now'... It feels like what you are trying to do is sort out the relationship. But all the sorting of this dirty laundry still leaves the same amount of piles of clothes in your head.You're just moving the same shirt from pile to pile -- but it's all the same dirty laundry. Nothing is getting cleaned up. Positive memory seepage as intrusive thought is a big contributor to the cognitive dissonance women feel in the aftermath of these relationships. Cognitive Dissonance (or C.D. as we refer to it as) is the difficulty of trying to hold two opposing thoughts or beliefs at the same time. That's usually "he's good" AND "he's bad" = "How can he be good AND bad?" Just trying to resolve that one thought can leave women's minds tangled up for years! Cognitive Dissonance can single-handedly take women down -- it can cause her to be unable to concentrate, work, sleep, eat, or function. It's like the little image of the devil sitting on one of your shoulders and the angel sitting on your other shoulder and they are both whispering in your ear. That's exactly like C.D. -- trying to decide which thing you are going to believe... that he's bad for you, or that he's good for you. Positive memory seepage produces intrusive thoughts. Intrusive thoughts, especially about positive memories, produces cognitive dissonance. These emotional processes feed each other like a blood-enduced shark fest. It's ONE of the single biggest reasons women don't disengage from the relationship, heal, or return to a higher level of functioning. Now that we've identified 'what' is really at the heart of the aftermath of symptoms -- we know that treating Cognitive Dissonance is really the most important recovery factor in pathological love relationships. http://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com
Jun 18 - 3PM (Reply to #7)
betty2020
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Could you explain CBT?

Could you explain CBT? Thanks

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Jun 18 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
Lisa E. Scott
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betty2020

CBT is based on the scientifically supported assumption that most emotional and behavioral reactions are learned. The goal of therapy is to help you unlearn unwanted reactions and learn a new way of reacting. When you understand how and why you are doing something (cognitively), you are better able to control your behavior or reactions. I believe success in life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we react to it. CBT has nothing to do with "just talking". People can "just talk" with anyone. Personally, I'd rather talk to someone who understands what I'm going through than pay someone to listen to me talk who doesn't get it. Hence, the purpose of this board. We have to talk about it and "get it out." That's the first step towards healing. When you feel ready to take back control of your life, CBT is a great way to get yourself back in the driver's seat of your future. CBT leads to long term results because you are literally retraining your brain via cognitive exercises. When people understand how and why they are doing what they are doing, they are better able to stay in control of their behavior.
Jun 18 - 1PM (Reply to #2)
Scoop
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rainbow

I have broken up with most of my boyfriends , i sometimes think this is karma .. i was broken up with from another narc about 15 years ago , he was a violent man with a huge coke habbit .Funny i found photos of him in the move and i can quite honestly say "what the hell did i see in him .. what a wanker " he fancyed himself as a model and he made me take photos in diffrent poses . hehehe then we went round all the agencys in london to see if they would sign him up .. they didnt .hehehe, Actualy this gives me heart as i was devastated over him but now i wouldnt look twise at him . hmm . Scoop x
Jun 18 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
rainbow1
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scoop

And in a few mores years you will think of the N this way! You will see a picture of him and think to yourself, "what was I thinking?!" I cant wait for that day!

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Jun 18 - 2PM (Reply to #4)
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ladies

I have been with 2 narcs in my life...they were the one's I was "head over heels" with. Every other relationship, I too did the dumping. So not as much obsessive thoughts. Maybe some regret that I was a bad person, or why couldn't I stay in love with this person. Now with the narcs, both break-ups were AWFUL and obsessive thoughts continued forever. I didn't know the first one was a narc...I just thought I was crazy. Now I know. But this time around it's been MUCH worse.
Jun 19 - 7AM (Reply to #5)
smileyfacepr
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Me 2!

I have broken up w/all my ex's except this one and sometimes I think it is karma also bt I was not a bitch about it! I also was never so inlove w/anyone in my life, I could literally feel my heart engorge w/love for this man when I thought of him. I guess maybe the rejection of him is the hardest part, the way he has easily erased me! I want so bad to get rid of the obssesive thoughts they r making me sick, I too have felt like breaking NC but I just cant, Im to scared of what will come of it and I feel nothing good, hed prob.make me feel like"oh here we go again"!! I just cant cope w/the idea of never seeing him again or knowing where he is or what he is up to! I feel I shouldnt care at this point, but I do!!! I just dont know if ill ever trust anyone again!!I dont even think about dating yet, I cant picture myself w/anyone else! For what? I prob. wont love like this again because even though it may not have been real and deep for him, it was for me!!

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