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#1 Sep 30 - 5PM
ShaynasMommy
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Question to the group

did any of you feel like you totally built up the N to a status he would have never achieved had he not bamboozled you into the relationship? For example, mine was a complete bum. I know, I had reaaly baaaad taste and a sucker for a sob story. Anyways, He was employed part time cleaning parking lots, national guard duty one weekend a month/ one week per year. His total monthly income couldnt have been more than a couple hundred bucks at the time. He was attending junior college, but only to screw around and fill up his off time by hunting supply. He got a government grant for school and blew it on a piece of shit car and some other crap he didnt need. When he met me, he suddenly moved out of the apt he shared with some other losers and was living high on the hog with me, driving my newer, nicer car, living rent free, no job, food in his belly, roof over his head, everything he could ask for and more, the love of a fantastic woman who was going places. Then I started to ask him to catch up with me, to pull his own weight and grow the fuck up. After a long struggle, he finally managed to become semi responsible insofar as to get a working car, good credit, a quasi-career, etc. It looked like his life was finally on track, then the D&D. I was so fucking mad because it felt like he was a social climber and myself and my family was just the ladder. We gave so much just to be shit on repeatedly.
So I hear that he is again in school, University this time, and his wife has it going on with a pretty good career as a special education teacher with the public schools in CA. I really have a hard time knowing he's probably doing the exact same thing as a "student," whoreing around behind wifey's back while pretending to better himself. And the sad part is, she is probably working her ass off to fund his "education."
Anybody else get where I'm coming from?

Oct 1 - 1PM
Briseis
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This is exactly what

This is exactly what happened to me. When I met my exN, I was working with him, but he was nonprofessional staff. He rode his bike to work "for the exercise" but I find out much later he lost his lisence due to a DUI. He rented a room in a big old house in the Old Town district, but it turns out to be a sober living home for drug addicts. When he moved in with me, to a house I owned free and clear in the suburbs of San Diego, he had six or seven boxes and a few bags of clothing. ALL of the clothing was donated clothing (I'd heard later, again, of course). After I got rid of him, my lawyer and I found three serious misdemeanors from South Dakota he was on the lam from. He'd also managed to get a meth possession some time in that last terrible year before the end that I was unaware of. Since I got rid of him, that meth possession ended up getting him a felony and a years probation. Within three weeks of getting that conviction, he was busted with SIX firearms and was sent to prison for two years. He got out in September, and by the end of December, was busted for meth possession again. Now he is in custody again. I had convinced myself (with a lot of help from him) that he was a man who'd made some mistakes after his first wife left him (did I mention he NEVER divorced her and was married to me at the same time?). It's all so clear with hindsight, of course. I think in some ways he really did hope to live a better life, and clamped on to me, a middle class RN working mom with a nice house and a good income. He managed to destroy me financially (while I looked the other way), almost get ME in trouble for being in cahoots with his drug activity, and I ended up a shell of myself that had nothing and needed to live with my little sister for well over a year before I dared go back out on my own. Just in case anyone thinks I sailed through with great strength and wisdom LOL!! NOT! This is all pure butt-kicked get-real wake up and smell the coffee before you are dead kind of education. I was bamboozled by a simple con and drug addict. I had him made up into something he was definitely NOT. I am horrified, in retrospect, utterly horrified.
Oct 3 - 1AM (Reply to #15)
girlfriday
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Briseis

Well, your experience wasn't completely in vain. Your hard-won wisdom is very helpful around here :-)
Oct 1 - 1PM
brokenglass
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I know excatly how you feel.

I feel the same way ShaynasMommy....I know of 3 relationships before me. Two were marriages, ALL of those women got smart early and got out (I envy them! lol) First wife divorced him for Fraud Second wife divorced him for lying and stealing (they have a son which his wages are garnished for, he's never seen boy except right after he was born) He was a bum basically when we met, and he played the "poor pity me" song so well!!! All ex's cheated on him, he was recently out of a "gang", family didn't understand him and THEY of course were all disfunctional, blah blah blah.... I was the main income for the MAJORITY of the 10 years (yes, 10 years, I'm an idiot!) we were together. I came into the relationship with an apt fully furnished, a good job, credit, a car, friends, hobbies, and what I THOUGHT was a good set of boundries and healthy self-awareness.... I was D&D'd 8 months ago........... So, here I am now: No credit No car No furniture No apt (I share the room my daughter rents with her) I work for a retail store I'm in therapy I suffer from PTSD No savings left My current belongings consist of two suitcases of clothes, and my bathroom personals. And here HE is now Married (who paid for this?) New Apt (hers?) Child on the way (what about the one he has!) Finally going to the DR. for his arthritis condition (never went to the DR. before) Such a better life now!! She is offering him everything I offered him in the beginning. And I ask myself almost every day: Did I teach him to be a better Narc? Has he grown out of his disorder? Did the light finally go on? Is he going to change for her? Will the baby cause him to become responsible? Of everything I have read and learned mine fits the Cluster B personality profle. So you all know what I went thru and tolerated for 10 years....if I could just KNOW in my heart that he WON'T change it would make it easier to focus on healing myself. Because I wage a war within my heart and my head every day of how much to heal...Take my own culpability in staying and tolerating this abuse for so long? And how to grow so it never happens again? Or do THAT AS WELL as try to come to terms that I just "wasn't enough" and this NEW wife is THE ONE who can make him turn around??? I've gotten some validation from his last wife, the mother of his son. She's told me he's the "biggest con man she has ever met"...but I still wonder most days if he's "woken up" or if they ever "grow out of this" I know excatly how you feel...I feel the same way every day
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
ShaynasMommy
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broken glass

No, no, no.........you were always MORE THAN ENOUGH for the likes of him. Way more. the problem is he doesn't know that. No, having a baby doesn't grow anyone up all by itself. Either your an adult at the core or your'e not. Narcs suffer from arrested deveopment that happens when they are toddlers. It never cures itself. Another woman cannot make them get better or grow up. This never happens. It was not you, it was HIM. OK? take care, sweetie, thanks for replying.
Sep 30 - 6PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Oh yeah!

Both my EXNs moved in with me. My EXNH was taking classes while living with me and not working at all before we got married. I supported us completely. I had a laptop from work that I would bring home for my EXNH to use for his studies. One time at the beginning of a weekend, we got in an argument. He decided to leave. On his way out, without any hesitation, he picked up MY laptop bag and walked out saying he couldn't deal with me and was going to stay somewhere else for the weekend. I kept searching for my laptop in total disbelief that he took it with him.
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
shortway
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I let mine live in my

I let mine live in my family's home when he didn't have a place to live..I gave him my mother's boyfriends blinds for his new apartments..He didn't end up using them..So I eventually asked for them back for her boyfriend..He said I can find them in the dumpster...They get to the point they don't care how others view them too..Since we blocked each other on our cell's I wrote something from my mother's phone and specifically said it was her phone...He even said insults on there,like telling me he would be happy if i crashed into a tree..My mother saw it and said,"doesn't he think i might read these...how could he write this stuff if he knows it is possible I might read it...She is the one who let him live here..They don't care about anyone!
Sep 30 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
michele115 (not verified)
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Ms. Scott...Allow me to top you....

Imagine my bewilderment when I noted the bugger STOLE my dustpan! Take solace that on some level, the Narc you refer to at least had some sense of "value"...LMAO!
Sep 30 - 6PM (Reply to #10)
Lisa E. Scott
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Michele

Dust pan?! OMG, thank you for giving me a good laugh! I needed it tonight! :) xoxo
Sep 30 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
shortway
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hahahhahahahh dustpan!

hahahhahahahh dustpan!
Sep 30 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
michele115 (not verified)
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Shortway...

AND...this was before I knew what I was dealing with...a NARC. Picture me all over the house looking for the dustpan. He had moved out but was still staying over. In the throes of my depression, I had let all housework go to hell but when he left, I decided to do a top to bottom clean up...you could eat off the floors. He expressed resentment about it and at that point, I was being a tad passive agressive due to the crazy making. This was during my acceptance that his fuckeduptedness was "my fault" but of course in the back of my mind, I was processing all the garbage he was heaping on me. In anger, I called him - he said something that infuriated me and he was trying to convince me I was crazy...uh huh. So I leave a voicemail message and I said: You know something, you're really friggin diabolical, but I'm on to you. I bet YOU stole my dustpan. So I'll tell you what, you want to label me crazy...I'll play the friggin role okay. In fact, take note that I am soooo frigging crazy, I intend to sue you in small claims court for my dustpan! Yes, I am fully aware that the costs of suing you totally trumps the value of my dustpan HOWEVER, note that I have nothing but time on my hands, and I AM CRAZY, so there is nothing more that would bring me pleasure but to drag your ass in court over a dustpan!...CLICK! Next day he bought a new dustpan...giggle...
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
shortway
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OMG!!!!!"You know something,

OMG!!!!!"You know something, you're really friggin diabolical, but I'm on to you. I bet YOU stole my dustpan. So I'll tell you what, you want to label me crazy...I'll play the friggin role okay. In fact, take note that I am soooo frigging crazy, I intend to sue you in small claims court for my dustpan! Yes, I am fully aware that the costs of suing you totally trumps the value of my dustpan HOWEVER, note that I have nothing but time on my hands, and I AM CRAZY, so there is nothing more that would bring me pleasure but to drag your ass in court over a dustpan!...CLICK!" I havent laughed this hard in SOOOOOOOOO Llong..thanks you so much for that...omg we have the saem sense of humor,we would have a field day!!!
Sep 30 - 6PM (Reply to #5)
Lisa E. Scott
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Michele

Ha! Love this story! Good for you for giving him a piece of your mind. He deserved it! xoxo
Oct 1 - 11AM (Reply to #6)
Alive
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lol

mine took my cooking pots!!!??? lol.
Oct 1 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
ShaynasMommy
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wow,

what a bunch of crazy klepto narcs! LOL
Oct 2 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
blueeyes
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My H is a hibitual Klepto

When he moved in, my daighter (wr at the time) had 130 for clothes shopping mysteriously gone. Two months later, I had my ipod (big 500 GB) missing. My daughters addrell, empty capsules? Then cope come to our house and say he's been steali|g from our local dept store and arrest him. Then his lazy ass getsa jo, gets arrested for stealing. I walk round w my purse! There's more but u see!