Project for Everyone

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#1 Apr 7 - 6AM
kizzy72
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Project for Everyone

This is a spin off from the thread about my therapist advice.

Every time you start to self doubt, think about what my therapist said, if not using a child for example, but even stepping outside of yourself and pretending that you are a friend/sister/brother/father/mother of a person going through the exact same thing you are, who is blaming herself and can't see the reality of the situation.

Make a list of everything this person has said to you or has done to you, using yourself as a third person or another person; you can include the charming things as the pro's

I'll start (you don't have to post yours, just write it down on a piece of paper):

She meets a man on facebook, who seems very charming, educated, graduated from the Naval Academy, is a former Marine. Everything seems to be going well with the friendship, as that is all she is seeking from him.

The man starts off very charming and seemed to know, empathize and accept her and that she suffers with depression, telling her she is melancholic, but it doesn't bother him, and he wants to help her work through HER issues.

Starts off the friendship/relationship with a lot of charm and compassion, and talks to her for hours, getting to know EVERYTHING about her, and she learns some of his demons as well, as he uses this to make her feel comfortable in letting her guard down in order for her to reveal more information about herself.

Tells her that she's beautiful, she's worthy, she inspires him, that not everyone will see her value right away like he does.

She tells you that she starts to notice little things that he does in relation to other people that are strange.

She confides in him several times a week about her problems because he told her to express her feelings honestly.

He tells her that based on an email she sent that they need to talk and appears to want to talk to her to help her sort out the "problem" she's having.

She talks to him a second time on the phone and notices and instant change in personality. He's cursing and abrasive, doesn't remember telling her certain things from the first conversation.

He asked to reveal her soul and what's really bothering her, she then tells him, her weight is bothering her the most which he knew about from the first conversation and was compassionate about, knowing she gained it because of steroids, but he insist she reveals her weight to him, which she tells him she's not comfortable with, but he threatens to hang up on her if she doesn't tell him her weight.

Has been talking to this guy who has told her she's melancholic (depressive), and he told her he wants to help her, but she is being talked AT (not to) like she's a child, being called childish, selfish, when she has been very open and giving with that man, using how she feels and what she has revealed to him to make her feel worse.

When she ask a question about him, he gets on the defense and accuses her of fishing for a story.

Charming her, saying "baby" and "sweetheart", but claiming to be someone of the church.

She ask him one more question about him based on something he told her from the first conversation which he doesn't remember, then again accuses her of fishing for a story.

She ask him what's wrong and why he seems so agitated, he then yells "Why are you worrying about what I'm thinking!!!!!!"

Then he hangs up on her, she then finds out from her law enforcement family that.....

He has a criminal background

The man is Is/Was an alcoholic, and has served prison time twice for DUI's, driving on a suspended license and possession of marijuana.

Has a brother who has a similar criminal background (obvious signs of family issues and similarities)

Owes tones of money to the IRS

Has tax liens

Has lived in multiple places and never had a steady place to live

Has serious mommy and daddy issues and has said that he HATES his mother and father (which by the way, is shown in forensic psychology to be one of the major key factors of even serial killers).

Has serious mood swings

Ignores her as way of making her feel bad

Gives her the silent treatment, but blatantly makes it clear to her that he's online by posting stuff on his facebook wall.

Has no identity of his own and lives through the successes of others.

Has a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde personality

Now, I have to sit back and re-read this and ask myself. What could my friend have possibly done wrong to have been treated this way?

NO one deserves this, its uncalled for, its immature on his part, its rude, and its abusive.

I know my friend. She is very sweet, sensitive, caring, sympathetic and empathetic, does have depression issues, so for someone to know she does, but belittles her, hangs up on her, makes her feel bad, is not a good person.

She needs to walk away.......

Apr 7 - 7AM
Used
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questions

one of the first things exn asked me[ oh so gently and caring] are you afraid of anything used, i said no, nothing!!!, so i must have had a gut instinct right away, pity i didnt call a halt to it then, but i didnt so there i go.
Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #12)
Deidre40
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to >>> used

yes...i hear ya. with this new man...i told him my fears of loss since childhood, and all he has done is play into that...making me think he's going to dump me all the time. (he says he never will, but he says things that contradict that...like ...if you say that again, i'm breaking up with you) what causes people like this to do this? he said to me yesterday...''i am much calmer than i used to be. back in the day, i used to punch someone if they looked at me wrong.'' not sure why he shared that with me.
Apr 7 - 7AM
Deidre40
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I'm at a loss for words. For

I'm at a loss for words. For I could be this very woman. Except for the weight part. I don't have a weight issue, but I have shared things with this new man...and he said those very things...he wants to help me through my issues. All he has done is exploit them. :=( Thanks for posting this for us to read. Helpful. Everything I read is helpful...why can't I leave.
Apr 7 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
kizzy72
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and what makes him so sick is.......

I was confiding in him about my weight a few days before and telling him that I think part of the problem as to why I don't try to lose it is because its been a shield to see who's real and who's not; like a protective shield. So for him to ask me how much I weigh and to threaten to hang up on me was like he was playing a reverse psychology on me or something. But I think I protected myself by asking him why he got fired from his job a year ago, because it was like I was reversing the question back onto him and his situation is far worse and I didn't even realize this until today. I can lose the weight, but he can't lose his criminal record; and God only knows why he got fired a year ago, if that was even true. Narcs make up lies just to get you to let your guard down or he could have been drunk when he told me.
Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #8)
Used
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deidre40

you can leave, you are stuck,as we all were and are, this arsehole is taking you a very dark and terrible place, dont let him, getting away from him now will not be as painful as staying with him ,he will take you to the abyss[they all live there] and you wont be able to get out if you stay with himx
Apr 7 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
Deidre40
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to >>> used

used...i know...everything you say is true. he wasn't this way in the beginning. why do they turn???
Apr 7 - 7AM
momoya
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Powerful Perspective

That is a good way to get clear perspective and good advice to newbies too. Weight issues are sensitive and personal and I don't really understand why he needed to know you exact number, what does it matter? thanks for sharing this!

momoya

Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #6)
kizzy72
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Exactly momoya!

My weight number she not have been a factor because we were not dating, no clues of interest in one another accept friendship, he hadn't even asked me out on a date, never flirted before this conversation and our relationship was suppose to be strictly on the basis on what he claimed to do in a ministry at his fathers church, and that was to help people with special gifts who have self esteem issues, so that left me to thinking, what was his ulterior motives, because even after finding out my weight, he asked me again how much I weighed. Now either this was important to him because he was thinking in more terms of dating me, (BUT not telling me, which means he was being dishonest), or he has black outs because of drinking. This is why I asked him (which of course he never gave me an answer), why my weight is a subject and does he only help thin people? But I rationalize that because even after this, he gave me all of his numbers; work, cell and home and insisted I NOT give his number to anyone; and was very abrasive with telling me not to give his number out. At first I thought it was because of his celebrity brother, but considering his record, I'm wondering if he has warrants. So much I don't know, but there were a lot of red flags and no matter what, I did not deserve to be treated the way he treated me.
Apr 7 - 7AM
kizzy72
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And for those who have asked me.......

I am starting to see a very similar repeated pattern in every relationship I've had with me, on a friendship level and on an intimate level, so there is something IN ME that needs to be healed. Every relationship I've been in has been abusive, emotionally, physically and mentally. I've tolerated it, so the question is, why? As my therapist said, it is because I think other people are more important than myself. So why do I feel this way? This is the key
Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
momoya
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Just my 2 cents

For me, I learned my Mother taught me not to say no to others and she was constantly volunteering me for family needs - ie they needed something and she offered her child to help with whatever it was - yard work, babysitting, washing clothes. So I always thought I had to be helpful, esp to family! Now I am seeing that my own Mother never says no to anyone and she is constantly exhausted and never takes time for herself, I think for her when things calm down and become normal she gets uncomfortable with herself and her issues. I have learned to say no, but I noticed this about her and our relationship.

momoya

Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #3)
kizzy72
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It does come from our childhood

A lot of how I feel started as a result of me always as a child trying to win my fathers approval, and he always, especially when he was married, placed me at the bottom of his list, so I always felt abandoned by my dad emotionally. Then when I was little, my grandfather, who was a minister of a church, became depressed after my grandmother passed away (four months after I was born), and became an alcoholic. My grandfather lived with me and my mother, and they would often argue because of his drinking, so as I got older around 7 or 8 I would do things to prevent them from arguing, but I loathed my grandfather. He would often get drunk, fall down the stairs, and I would have to lift him to get him back up. He would defecate on himself and it would be all over the bathroom and I would have to clean it up before my mother got home so she wouldn't be angry. I was molested as a child by an older cousin, who, when visiting them in North Carolina, would sneak into the room I was sleeping in, on the floor, and my dad was sleeping in the same room, but this cousin would come in, while I was sleep and fondle me, which explains why I have a problem sleeping with my door open and unlocked for years.
Apr 7 - 7AM (Reply to #4)
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When my dad found out I was molested

Which he didn't find out until my late twenties, pulled a "General's Daughter" on me and told me not to tell anyone so the family's image wouldn't be hurt. I don't know if anyone has seen that movie, but can you imagine how I felt?