Please help! I've done all the work but I am back here

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#1 Apr 19 - 7PM
rainbow1
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Please help! I've done all the work but I am back here

This will be long but please hang in and offer some help.

Hello everyone. I havent been on here in a very long time. In that time a lot of stuff has happened. I was NC with the N. I blocked him from every aspect of my life. We have the same friends so I would avoid any place they told me he would be. I was feeling soooooooo much better.

I felt like my old self again. I rarely thought of him. I did not miss him. I was happy and living my life. But it was mostly because I hated him. I had no desire to ever see him. But like always, the hate fades away and then it become exhausting avoiding him.

He slowly came back around but I was still doing good. I would let him know where I live, I wouldnt see him and refused to talk to him if the conversation turned to being about us. But that slowly faded too.....

And I started letting him come get our dog to take to the park. I listened to him talk about how much he misses us. I let him call and text daily and I responded. I would go to a "friendly" lunch with him. I slowly let him back info my life. This process took months however.

But I was still being somewhat strong! And I kept telling him we won't work, I listened to him cry for hours about how lucky he would be to have me back, that he wanted our old life back, that he wanted to marry me. He was doing all the things I love, like texting me good morning and being cute. And I kept telling him no. UNTIL, he said he would go to counseling with me. I told him this was the only way that I'd consider anything with him again.

This is something he has never NEVER wanted to do. He was kicked out of his parent's house as a child and the only way that they would let him back in was to go to counseling and he refused. So I figured that he must really love me if he was willing to do this. He convinced me that he was going to prove to me that he is 100% committed and wanted to have a future together. So I scheduled an appointment with my therapist. I believed him....

Then I heard he had been trying to get with other girls. So I yelled and him and freaked out. Probably over-reacted somewhat and blew up his phone. This turned on his rage! He yelled and me and then ignored me for 2 days. When he finally spoke with me it was saying horrible things about how crazy I am, how I havent changed and never will and how he will never try to be with me again.

The next day he laid on the charm again. We went on a street bike ride. He convinced me to buy an expensive helmet for myself. When I told him that I didnt want to because I dont have anyone to take me all the time he said he isnt going anywhere and loves me. He told me to just "be nice" to him so he doesnt have to rage like he did the day before. We went for a walk and had sex on the beach and had an actual grown up conversation about us. At least I thought. But counseling was that night and he said he wasnt going because he made other plans when he was angry with me. But he told me to schedule another one and he would go.

Then the next day we were fine. Then the day after that we were supposed to go get his little sister. He ignored me all day (something he knows I hate but does it daily). Then called me right before we were supposed to go and acted normal like he hadnt avoided multiple texts thtoughout the day. We went to get her and saw his family. They all said they were happy to have me back. He still was saying he would go to as many counseling sessions as I wanted and he wanted to be with me.

Then when I scheduled the next appointment he said he wouldnt go until I stopped talking to a guy I was kinda seeing (who is in our group of friends to the N knows him). I said that was fair. Then me and the N kept agruing about how he would ignore me all day. He wont respond during his breaks or lunch or call after work. That is honestly the only thing we fight about or ever have fought about. He knows I hate it!

I broke everything off with the other guy on Saturday. On Sunday me and the N had plans. But once again he ignored me for hours. Then when he finally called and we met up he was rude and angry. We went on a street bike ride with friends all day and by the end of the day the N was better. He bought me dinner after and kissed me and told me he loved me.

I asked him if I could schedule a THIRD appointment since I left the other guy like he told me to. He said he thinks since I just broke it off that we should go with the flow and relax! So after months of begging to get back together now that he has the chance he wants to go with the flow????!!!! I told him that wont work and left.

He ignored me the rest of the night and all the next day. I finally text him that if he doesnt respond we will be over. Thats when he said he could talk finally. All he said was that he knows ignoring me makes me feel unimportant but that he doesnt care because he doesnt want to have pointless convos with me. And he said he doesnt think we will work again and that we are better friends because all we do is fight. I spent the rest of the night begging him to change his mind and trying to convince him that if we went to counseling and worked on our issues it might be different this time only to be ignored.

So I went to a BBQ with some friends later that night and he was there. He didnt look at me or talk to me. I text him asking if I could come over later and finish our talk. He looked at the text, looked at me, and put it back in his pocket. So like a crazy person I went to his house and waited for him to get home because I had to get my feelings out and he refused to let me!

Im sure you can guess how that talk went? It was telling me I havnet changed, Im crazy, and refusing to work on the relationship. Finally to get me to leave he said we might be able to talk about it the next day.

That day is today. All he has told me today is that we wont work, I havent changed and never will. I have spent all day begging him to let me prove it to him that I can change and he is ignoring me. He said we can be friends.

Now here is the problem....... I have done all the work, I have read all the books, I have been in therapy, I have blocked him and felt recovered. So how did this happen!? How did I allow this to happen? I feel like Im right back I was a year ago. I cant sleep, I cant eat. And I keep asking myself HOW AND WHY he could do this! I have to re-read these books to understand him again. I dont get it. I thought I would never let him do this again. Even when he was trying I still had no attachment to him. But now that he is taking the option away and blaming me all I want to do is make it work. I want to prove that I am not crazy, I am not the same needy girl I was before. How do I fix this!?

Apr 20 - 10AM
rainbow1
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Thank you everyone.

Thank you for your comments. I think that the biggest issue that I am having is why he would do this? If all I want is to not be ignored then why ignore me so that we fight? It makes no sense to me! This time around that was the only thing that I asked of him. If he didnt ignore me then this time around I would of probably treated him like a king and did whatever he wanted. He would of gotten so much supply from me. So why would he throw away good supply because I asked him to not ignore me?! It doesnt make sense. He was texting and responding all the time during the hoovering phase but that slowly went away and then he didnt understand why I was so upset that I was being ignored now. And once I asked for it is when he took it away. He said he doesnt want me to "expect" him to do anything or he wont do it. He wants to do it on his own. So why would he throw away good supply over something so small? And if it was all a game just to get me to go from wanting nothing to do with him to wanting to be with him, it seems sad and silly for him. He wasted months trying to win me back over just to throw me away once he won. I dont get it. And now that he is done with me he will either go find new supply and be with her for awhile then circle back around to me when that doesnt work. Or he is going to get over his little temper tantrum in the next few days when he doesnt have anyone else and he will come back. Its exhausting.

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"dont let yesterday take up too much of today"

Apr 20 - 11AM (Reply to #9)
Scoop
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"never tell a narc what you

"never tell a narc what you want as thats a sure fired way of making sure you never get it " ... Google "silent treatment as a form of abuse " and read . With a narc if he can cause you frustration he will and he gets off on it .. remember youre pain is his pain killer .Youre narc has a long history of turning off his phone or just not texting back and it sends you into orbit and guess what .. HE KNOWS IT ! And why dose he do it if he says he cares about you ? why whould someone who says he cares want to make you suffer ? because he is a narc and thats what they do . Google "silent treatment " and "with holding affection " both as form of emotional abuse , recognise it as abuse Rainbow .. Big love xx
Apr 20 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
rainbow1
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you are right

I know you are. I think what keeps me going back is that our life is so exciting together. I feel like I have everything. We do such exciting things! Go on boats, street bikes, trips, to fun events. I feel wild when I with him. I don't miss him I miss our life that we had and that I just got a small taste of again. I want that life. Another thing I think is that he has two sets of parents and 6 siblings. I don't know my dad and my mother is a borderline so I don't speak with her. I am an only child and have no family that lives in this state. His family loves me and I love them. Throughout everything they still want me around. I go to church either his big sister. Take his little one out once a month and go to his other ones softball games. I feel like I belong with them and like I have a family. Its so frustrating that the only thing holding me back from this life I want is his stubbornness!

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Apr 20 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
spinning
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rainbow, Scoop is

right on with this. When you google it, you will be appalled. Also, in my own experience, telling the disordered one what I needed/wanted GUARANTEED I WOULD GET THE EXACT OPPOSITE, just like Scoop says. You are in CD right now. Read Lisa's blog about obsessive thoughts, it may help you. Try to shift the focus one moment at a time onto yourself. As Ideal always says, you can't figure out CRAZY. And when you do the answer looks like this: "CRAZY = CRAZY." A big hug to you and the good vibes for peace of mind and healing. sincerely (believe I've finally stopped) spinning

spinning

Apr 20 - 4AM
Scoop
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Rainbow . im glad youre back

Rainbow . im glad youre back , im not glad you had to do round 9 or is it 10 with youre narc , its alright i did 6 rounds with mine untill i went NC and even now he is still hovering ... sigh ... I totaly understand wanting to belive what they say , that toxisic hope is a killer but the good news is throught experence you realise to know its all BS . They very cleverly try diffrent angles to get back in with us ie "ill go to therapy " and we thing "well he has never said that before so he must mean what he says " and then he says "im not going because you did this or that " and the bottom falls out of youre world again . The truth is they wont ever change , even if he went to therapy he would just learn how to manipulate better , in fact i would stick my neck out and say dont encourage them for therapy because we dont want to give them any more tools in their kit . You know you have to read up on all this again , take the time out , youre narc is 22 right ? go and read our Jaycee post her narc is in his 50s and is still acting like 22 , in fact i would say you would get a very good idea on how youre life would pan out if you stay with this narc if you read other more mature members accounts on the board and then you seriously need to ask youre self is thats what youre life to be Dont feel bad about believing him again we have all done it .. we talked before about taking steps to change the group of people you hang out with , taking the good ones and the real friends with you and branching out to maybe a new church or club or intrests away form the pot smoking , drinking alpha types in youre town , i know it seems exciting now but in a few years it will look not so intresting to you , but by then you could be marryed with 2 children atyoure feet and unable to get out . Big love , youre narc is a wanker who dosent respect you , he has a serious problem with women which probably gose back to unresolved issues with his mother and he is taking it out on you , stop playing the game with him xx
Apr 20 - 2AM
Alisa
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I am really sorry this

I am really sorry this happened to you - I was getting goosebumps while reading because so much of it reminded me of me and my narc. I had always thought the only time I'd let him back into my life would be if he agreed to go to counseling. Well, your example just proved that they never will change and they'll do anything to get you back. Also, you cannot be friends with a narc apparently... It's not your fault this happened to you - they are very good at this, at getting us back. Mine knew I was very skeptical when he returned, so he actually suggested a form of "counseling" (only it's just done as self-help between the two people, following certain rules). The first time we did it (it lasts 90minutes) was exhausting and new for both but it seemed he was opening up. Each time after that I felt like he was pretending. He had made it sound so important to him, he wanted to become a better person for his next relationship (me?). He bought all these self-help books, bought some for me too. Ironically, the last time I spoke to him, I asked him if he's doing these talk-"sessions" with his new girlfriend and he said something like how he just wants to go with the flow with her. Lol. All the texting and ignoring of texts - sounds exactly like mine. But I think you are stronger now in a way because you know how he works and you hopefully know that none of it is about you. There is NOTHING WRONG with you, don't let anything he says make you believe the contrary. He is the one with the issues. What you described is the perfect hoovering followed by the D&D. It makes me so angry that he succeeded in sucking you back in. Sometimes when I read stories like yours I actually have a picture of my narc doing these things. I know he'd be capable of doing them. It sucks that you have friends in common, makes moving on so much harder. I would send him an email telling him "You're right, we won't work", then tell him you don't want to be friends and ask him to stop contacting you. And hopefully be wiser the next time... Good luck!
Apr 19 - 8PM
terri
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So very sorry that you're back in this place

but you now have more proof of who - or rather "what" - he is. Use this to your advantage. You have NOTHING to prove to anyone - not even to yourself. I think you probably learned a lot about yourself in going through the NC before. One thing that you probably didn't think about much is how kind, compassionate, empathetic and trusting you are - inherently. Because you are those things, you believe that others will respond in kind. And, most people who share those traits DO respond in a healthy positive way. NOT the narc. You show him kindness - he instinctively uses and abuses. That's all he knows - that's the only way he has learned to live his life and interact with people. There is NO WAY to get him to understand the error of his ways or how his behavior affects others - because he will never be able to understand anything about anyone - HE CANNOT. Don't beat yourself for making the mistake of allowing contact with him. You are human and we all have done it. Just learn from it and gently move forward. You will be back to a healthy place faster this time because NC will be more familiar this time. Kudos for being a good person.

Believe in yourself!
Terri

Apr 20 - 9AM
Hunter
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Rainbow

Hi, First Im very sorry, It just goes to show you they don't change. It also shows how they operate. They reel you in,once you're hooked they throw you back. How do you fix this? You get to start from scratch. :( I hate these assholes. Hugs, Idealk
Apr 19 - 7PM
faithinthefuture
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rainbow1

I remember you. I often wonder where some of us have gone. This is what my experience has been going back to the N. Each time no matter what they say or promise it's a lie. They hold against us all the wrong they believe we have committed against them. They have forgotten their wrongs. Only ours matter. Even if we didn't have any they find wrong in something we have done. Since they will never take any responsibility for any wrongs it will always fall on us. And each time it gets worse. They will bring up shit from years ago. They are angry because we stood up to them and didn't let them get away with everything. they think no one should ever question them. but they have all the right in the world to question us. You will come to your day when you will look at him and say this is the LAST time you are going to do this to me. And you will mean it. And it will be the worst pain ever. Worse than any other times you have said it. Because this time is truly the end. And no matter how deep the pain is and how much you want it to have turned out differently this time you know it never will. And you will realize that you are worth sooo much more than how he ever treated you and he is fake and full of shit. And you're not. And even tho it will hurt like hell you will find great satisfaction knowing he will never have you again. Each time we experience what you just did we think we are weaker for it. But really it makes us that much stronger to go NC and never question our decision again. Since going NC a year ago I knew it was the last time he would ever be a part of my life again. I will grieve for what I thought was but wasn't. I can't change the fact he was a part of my past but it's my decision that he will never be a part of my future. So will you.
Apr 19 - 7PM
Steph
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rainbow...

i remember you from last year....a very young and BEAUTIFUL woman. You say that you have done all the work and "blocked" him so "how did this happen?" rainbow...you have done alot of work....but you have NOT blocked him. You still had contact with him. That's the problem right there! You can't have contact with them and expect that contact to NOR affect you! It's like an alcoholic coming to terms with the disease of alcohlism....but still choosing to hang around in a Bar.....it is not going to work!! Eventually you will cave! Rainbow, you KNOW how he is...his history. You have done the work there, I believe that you have.....but....what is holding you to maintaining contact with him?? That is where the problem is. You are still "STUCK" in thinking you can impact or change him. Why else allow contact? I'm sorry this happened to you again....and you are right, you are "not the same needy girl you were back then"...but...you can't make this work! From what yo have written here, you are still, on some level, thinking that YOU have the power to change the dynamics of your relstionship with him. You don't have that power....no one does. Go back and read and re learn about these disorders.... Pick up from where you left off with your recovery, and try again.
Apr 20 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
humbleme
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My goodness, this was me!

I just knew I could change my narc. I just got the meaning of NC. This has helped me tremendously! When you have contact with them, they wiesel their way back in your life with all their lies and sob stories because we want the relationship so badly...besides, this is only the 100th time....he has got to be telling the truth this time. I was told that being connected to him is like me coming of a drug...it took me a while to get addicted, now it is going to take to take Narc Anonomys to get me clean. When I started looking at it that way, I could see what I needed to do...NO CONTACT. It takes a lot of good friends and I also found it helpful to let others know that we had separated and headed for divorce court...when before, I always made up excuses for his absence. I have come a long way but still have my moments...have to always be aware of my thinking...it is like the slogan "just say no"...tell everyone you know about him so you will be accountable for what you have said. Come on, you can do this! Just gonna take time! Hang in there and talk it out with friends and this site.