Passive-Aggressive

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#1 Sep 5 - 11AM
anonymous
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Passive-Aggressive

Bumping up the discussion on passive-aggressive behavior. I've been googling this since it came up here recently and I'm blown away. This link explains the ExN to a tee...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6679/whats_up_with_the_passive_...

It actually made me feel sorry for him. Not empathy but compassion. It gave me some peace too. It's funny because he used to tell me that I was too passive-aggressive with my mother. I had no idea that he was projecting.

In fact - until the D&D, I was so unaware of any of these psychological abuse terms. I never knew what P-A, projecting, gaslighting, or any of that other stuff was or meant. Nor did I really understand how my own upbringing made me react to certain people the way I did. Now I see that I have had 3 other influential Ns in my life: another boyfriend and 2 close females (a teacher and a boss). Wow. I guess I'm grateful for one thing - this whole exeperience sure has taught me a lot more about myself than I ever knew before. I just wish I didn't have to learn it in such a hard way.

Peace to you all today.

Sep 5 - 7PM
Bodhi
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Morty

Have you bought the book yet? It was a page turner for me, and I really found so much peace with understanding p/a behavior. Sometimes I have a hard time relating to some of the posts here because my ex-narc was never overtly abusive towards me... and in a way covert abuse can be more crazy making, because your gut tells you somethings seems off but you can't really pinpoint what it is while simultaneously your partner makes you seem like a lunatic for having any expectations for healthy relationship. *sigh*
Sep 12 - 8PM (Reply to #12)
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Bodhi - I read the PA Book

Wow. This book says it all. I think though, that there is a distinction between P/A behavior, which is self-defeating and serious, and narcissism. Narcissism seems to take P/A behavior and magnify it to a whole new level. The ExN defintely was all about P/A. Classic family life to make a P/A guy. But it seems like the difference is that a guy who *only* suffers from P/A, knows he has a problem and seeks help for it. The N, on the other hand, doesn't think he needs help because he doesn't think there's anything wrong with him - it's everyone else who's F'd up. Of course, deep down he does know that there's something wrong, but to consciously admit it, just like to offer a sincere apology, is beyond the realm of possibility because it would mean admitting that he's fake. So sad. But thanks for the recommendation - reading it brought me peace.
Sep 6 - 4PM (Reply to #10)
gigi9
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Bodhi

Mine was a covert N as well. Never overtly abusive. Absolutley insidious, mind fu****g, confusing and complete crazy making! It has made my recovery that much more difficult for so many reasons. I am convinced there are two type of Ns-overt and covert!
Sep 10 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
OriginalMe
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GiGi9

You can add mine to the covert list. It is so subtle and yet so glaring, that I chose not to listen to that little inner voice of mine or the "gut feelings" that I had. When the charm was on it was ON, but when he wanted to put me down he would do so in passing, and when I would ask him about it, it was either "I never said that" or "Don't be so sensitive". Total MindF**k! "Be who you are, and say what you feel; for those who mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Be who you are, and say what you feel; for those who mind don't matter, and those that matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Sep 5 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
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Bodhi - It's on hold

I completely, completely understand how you feel. I feel the same way. And I think his P/A and covert narcissim has made it far more difficult to get over it. If he were an overt asshole, or if our relationship had gradually declined, I would have been far more able to move on. Instead, I was blindsided and the D&D started only two days after he had told me that his feelings for me surpassed anything he'd felt for a woman before. I couldn't for the life of me understand. I had an inkling that the minute he realized that he loved me, he got scared shitless and had to distance himself from me to preserve his sense of identity, but I couldn't articulate it at all. Nor could I understand it. It wasn't until I read that link you sent that I realized that this just wasn't an intuition in my head, that this is a real problem that people have. That link explains his behavior exactly. My library didn't have the book but can get it from another so I hope to have it in the next couple of days. I can't say that the ExN wasn't abusive (he was manipulative and duplicitous) - but he was a lot different than most of what I read about on this site. My story tells it all in gory detail. He was cerebral (he didn't cheat on me while we were together, although it was only for 6 months so he probably would have had we stayed together longer). And he seemed more thoughtful - I don't mean in a more sensitive way, just more introspective and less blatantly an asshole (or at least until the D&D). Covert I guess is a good way to put it. He at first seemed like such a beautiful, wonderful boy. The link that you sent plus the one I found this morning are exactly what he acted like. And his childhood (dominant mother / passive father) is classic for a P/A in the making. Oedipal conflict never resovled. That's why I felt sad for him reading it but also, like you said, found some peace. The other thing he doesn't do is bug me. I asked for NC and he's honored that. It's hard because I still miss him so much, even 10 months later. But I know it's for the best for both of us. I've decided that if I ever do hear from him again, I will respond by killing him with kindness. It's clear that he's never truly felt loved, understood or accepted. And while I have no intention of ever going back, I do believe it's important for people as damaged as he is to know that he is loved. So if he contacts me, I will tell him that I love him and always will but that sometimes the best way to show your love for someone is to set them free.
Sep 5 - 7PM (Reply to #8)
gettinbetter
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yes exactly

Everyone thought he was such a nice guy. They never saw the mean behavior I saw and he made sure they didnt.
Sep 5 - 3PM
loveofmylife
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Morty

Same with you...didn't even hear these words in my life before: gaslighting, projection, mirroring until I experienced the wierdest personal interactions in my life that I had no understanding of and starting reading about it online! And wow, everything fits perfectly. And yes, mine was unbelievably passive aggressive (e.g. "forgetting" my bday, being lates for dates) and started calling me PA. No one has ever said that to me! And why did he say it?????? Because he would demand immediate answers from me and I told him a needed 10 minutes or two days to think about them. But I think I would have been PA if I just ignored his requests, but I was very prompt in telling him I needed a bit of time to think....problem is he always demands immediate answers. And for asking for time to think I was blamed as being PA.... pure projection.
Sep 5 - 3PM
truthseeker
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he started calling me PA this year

I thought that was hysterical since he's the one that left a bag of makeup and shampoo from other women on my door. The following month it was a really cheap vibrator with extra batteries. The Christmas letter last year that was all about how great his life was. He returned every picture we ever took together and sent it to my job. when he didn't hear from me he sent a fax to work because he was so concerned.YEAH to NC!
Sep 5 - 1PM
terri
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this was turned against me

My exN had accused ME of being passive aggressive. And after reading the description, I probably did start to display PA behavior toward him in the relationship - and God only knows what other disturbed behavior I have displayed in the crazyness that ensued. I understand now the serious need for NC so we can get away from the N's influence long enough to start thinking clearly and logically again. After 14 days of NC, I'm just now feeling like I'm STARTING to get back to my old self and hopefully that self was generally sane. But, truthfully, I have lost the inner compass that I once had.

Believe in yourself!
Terri

Sep 5 - 12PM
Nicole96
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This is scary.

I am starting to think my n is a passive aggressive n. It explains a lot.
Sep 5 - 1PM (Reply to #2)
STSwiss
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shudder!

That article sent shivers down my spine! Thanks for sharing Sarah Web Of Lies - My Life with a Narcissist An honest and emotional account of life with a pathological partner. http://singlemumsal.blogspot.com/ http://www.sarahtateauthor.com/
Sep 10 - 12PM (Reply to #3)
STSwiss
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been reading up on Passive Aggressive

Following on from this post, I have been reading up on passive aggressive males and cannot believe how well my ex N fits this patter of behaviour also. I've written a blog post about it, which contains some amazing quotes, which I hope will help people like me who spent way too long blaming themselves.. http://singlemumsal.blogspot.com/2010/09/mr-duplicitybeware-of-passive.html Best wishes Sarah Web Of Lies - My Life with a Narcissist An honest and emotional account of life with a pathological partner. http://singlemumsal.blogspot.com/ http://www.sarahtateauthor.com/