Our worth....

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#1 Apr 16 - 10PM
Steph
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Our worth....

I see a large number of us....( I have been guilty of this too).....thinking that we have possibly had an impact on these disordered people....

That if they reacted to us in "such a way"...then that must mean that we IMPACTED them....and so, MEANT more to them than others did etc.

ie...if they reacted THIS bad to what I said...then that means " I must have been THAT important to them".

I think this type of thinking is dangerous. If we engage in this, then we are still seeking some sort of validation from them...we are still allowing them to define our worth on some level.

Their reaction to us, or lack thereof DOES NOT REFLECT OUR IMPORTANCE, nor does it reflect how they "feel" for us.

These people are disordered. Their brains are NOT wired like ours.

How they react to us, whether postively or negatively.....is due to THEIR particular circumstances at that particular time.... what works or doesn't work for THEM in THAT particular moment.....it has NOTHING to do with US. Nothing.

They operate on their own terms. WE HAVE NO IMPACT ON THEM, WHATSOEVER.

We really need to grasp this in order to really move on.

If we still feel we impacted them or were "special" or "better" to them in some way....than we really haven't truley accepted their disorder.

It's hard to grasp. I have a hard time with it too...even now......but it is true.

They do not see US for what we are. They never have and no matter what we do, they NEVER will.

No matter how hard it is...even at these later stages of recovery ( I am here too )....we have to remember the painful realization that we meant NOTHING to them other than "supply".

Everyone of us here is worth more than the term "supply".

We are human beings capable of love and compassion. We are unique and deserved to be recognized for that and for the different things we have to offer.

WE MUST VALIDATE OUR OWN WORTH.

Apr 17 - 6PM
gettinbetter
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I disagree there are certain

I disagree there are certain people that absolutely get under their skin more than others. I have personally witnessed this with him. I saw it with not only myself but others and then there were others that he just let off easy. The ones that really got under his skin (not only love interests) they went down hard. I remember reading something about this very thing discussing that some people bring their attention to their grandiosity gap while other not so much. They find certain people more threatening than others.
Apr 17 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
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gettinbetter

To me, I really don't think they truley value one specific person over another......if a person that was aquainted with them for several YEARS, called them out on their behaviour, they'e hate it (for a moment)....and if another person that was aquainted with them for only several MINUTES called them out....they'd hate that too, maybe for a BIT less time....but ultimately, it would have the SAME effect on them. I'm sorry, but in my opinion, a TRULEY disordered person is not affected by ANYONE...because they CAN'T be. They DO NOT have the capacity to be affected. Being affected would imply that they posessed TRUE EMPATHY. And, they don't. Thinking that they do, in my opinion, is denial.
Apr 17 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
gettinbetter
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Oh Im not in denial. They

Oh Im not in denial. They dont have empathy or compassion but they have wants and desires fear and rage and certain people professional or romantci ignite that in them more than others. They do in fact look up to people in a position of power per Sam Vaknin. They also have perceptions of love he even goes on to say that a Narcissist cannot have sex with someone he "believes he loves" Borderline PD is an emotional dyregulation problem. They are absolutely capable of emotions. After saying to a friend who understands pdi quite well I could never to anything to permeate his defenses. She said gettin better you have always sold yourself short of the power you had with him. You had it he knew it. He just had to make sure you didnt know it. Just like that dress he said he hated that it looked awful on me. 15 years later that was one of the articles of clothing he remembered. I said you hated that dress. He said no I didnt I loved that dress and so did every other guy at firm. If I would have told you that you would have worn it every week. After I got a promotion he served me up a particularly bad D and D I have seen him D and D people that he felt threatened by way worse than others. One of their strongest emotions is envy and those they envy the most go down the hardest.
Apr 17 - 7PM (Reply to #15)
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gettinbetter

I don't personally place alot of valididy in anything "Sam Vankin" says....given that he is a narc/psychopath himself. So him saying that they look up to peope in a "position of power" ( whatever that is lol) or anything else he says, really means little to me. I don't value or respect really anything that Sam Vankin says, cuz he is a narc and untrustworthy, to me. I agree with you though, in that the narc feels "fear and rage"....but I think those emotions ( for them )can be provoked by ANYONE...anyone that calls them out on their behaviour enrages them and invokes fear......doesn't mean that person is "special" though. Again, that is just my own interpretation/opinion! Yours is valid too!
Apr 17 - 5PM
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This is such a great point

This is such a great point and a good reminder! Thank you :) ~KG
Apr 17 - 5PM (Reply to #9)
Steph
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kauaigirl

Glad you feel it is a good reminder! how are you doing lately?
Apr 17 - 6PM (Reply to #10)
kgirl
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I'm still NC....10 days now!

I'm still NC....10 days now! I have no desire to contact narcette at all. My feelings are up and down and I know that's to be expected. I think I'm just letting it all soak in.....trying to own and feel deeply what my brain knows to be true. Thanks so much for asking....your posts are an inspiration to me :) ~KG
Apr 17 - 6PM (Reply to #11)
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kauaigirl

10 days of NC is awesome! Good for you! I'm glad u recognize your feelings of "up and down" are to be expected:) hang in there! xoxo
Apr 17 - 3PM
onwithmylife
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TLSM and Staying Strong- Right ON!

SO SO true, we meant NOTHING to me. other than SUPPLY, and knowing this, does in a strange way, make it easier to get over, we were all disposable objects, like toilet paper, forget the toaster, by the way TLSM, if he heard I was dead, he would not flinch one ounce and just keep on watching TV or reading his book!!!!
Apr 17 - 3PM
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Totally agree!

I USED to think I meant ALOT to him. He told me I was... The love of his life. His one and only true love. The most beautiful girl in the world - to him. I thought he worshiped me. I KNEW he would NEVER cheat on me. No way, no how would he ever do that! LOL...Jokes on me. Honest to goodness, I have FELT DEEP LOVE from him with every pore of my body and every inch of my heart. I swear to G-D it was real. I was high off his love for me and my love for him. I felt and KNEW this for 4.5 Years!!! NOPE. All bullshit. It's heart and soul crushing, but it's the truth. Why else would a human being love you deeply one day and cut you off, ignore you and screw another girl the next??? That is NOT normal. It's psychotic. People CANNOT cut/switch their feelings off THAT FAST, unless they have no feelings to begin with. Period. End of discussion. He is not even thinking about me right now. Doesn't give a shit. If he heard that I died, he'd be like, "Oh really? Bummer. Ok, well I gotta take a piss"...and he'd be over it like that. It really sucks but it's also good, because he will do the same with this young chick. I PRAY TO G-D HE WILL!!! Thanks for posting this. We need to face reality and move the f*ck on to men WITH INTEGRITY, LOVE and a HEART AND SOUL. Sexy as hell doesn't hurt either!!!
Apr 17 - 3PM (Reply to #6)
sara-smile
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TLSM

Amen sister! My Narc told me all the same BS we've all heard! I've never met anyone like you, you are different, I love you more than anything in my life.....etc etc BULLSHIT! I believed it ALL! Hook, line and sinker! He has new supply so I don't mean diddly to him anymore! As soon as he met the new GF I became a "piece of ass" supply which is MUCH WORSE than GF supply! It's much more degrading. I'm so damn mad today!
Apr 17 - 3PM (Reply to #4)
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TLSM

"If he heard that I died, he'd be like, "Oh really? Bummer. Ok, well I gotta take a piss"...and he'd be over it like that." You are on a freakin role today!! hilarious! xoxo
Apr 17 - 3PM (Reply to #5)
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HA!

Anger is coming out, slowly but surely! Thanks! :-)
Apr 17 - 12AM
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Sorry I don't totally agree.

Sorry I don't totally agree. I know what I mean to my narc and that is actually a lot. I have no doubt of that. He is not capable of behaving in a loving way, a rational way, a responsible way, or in a non-competitive way. But to say I mean NOTHING to him is simply not the truth, not in my situation. And this is not magical thinking. My primary narc that I was with the longest was suicidal when he was berated by me, when I found him out. He told me, "I can take a lot of criticism from people, but not from you, not from you". He was crying hysterically. Was I part of a projection of his mother - yes. But was he also crazy about me? Yes. And is he the sickest human being on this and all other planets combined? Yes.
Apr 17 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
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patiencegoal

I know for me, I got to a place where I decided that probably EVERY woman he dealt with felt they "impacted" him more or were more "special" etc. He may have been "obsessed" with me for a period of time.....but that's not the same as being "crazy in love with me". But that's just my opinion and just my thoughts on it and I totally understand what you are saying too and respect your opinion and thoughts on it! xoxo