NC breaker

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#1 Jan 9 - 12AM
Jean
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NC breaker

I am a little disappointed with myself, I feel like I've had a relapse.

On Thursday in a moment of weakness (i.e. I wasn't being vigilant), I walked up to Narc who was standing talking to his psychologist colleagues to ask him a question about some person who may have been his patient. . .anyway this turned into a brief email. The next day, I ran into him and he said, "oh I have a case of yours" and we made some polite conversation, then later in the day - around 4 - he came by my cubicle and talked to me for 10 minutes about what he wanted to do with the case and oh. . .

first, I was trying to listen to his words but I just become so easily overwhelmed by him, and then next thing I know I am being clever and funny and trying to impress him.

Then when he left I got that same "charged up" feeling I always used to get and realized I STILL feel sexually attracted to him. I got out my laminated list that I keep in my wallet and read the 9 things I have listed that he did that were awful, but it didn't really help much.

There is some weird permeability of energy between the two of us. I literally feel "hyped up" and overstimulated after even a short encounter.

I am not interested in leaving my job, in fact even less so now b/c I am planning on starting graduate school and my job is stable and just about the right amount of work.

I know it sounds crazy, but I have a hard time ignoring him or being rude to him partly because I am just not good at that but also because I don't want him to dislike me, because I feel like he has this take no prisoners approach to everything and I'd rather he think that I like him. But then when I act like I do like him, I start liking him and stop thinking about how horribly he betrayed my trust.

I even start thinking things like, "oh maybe it was a just a big misunderstanding" and "oh, he's so pathetic and needs people to like him" and "oh, all his colleagues seem to like him" and "oh, see, he can't stay away from me either - this means he really does like me."

BUT i know that i am totally bullshitting myself. Because I KNOW he is f*cked up royally. And the only reason he wants to be around me is to see if I will put up with more BS behavior.

I don't know what I expect, maybe I am doing OK just keeping my little list and pretending to like him.

And, he did one thing that always bugs me where he referred to something I wasn't familiar with (an acronym) and then when I said, "what's that?" he rolled his eyes like I should know and it's obvious when there is no way I would know what he meant. He does that shit all the time and with a thousand little cuts puts me (and others) down.

Is it possible there is some hope here for me to develop appropriate boundaries with this guy? I think I am a little afraid of him and that is part of why I can't. And I am a little afraid of him because he is underhanded and I don't how to fight against that kind of sneakiness.

Thanks for listening, maybe I just needed to write this down. . .

Jan 9 - 1PM
Briseis
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Just because you have energy

Just because you have energy with a person doesn't mean ya have to do anything about it. Having a compelling feeling doesn't mean you have to act on it. It's just part of life, really :) Easier said than done LOL but it's the truth. If your job is such a good one that you are willing to stay in spite of HIM being there, then you have to get really strict with yourself. That you've been able to continue to work with him so far means you are doing something right. You just have to do more of that "something" :D I admit I probably could not do it. But I haven't ever tried or had to do it. I know that "chemistry" is very real, and doesn't go away over time. My ex-ex Narc (father of my children) contacted me on Facebook on Christmas eve. I haven't seen or heard from him for 13 years, and we divorced 24 years ago. Just seeing his pictures activated that chemistry in me!! Good grief. So it's a considerable thing, and as long as you work with him, it will be a serious issue you have to deal with.
Jan 9 - 10AM
helldweller
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Jean

I actually found myself making flirty banter with the narc after I found out about the other woman. I don't know why, but it was this sort of "See how sophisticated and above it I am, narc? See how I'm better than the other woman who dumped you after she found out about me?" I thought, "I'm going to be friends with him and show him how un-crazy I am, how I just wanted to know the truth and, now that I do, I'm fine." Then I thought, Oh my God. I'm just letting him get away with it! So now I'm back to walking close to him at school, standing close to him, making him uncomfortable BUT NOT SPEAKING TO HIM.
Jan 9 - 11AM (Reply to #8)
Jean
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that's pretty much what is

happening in my head, as in "I'll show you." I see what you mean about him "getting away with it." But another part of me knows I can't win, in fact I don't even want to win. I just want to get back to a state of mental calm and relative peace and to enjoy my life before this guy ever became a part of it. I need to stop trying to understand it, and just DO - as in, if I get 'charged up' around him then I need to avoid him. And I need to document what he does. I literally find myself having urges to "stop by" and talk to him. ???? I am just stunned that it is possible I could be thinking this way. Thanks everyone for your comments, including, "don't worry about him liking you because Narcs don't like anyone." God knows that's true - I've heard him put everyone down at work including the saintly 84-year old Dr M who everyone universally agrees is the ultimate sweetheart - he didn't put him down but he only grudgingly agreed, "yeah, he's pretty cool." I have plenty of evidence, must not left self be fooled by chemistry and emotions. . .
Jan 9 - 7AM
Amazed
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Dont fool yourself

There is no setting boundaries with these people, because they make up all the rules, and change the rules whenever they want. What this equates to= you lose all the time It is not a matter of learning to deal with him on your part, it is a strict matter of NC. Don't worry about him not liking you. These people don't like people anyway. They use people. Period. End of story. You are capable and worthy of so much better treatment, and true commoraderie. Yes, I understand the hyped up state you feel with him. This is actually to your detriment. It serves as an addiction to our bodies. It causes dependence, and eventually lethargy and mental anguish. I hope you learn how to stay away from him, and get more our of life that you really deserve.
Jan 9 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
Deidre99
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Amazed

I can't tell you, how much this helped me tonight. I am not struggling...I don't have any issue with staying NC. Some strange things have happened as of late, I bumped into him at a party. Didn't know he was going to be there. You are right. Staying NC is paramount to healing. PARAMOUNT. I broke it last week, not out of weakness. But, I shouldn't have. I appreciate what you write here...you are so very right on.
Jan 9 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
Jean
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thanks Amazed

yes! yes!! the hyped up stated is an addiction, it's chemical, and it has caused dependence. . . although I will admit I have gained insight about my tendency to do this with other people (men) and then interpret it as "love." Thank god I have a husband who is NOT like this and actually loves and accepts me, so I can now see the contrast. Of course, marriage is hard work and requires real communication etc and sometimes I think the "addiction" can be more appealing. I am going to really focus on the positive, i.e. doing my work and getting my application for grad school complete so that there won't be any "empty" spaces he can creep into. It must be really awful to be the narc and to feel yourself only matter when you are acting like a drug on someone else - seems like these guys can only "push" themselves and can't accept someone else. They only exist when they are acting on someone else. I guess that partly explains their tendency to constantly seek supply and to keep coming back to mess with you (me).
Jan 9 - 3AM
M
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Stick Do your best with your

Stick Do your best with your job. Do your best not to let him interfere...at least untill you csn find something better.
Jan 9 - 3AM
Scotchy71
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Jean

There is no way you can develop "appropriate" boundaries with this guy, he's not normal, so any boundaries you have won't suit him EVER. And you shouldn't have to fight against sneakiness, it's wrong, end of story. Battling against him is no relationship, he only belittles you to make himself feel better, he has no respect for you clearly and never will. You can't change his behaviour, only your own and no matter what you do, the outcome will always be the same, trust that - it's true. He will treat you the same, if not worse next time round. As hard as it is, the time comes (for our own sake) when we have to face the impossible - he is what he is and won't change for anyone, he's disordered and cares only for himself. Once we reach acceptance, our self esteem inevitably comes back and we will look back and be glad we wasted no more of our lives on someone who only cares for himself. I think you know what you have to do, it's just really hard to let go, if we don't, we're only hanging on to false hope believing in someone who won't ever be there for us equally or emotionally....hang in there and be kind to yourself...x
Jan 9 - 12AM
Deidre99
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I understand, Jean. I saw my

I understand, Jean. I saw my N at a party. Totally blindsided. I think we will always have chemistry. Perhaps, that is what yours is with your ex. You say something intriguing...how he would cut you down. Small cuts. Sometimes, I think...it'd be easier if I were physically abused. Not saying that is a good thing. What I mean is...it'd be perhaps easier, if there was one horrible moment with them. But, while it's slow...I wonder if one can bleed to death from a million paper cuts... That's what they do. Paper cuts. With words. With eye rolls. Keep thinking about those paper cuts. I see nothing wrong with making small talk. On some level, I think that bumping into our N's and running to hide...or avoid them...how can this show them we're strong? I want to act like it's no big thing...you know? I want to act like he's no different than a stranger off of the street. So, when I saw him at the party, I felt like being cordial. It's tough. Any way you slice it...breaking things off completely with these people is hard. But, we can do it. I pray for better things ahead. **hugs** You did nothing wrong. I think you just have to remember the paper cuts. And that those come in the same package with the sexy charming guy.