NarcNarcWhosThere update

We spoke this morning

he's still alive, in fact - improving somewhat - abusing her as he starts to feel better

still won't tell her if he's got insurance, etc. She's going to call PapaJohn's corporate today because his manager won't even tell her anything.

her own sister called her yesterday and ragged on her.

his brother in law came to see him - the turbopsycho convinced him that his drinking and living in squalor was all narcnarc's fault and the brother in law offered to TAKE HIM IN and HELP HIM when he got out of the hospital

a Medicaid advocate came to help him get Medicaid & disability - something that has been REFUSED to NarcNarc for years now!!!

so she's exhausted, angry and disgusted with the system...

I will talk to her later

narcnarcwhosthere's picture

HE just called me....they didn't.....he FELL last night....trying to get up to go to the bathroom...and laid in the floor for half an hour.....so he can't even walk across the floor...this has become INSANE........i'm getting dressed to go out their now and have a bitch fit.....THIS HAS GOT TO END...... and i just KNOW that they are going to try to shove his expenses off on ME....i can feel it coming.......
Barbara's picture

tell them they'd better get YOU some Medicaid and Disability because that's the ONLY way they will get any money at all! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
woundedsoul36's picture

dont have a bitch fit...I know you are angry but you are going to behave just the way he has conditioned you to... it's not the hospital staff's fault that he fell..HE"S manipulating YOU! He wants that attention.. of course he cant walk..he is a liability and they know it.. he was instructed to use the bell if he needed to go to the bathroom..the nurse will bring him a handheld urinal or help him to the bathroom.. he didnt WANT that and decided to try to go by himself... IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME...guarenteed. shit! they dont want him to fall! Thats a potential lawsuit! Please hold onto the dignity you have.. please call a lawyer for a free consultation to see what you can do about his medical expenses.. if he lives to get medicaid and disability...that would save you, you might want to work with them and not against them..its would be for your benefit
narcnarcwhosthere's picture

they are keeping him alive for MONEY...wallaby and i discussed this by phone yesterday...and she agrees....turns out he had no insurance (big suprise, huh)...so if they can keep him alive long enough to get him off their hands (send him to a nursing home)..and get him on social security disability and medicaid...THEN they can recoup the God only knows how much they've poured into him already.....because by law, once they start treatment, they cannot stop.... so......he's screwed them...just like everyone else.. his doctor told me the other day that the psycho understands that they want to send him to a nursing home...and he will never get any better.....and will die there.. i told her i didn't believe that......she INSISTED, a little TOO much if you know what i mean..that he did understand and AGREE... so last night i took my hand digital tape recorder out there...engaged him in semi lucid conversation which is the best he's managed his entire life......and asked him about it.....he said ON TAPE that he absolutely does NOT want to go to a nursing home...ABSOLUTELY NOT..and that he did NOT agree to it..... his doctor and some smarmy low talking 'advocate' INSISTED that i was misunderstanding him.......well...i think what he says is pretty damn clear!... i don't want him languishing in some nursing home for MONTHS...being a torment to some overworked nurses and socieity at large...this is BULLSHIT...and the hospital is doing it just for the money........ ANYTHING that he does.....including DIE...is rife with busllshit...i've been wanting to put a pillow over his face and just sit on it.....
Jessika's picture

my heart goes out to you! I can't wait for the day that I come on this board and see the post "He's GONE!" Please take care!
woundedsoul36's picture

Ive been reading all your posts NN. I Know how upset you are . I'm a nurse. I work for a non-profit hospital, which means they take patients regardless of insurance or not. A hospital can't admit someone as sick as he is, and not do any intervention..it is UNETHICAL and not conducive to the oath medical professions take. It is also illegal and is malpractice. Your N, could easily be someone's child...and as sick as they are, the hospital cannot be like "oh, you have no insurance and are very sick and die, we could ease your suffering slightly and could possibly prolong your life alittle..but you have no insurance, so you have to get out-sorry." OF COURSE the hospital want their money, but hospitals bite the dirt everyday on medical loses, people kick the bucket ALL the time before they can recoup the money-they still will get reimbursed some even if he does die. It's more about Malpractice and covering their asses so they cant be sued. This same thing goes on in every hospital for uninsured patients...they cannot deny anyone life saving treatments..it is the law, and in this country more than half of the citizens do not have medical coverage. If this law wasnt enforced..everyone without insurance would be screwed. They dont know what an evil fuck he is..and even if they did, they would still have to do everything they can for him. I remember having a prison convict that was a child molestor as a patient. No one wanted that man to live, no one wanted to take care of him..but we had to. I know you are angry as hell, I would be too. try to remember that no matter what happens..it's all a bandaid and they guys days are numbered. Keep your faith.
neveragain5's picture

It is disgusting how these people pull themselves from the bowels and STILL go on to do destruction. How is this fair and just? How is it possible that he has caused so much pain and has ruined her life and STILL evolkes sympathy from everyone around him? Just SICK!
narcnarcwhosthere's picture

i'm still trying to wrap my head around the endless expensive attempts to save a piece of shit from going down the toilet!!...he is FOR SURE going to die.....but they are allowing him to linger...racking up huge debts they will no doubt somehow attempt to shove off on me.......
Barbara's picture

Then you DEMAND that advocate get YOU On Medicaid or Medicare too because you are TOO SICK TO WORK from all the beatings and have been unable to see a doctor to get disability. Having disability will hold you harmless for all these medical bills. DEMAND that advocate help you. This is crazy - just crazy. ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
wallaby's picture

I posted this earlier under the wrong thread as I missed Barbara's new one -so this is in addition to hers. I just spoke with NN who is going out of her mind. The PsychoN has, against all odds, apparently had "some recovery". They continue to give him dialysis daily and are going to move him to a care facility where she was told he could possibly linger for "months". He does not have life insurance as she had hoped, nor medical insurance so all the hundred of thousands of dollars spent on him and going to be spent on him are being paid for by the govt. Yet NarcNarc can't even get a dime for food or in services for her medical needs or PTSD or legal help. She's really struggling with the terrible injustice of this horrendous situation. ALso her dryer just broke so she has not way to dry her clothes nor the towels that one of her older dogs must pee on as he is disabled. It's a very confusing situation as they say he is still in liver and renal failure. By all accounts he should be dead. Apparently they had orders to take him from ICU to hospice today if renal function was not restored and yet, even though it is not, they are not taking him to hospice but to a long term care facility where he can have his every need catered to, while NN tries to get food for her dogs and herself. In his "death bed" he has also run a con where he has been telling his family members how horrible NN is and how she has abused him and getting them to feel badly for him so he can come stay with them when he gets out. Thank God NN has a sense of humor as she actually laughed about him feathering his nest and running cons from his death bed. Which apparently is an "almost but not quite yet" death bed. She, of course, is now regretting taking him to the hospital which saved his life. He also seems to have turned the hospital staff against her so now they have a cold and distant attitude towards her. God knows what he said. I think she would appreciate members who have some knowledge of medical issues weighing in as she can't really tell how long he is good for or what level of recovery to expect. They did say he was not eligible for a transplant - thank god. I also think, and will leave this up to Barbara to orchestrate or weigh in, but it would be great if those of us who can help by her another dryer.
woundedsoul36's picture

of all the horrific stories I have read on here and had to deal with myself..NarcNarc's N is SATAN on Earth..truly. I really believe he is the anti-christ.
TexN's picture

I thought his breathing hours were numbered!
quietude's picture

This is unbelieveable Barbara, poor narcnarc!!! There's our precious tax dollars at work, to help support a TOTAL FREAK, and not toward helping those who really need it...BRAVO. She needs to tell that sibling to piss off and block her...grrrr! Still, with failing kidneys and poor liver, I can't see this as being sustainable?? My ex's (not a narc) kidneys failed due to diabetes, he was otherwise "healthy", a good candidate for a transplant, is on the list..still waiting years later. He does dyalisis 3x a week...very, very hard on the body, he takes really good care of himself to get through it. Can't quite do that if you're living like psychonarc, and I highly doubt they'd put him on the transplant list!!! This is so messed up...please let her know we're thinking of her. Thanks for the update.
janetc's picture

I have worked with the transplant service of UCSF and I can attest to the fact that they will not consider anyone who has not PROVEN abstinence (with random screens and tests) for a minimum of 6 months. There are a few who have been taken off the list who had been doing well and supposedly just fell off the wagon once, but still had to provide attendance records at AA as well as proven (via drug/alcohol tests) abstinence for 6 months from the point of where they relapsed. There are very few organs available compared to how many are in need, and they do NOT let anyone on the list who is not taking care of their body. They also do a thorough "social" evaluation to evaluate their home support and living circumstances (due to the required care and necessary followup and adherence to medication regimen) and some people who don't have a good social network fail to get on the list. So, I don't see any way he would in any way be considered. However, the lactulose and medications may have temporarily improved his functioning, but I don't see a good prognosis long term, narcnarc, just hang in there! What a rollercoaster ride, my prayers are with you!

Janet

gullablegull's picture

If he improves, he will back on the bottle. Still won't be long. I hope Narcnarc stays strong. I would leave him there myself
Barbara's picture

I know - its just so horrific and unjust... anyone who can donate some money to help narcnarc get a new clothes dryer to dry her clothes and the dogs beds, wee pads, etc - click on the PAYPAL button in the right column. (Sears cheapest dryer is $333.) Just as this woman is finally going to get some peace - this animal pulls through - just to spite her - and to top it off - tells his family SHE's to blame for his circumstances to get sympathy and help from them. ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
gullablegull's picture

I'm not an attorney, but wouldn't you think that now, in front of all the people he has testified her wickedness to, would be a very good time for her to shove divorce papers in his face? She is going to be held responsible for these bills if not? I'm not entirely sure, but seems they as emotionally retarded as they all are, they always seem to have pre-calculated the most exorbitant levels of destruction to us? I'm certain that mine has, and hoping I can overcome, but what a mountain! She may have nothing for them to get now, but they can also make sure she never attains anything in the future! I bet NN has been telling stories of his cruelty..and no one is believing her. Not many people can conceive this level of cruelty, therefore, they think she's the lacking one.... easy, when the sot is lyng there helpless and yellow.
Barbara's picture

he will simply refuse to sign them and she will be accused of abusing him while he's sick he still has it in his head that she has lots of money and is doing well ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
wallaby's picture

I'm sure you;re right B. You know these freaks so well.You have been down the road so far and so badly with different N's that you have an amazing ability to predict them - and also the reactions of others. Bravo. I had to laugh when NN described her Psycho to me recently as the color of a "jar of Tang". SHe is unbelievably funny. Apparently Psycho-N is now bruising SO badly anytime he touches something that I had the image of a really old overipe banana that needs to get thrown out - to bloated and gross for banana bread even. The hospital upon realizing they took a lifelong alcoholic without insurance and started expensive treatment measures is now in HIGH ANXIETY about how they are going to get reimbursed so they are trying to get him on disability quick. The fantastic irony here is that being an alcoholic (which is CLEARLY the health issue here) NO LONGER qualifies as a disability. They need ANOTHER (false) diagnosis to get reimbursed ... and there is no other real diagnosis (apparently being a psychopath does not qualify either). SO now they need NN to lie so they can get their money and pay for a nursing facility if he lives..... and well, NN is no liar... THERE IS NO OTHER DISABILITY. She finally has the TRUTH on her side!!!!
TexN's picture

This one sentence says it all: "The truth shall set her free". ( Wallaby, I left u a msg on your story & under "its gonna get ugly") :)
wallaby's picture

ooops I did not see that - I will go look now - I always forget too look there!