Narcissism + Commitment Phobia?

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#1 Jul 26 - 11AM
twisted
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Narcissism + Commitment Phobia?

The last time I saw my narc, (about 6 months ago) he told me that he wanted to marry the OW. The closest I ever came to that in 7 years was the response "I don't know" and a panic attack.

However, he hasn't yet, and after he told me that, he texted me a few weeks later (at 3 in the morning) to say he was thinking about me. And then another one after a few more weeks to say he had a dream about me. This is how you act to your ex when you want to marry your current lady?

Once I read him a statement about commitment phobes that said "commitment phobic men love the chase but hate the kill" - and he sort of snorted in response as if to agree.

But I can't but feeling obsessed over the simple fact that he said he wants to marry her but never me. It feels like the ultimate classic lead me on betrayal. I put up with so much crap from him and we went through so much together and this chick has barely done anything!

Thoughts?

Jul 29 - 7AM
Lobo555
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CharlieSheenWinning told me

CharlieSheenWinning told me for years he didn't want a relationship. Then he told me he was still not over his ex-fiance who dumped him two years prior. I broke things off after hearing that. Then THREE WEEKS LATER he MARRIED another woman -- not me, not his ex-fiance. He married a woman he knew for only those three weeks after I broke things off. Their words do not match their actions. Their actions only match their situation. What's good for right now? Oh okay, I'll do THAT. >.<
Jul 28 - 2PM
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Twisted

I wouldn't believe him at all. Wants to marry her?! Then texts you? No, he is full of shit. His words were likely a test to see if you still cared... they LIE ALL THE TIME to get whatever they think they want in the moment and that moment changes from minute to minute. His texts followed those words because he was probably hoping to get some on the side from you. His thoughts probably went something like this "Gee, maybe telling her I want to marry OW will make her miss me enough to beg to have me back so I can have sex with her again and power over both of them - wouldn't that be fun!" He is sick. If he does marry her, I feel bad for her. You are lucky to be away from him, even if it still hurts now... one day you will feel such relief to have dodged the bullet that is the narc and be sooooo much happier regardless of what he does or doesn't do. Don't let him saying he wants to marry her affect you, please. It is all a game to him and he won't change for her - even if he does marry her, her life will be tortured by his disorder. You are LUCKY he didn't want to marry you - let THAT thought replace your obsessive thoughts that you were somehow not 'good enough' - HE is the one who will never be good enough for you!! ((hugs))

Journey on...

Jul 27 - 9AM
Hunter
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What they say are just words

What they say are just words to devalue! If it makes you feel any better after one year of building up a great relationship, plans & and many I love you! I got " Ha you thought we were having a relationship" well" yes I did you piece is shit"! That may friend is as hurtful as what he said to you! It's all about effect, not the words! You said it yourself, he's still not married, and he never will be! That poor woman is going to get it worse, she may have all the plans made only to have his cruel actions and words destroy her. Hunter
Jul 26 - 4PM
Erali
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I feel like marriage for them

I feel like marriage for them may have nothing to do with who, but whether they feel like it at the time. G*d only knows what kind of alignment of stars, winds, tides and moods would set the "marriage" light on in these guys' heads. It probably has nothing to do with you OR her.
Jul 26 - 1PM
Reddley
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Well from my own

Well from my own experience... I said I love and he turned into the biggest passive aggressive prick I've ever had the pleasure of being around. Marry someone who acts like an asshole after you tell them how you feel about them? HAH Not on your life. I might stop to cook him dinner one last time just so I can spit in it before I serve it to him. I'm sure yours had stellar moments too when you said something heartfelt or emotional. Really wanna marry that? Who cares if he marries someone else? Let's forget about him being a narc for a second here. If he treated you like shit and he doesn't treat the new one like shit maybe it just wasn't meant to be. He's a greedy narc... keeping you both hanging around... tossing you crumbs to keep you interested so he doesn't have to really work for his next meal(NS).
Jul 28 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
SailorChik
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Mine would avoid the word "love" like it was a cockroach

In fact, once I'd said, "let's make love" and he corrected me: "let's make whoopie." He did admit once that he "more than liked" me and that it was "deeper" than infatuation...but the behavior told a different story.
Jul 26 - 1PM
Gullable1
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Thoughts

Yeah, I have some thoughts! Was he a great guy who just didn't want to get married? Or a total raging narc who made you miserable? If you answered raging narc who made you miserable, then be thanking your luck stars and or what ever gd you believe to be true, that you are not involved in a forever relationship with the douche! Many narcs believe marriage is just a formality, they can still get strange on the side. Sounds like he wants you to be the strange? Ignore his ass....
Jul 26 - 4PM (Reply to #9)
twisted
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Yeah the answer is definitely

Yeah the answer is definitely a raging narc who made me miserable! I know...I dodged a huge bullet.
Jul 26 - 5PM (Reply to #10)
Gullable1
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Twist...

Your on the right path! Be thankful he is someone else's problem. Lets all have a moment of silence and celebrate your freedom!!! Get a new number, or hang the f up when he calls, your officially fired!
Jul 26 - 11AM
spinning
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twisted, classic narc...

...see how his actions STILL DON'T MATCH UP WITH HIS WORDS? He hasn't married her, has he. He told you that so you will be doing EXACTLY what you are doing right now...obsessing about what so-called 'fault' you have that she does not have that makes him bestow his glorious gift of wanting to "marry" upon her. WHAT BULL! He's probably telling her he almost married you or whatever... YUCK! Everything that comes out of their mouths is "twisted!" You ARE NOT! He's the loser. YOU ARE NOT!! She's the loser, too, she just doesn't know it yet... Most sincerely, (not) spinning. AND IT FEELS GREAT

spinning

Jul 26 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
bakingfortherapy
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rihgt on spinning...

Your comments are right on woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 26 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
lillymarch
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Are they really using their brain?

I wonder if they can calculate something so elaborate as planning senerios where we are questioning their motives about marriage and such. To me I felt like my ex-N wasn't thinking about me at all. As long as he was getting 'supply' from somewhere, who cares about me! Then when that supply dismissed him, he was back at me for more. Can they think of anyone else but themselves??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Jul 26 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
Gullable1
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Brain?

Yes.... They are using the little brain ....
Jul 26 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
twisted
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That's so true Spinning,

That's so true Spinning, thanks. His actions NEVER matched his words.....I don't why I always forget that or why I still believe him. I guess it's just that even for words that's really big for him to say, I was shocked to hear it. I've been marinating over this one for a long time.
Jul 27 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
Better than ever
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My exNarc would always talk

My exNarc would always talk down regarding his ex-girlfriend BUT once I asked him whether he would have married her, he said they looked for rings together, etc......So, even though he complained (she had many issues, so I've HEARD...)he still went through the "formality" of ring shopping.....how interesting. So I guess it really didn't mean much when he also did this with me.....
Jul 29 - 11AM (Reply to #4)
Sunafterrain
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Hmmmm

So what is it when they DO get married and FAST! Mine did say he wanted to get married again and didn't want to be alone the rest of his life. I think his motives are completely different. He thinks that once she's caught in the marital web, he has more power and control. Money was also an issue for my ex.