The narc in public

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#1 Sep 28 - 3PM
Tigerlily
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The narc in public

I`ve been thinking a bit lately about how Wottaprick used to treat me in public and wondering if anyone else has experienced this.
When he was still idealizing me, he took me to visit all his friends in about the first few six weeks, flaunting me much like Krishna did his peacock feather (like "see what I caught".).

But very soon after, I increasingly had the feeling that he resented having to be "attached" to me when we went anyway together. I could feel him sitting next to me, straining inwardly to be sitting next to or talking to anyone BUT me, resenting me and punishing me by not looking at me, or speaking two words to me, or giving any outward sign he even knew me.

I never felt like part of a couple any more when we went anywhere. He didn`t go off or socialize, he would stay right next to me, but the way he treated me (or rather didn`t treat me) was worse than being ignored. It was as if he were so furious with me for even existing that he was putting ALL his energy into demonstrating to everyone that I didn`t exist. It was far worse than being ignored, it felt like being negated.

This culminated in January 2011 in an evening where we were invited to two parties, one after the other. Exactly a year before, we had also gone to both parties, while he was still in the idealization phase. All evening we had danced, laughed, talked, kissed, held hands. I had never been so happy in my life. At the second party there was a tombola and I won first prize, a holiday in Italy for two (which I went on with him and which was a complete nightmare), which seemed like a sign that my luck had changed for the better. I had never won anything before.

All year I tried to talk him into going dancing with me again, and he just wouldn`t. So I was really looking forward to the parties this year, because I wanted to dance with him again.

Shortly before we were due to leave, he caused an argument and threatened not to go. In the car on the way he threatened to turn around and go home again. He marched into the first party leaving me miles behind, crossed the room at the speed of light and immediately immersed himself in conversation with a work colleague (both parties were his friends, I didn`t know anyone there). He ignored me the whole evening.`

On the way to the second party, I tried to tell him how much being ignored all evening had hurt me. He immediately started yelling and screaming, stopped the car so abruptly I really hurt my neck and commanded me to get out. I did. I sat on a wall for about five minutes, then he came and talked me into getting back into the car. We went to the second party.

At the second party I didn`t see him once. I could hear his inane laugh all over the place, but I was so sunk in pain and sadness, I just huddled into myself at a table on my own like a sick fledgeling. At the first party, I´d tried to enjoy myself and communicate with people, even though I was hurting badly. But at the second, I just couldn`t. Every time I heard that stupid laugh of his, it went through me like a knife.

And then I began to feel angry, or rather, some kind of idea began to seep through the pain than I was sick and tired of being a victim, that I refused to be a victim any more. So I got up and went over to where he was talking and flirting with an attractive blonde woman. I went right up to him as a man would and roared, "Hey Rambo, you old SOB, where you been, buddy, haven`t seen you for years" and then I playfully slapped him a couple of times on the cheeks (NOT hard - just the way a certain kind of man does to his buddies, right hand, left cheek, left hand, right cheek - some men even PINCH each other`s cheeks).

Wottaprick was slack-jawed with astonishment and so was his lady friend. She recovered first, and stammered, "er, that`s not Rambo, that`s Wottaprick". "Rubbish" I said. "I`d know my old buddy Rambo anywhere, and that`s Rambo. Wottaprick" I fixed him with an icy glare "doesn`t exist".

I have no memory at all what happened afterwards, and I hadn`t drunk enough to warrant a blackout. Three times with him I blacked out out of sheer pain, I think. He tells me they threw us out for making a scene. I think he makes my part of the scene worse than it was, but I just don`t remember.

Between January and April when I left him, he didn`t go anywhere with me.

I never behaved this way, before or after him.
I never blacked out before or after him.
I didn`t in any way plan what I did, I had no idea at all what I was going to do before I did it. This was the effect he had on me. But somehow I don`t feel bad about it. He looked so gobsmacked, I wanted to laugh. And I think it scared the shit out of him.

I`m sorry this is so long. I think this is what is meant by "getting it out". In his back-handed, sneaky, passive-aggressive way, he`s started hoovering again. I am still NC and will defend it with my life. But it`s shaking a lot of shit loose, and I haven`t told anyone this before.
Have a nice, quiet, NC narc-free nite, ladies!
Love to all fellow sufferers
Tigerlily

Sep 28 - 7PM
heritage
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Wow Tiger! I can so

Wow Tiger! I can so rfelate!! During firstg 6 months he introduced me to his friends and was proud to have me on his arm. Took me to his friends house, took tm to a concert with friends then look out! As time wore on he would go to things alone and not tell me and I would see him on facebook smiling, drinking, life of the pary, etc. Then May 2010 his bf wa throwing him a 50th so of course I had to go. I was the decoy so I drove him to his friends where party was. OMG what a night! We were there 7 hours, there were 50 people there and he spent 5 minutes with me eating, that is it! I knew about 10 people there and they were all couples. I did my best for awhile then I just walked around. He made me sick. TReated me like a stranger, neglected me the entire night. I had been with him 41/2 years at this point. We drove back to my house insilence and I went inside and cried. I told him I never wanted to see pictures or videos, that I wanted no reminders of the evening. The he stopped taking me to things and told me he didn't want to take me. I was devastated. He would tell his friends I couldn't make the events. (Didn't realize I was going thru devaluing at this time). His abuse was off the charts. He is so abnormal, disturbed. I hate every inch of him now. wish I never stuck around for his horrendous abuse. Every other couple seemed so normal but us. But if I was alone with him at his house he was different. Also, last fall we went to football games with his neighbors and he was an iceberg. Ignoring me at the tailgate and at the game. He treated his ex w the same way. He was always smiling for the cameras and she had a miserable look and now I know why. I became her. In private he loved me more than anything, I was the love of his life, going to marry me blah blah blah but in public I was a complete stranger. So bizarre!
Sep 28 - 7PM
sadderbutwiser
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my narc does this to his wife

tigerlily, i don't post much but i had to respond to you. my narc has been married to his wife for 25 years. whenever we have seen them in public, you wouldn't even know they were married. he never sits with her, or even stands near her. he acts like she's not even there. he is VERY social and is always making the rounds and she is an introvert. what is pathetic is that she worships him. what you did was awesome!! it shows that you have healthy self esteem. can you imagine being married to him for 25 years? but the reason her narc husband does it still is cause she allows it. you didn't, and you should be proud. sure, she doesn't LOOK crazy, she's just a doormat. i'll take the narc thinking i'm crazy rather than let him treat me like shit like he does his long term wife.
Sep 28 - 7PM (Reply to #16)
Tigerlily
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Aw thanx, Sadderbutwiser

I think thats just what I needed to hear. Mine was married for fifteen years and moved straight from being married to living with me. I had had nothing to do with men for approximately five years and was thus extremely sensisitive to & wary of abuse. I have seen him socially interact with his mother, his wife, his daughter and his sister, and I think I can safely say that his attitude towards anything female sucks. He doesn´t even like female animals (my family`s rabbit, his family`s cat). I only saw him a couple of times with his wife, and my feeling was that she wore the pants. He hated her, but knuckled under. I didn`t wear the pants. He hated me. And I knuckled under. I don`t know what this means. I don`t know if it means anything. I``m groping my way forward, following my feeling, at the moment. And I thank my lucky starsa this forum gives me the chance to do that. Thanks for answering, who does. Thanks for reading, who does. Thanks for existing, we all do. Love, Tigerlily
Sep 28 - 4PM
Tigerlily
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I think what I`m really asking is

Can anyone on this forum understand why I behaved the way I did? HIS friends thought I was crazy. Little by little, MY friends started to think I was crazy (and he manipulated my friends wherever he could gain access to them, so I stopped introducing him to my friends and starting hiding my telephone book too. He was always trying to gain access to my computer, it was a constant assault if I`m honest. Like a horrible psycho film). I don`t feel guilty. He was always trying to make me feel guilty for the way I reacted when he inflicted pain on me, he was always trying to twist it so that he was only treating me so badly because I was behaving so crazy, but I know from the E-mails (I`ve erased them now, but I kept them as long as I was still learning from them) that he started to treat me badly long before I started to behave in crazy ways. Thankyou for listening. All this time, it`s disturbed me that I wasn`t really in contact with my feelings (except anger, maybe). Because before I met him I was always in contact with my feelings. And now I`m sitting here and grieving finally, with tears running down my face. That`s been missing since I left him I couldn`t grieve, and now I`m grieving. Thankyou my sisters one and all.
Sep 28 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
uk lady
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once you have investigated and read enough

You will understand and accept the situation. Your questions will never have a definite answer because these guys never give the relationship closure. And if you don't get it it's up to you to finally walk away. Don't waste your life trying to analyse it. All power to you. Dee x
Sep 28 - 4PM (Reply to #10)
Hunter
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They make you crazy!! It's

They make you crazy!! It's part of the game !! Hunter
Sep 28 - 5PM (Reply to #11)
Tigerlily
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What do they gain?

It`s so alien for me, I can`t comprehend it. If I love someone, I care whether they`re happy or not. If I love someone, I take care of them when they`re ill or low. Even if I only like someone, I`m loyal, keep my word, show up for appointments and excuse myself when this is not possible. And irrespective of what I feel for someone, I always avoid hurting people unnecessarily. Lack of empathy - that means for me kicking me when I was down - was the first clear red flag. But even before that were numerous occasions where he said or did something and I had the feeling he was putting me off balance deliberately. or testing me out for what put me off balance. Hell, if I love someone, I want them to feel ON balance. What`s the matter with these creatures? They´re what my father used to call totally arse about tit. They LOSE love, what can be worse than that? So what do they gain?
Sep 29 - 8PM (Reply to #13)
Susan32
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Control at any cost...

Even if it means ultimately LOSING control. My former Narc boss wasn't my lover, but I always felt off balance with him. If I raised objections, said no to anything, he'd question my willingness to work, my abilities, I ended up questioning MYSELF instead of his bad behavior, his broken promises. He wanted CONTROL-even if meant my first 2 weeks consisted of him pointing out every mistake I made and angrily threatening me with the "unemployment line." It keeps a new hire off balance to spend the first 2 weeks yelling at someone&threatening them with firing. It's a SHOW of control because he lacked control. He lost respect as a supervisor because he didn't respect his employees. It was not long after the final D&D by the ex-Psych prof that I worked for the Narc boss, and he'd mock me in front of my coworkers for my "tendency to freak out." If I were a supervisor and saw that I had an employee who was anxious&panicky, I would find ways to make the job EASIER, not harder. Not cause needless pain for kicks. My former Narc boss would refer to employees as "warm bodies." I remember telling him how I felt like I was being treated like a machine. He'd be furious whenever people called in sick, and I felt singled out if I were the one ill. When I came down with food poisoning, my Narc boss and his friend/AM cook (they're still palling around, tho he injured her&lied about it) blamed me for it, thought it was FUNNY. And my former Narc boss wonders why I won't work for him at the new nursing home. It's all about control-even if it means the loss of control (of other people), humiliation, loss of respect, loss of love. It's power with a great human cost. They end up throwing away what is the most precious in life.
Sep 28 - 7PM (Reply to #12)
Winter
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Power, Tigerlily, power...

That is what they gain. You cannot compare a normal person (yourself) with a disordered one (a narc). Don't even try to logically understand it, never mind emotionally. There are many phenomena we cannot comprehend. But we know it is true, because we learnt that from high school, college, etc.. Can we understand the concept of infinity of the universe? No, we just take it for granted. Same with narcs and btw they are much easier than quantum mechanics. Now we are all Narcissism 101 certified. Some of us unfortunately took advanced courses. Our power is our knowledge. We know it exists and we know what it looks and what it smells like.
Sep 28 - 4PM
Hunter
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Hark, Hark another loving

Hark, Hark another loving Narc!! Seriously?? How is one suppose know what these crackers are until you are used and tossed in the trash! This story is no different then some I experienced / we all experience!! No wonder Hollywood had do much material!! Sorry Hun, he's a piece of shit!! Hunter
Sep 28 - 4PM
uk lady
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They just love it when

you act crazy because it shows that they have got to you. All projection and because of their indifference you end up feeling like the guilty party because you can't believe what has happened and they take great delight in replaying the scenario to you. When most times it is because they can't verbalise how they are feeling. My ex got so out of his tree with rage one day and, I had my young son in the back of my car, that I stopped the car and told him to get out and then he proceeded to kick the car. My son had just grown so used to his irratic behaviour that he didn't bat an eyelid but which I now feel so guilty about exposing him to. They love to push our buttons. His therapist even told him that I knew how to push his. She was well under his spell and I never ever got to the bottom of if he ever told her the truth because they are such players. Don't beat yourself up - they're not worth it. Dee x
Sep 28 - 3PM
needing2know
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When we would be around

When we would be around people he knew, he never introduced me, I never met his parents in the years I was with him, He never told anyone he was even in a relationship, if guys made a positive comment about me he gave me dirty looks and I didn't do anything ! he never held my hand in public I always walked behind him or just off to the side.
Sep 28 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
Tigerlily
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Thankx for answering, Needing!

But was he like that at the start? What drove me crazy with mine was the difference between the way he was at the start and the way he was later. If he`d been like that at the start, I`d have kicked his sorry butt into the garbage and gone on my way whistling merrily to myself. It was the 180 degree about-turn he made after about four months that totally stunned me, and because I`d never experienced anything like that before, I tended to believe him when he blamed me (my age, the fact I`d been 5 years without a relationship, previous bad relationships I`d had, blah blah blah). By the time I realized it really was him, I was so involved on so many levels that I only got out by the skin of my teeth, and I think that happens to a lot of us.
Sep 28 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
needing2know
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In the beginning we never

In the beginning we never were around anyone he knew, when he took me to his company Christmas parties he wouldn't introduce me , his co workers came up to me and introduced themselves. Even when he opened up his buiseness people that came in he didn't tell them who I was. Every time I went to see him there he would give me dirty looks like "what the hell are you doing here"
Sep 28 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
Susan32
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Not introducing to coworkers

The ex-Psych prof thought that throwing his girlfriend in my face would cause me extreme pain, or drive me to a suicide attempt like Natasha (who poisons herself when she finds out her fiance already has a common-law wife) in "War and Peace." A friend of mine had just died, so he was flaunting her (he hadn't told me about her beforehand, I didn't know she existed) It was the first time he brought her to a college function, the first time she came to a concert/lecture. She had come all the way from LA to be with him. I introduced myself to her... he didn't. He didn't introduce her to his fellow professors. Instead, he stood in the doorway glaring. He ended up heading down the stairs. When she saw that he had abandoned her... she went running down the stairs after him, and they were obviously arguing. The man who wouldn't introduce her to his colleagues, who abandoned her in front of everyone... ended up being her husband&the father of her children. I was shocked. I had been D&D'd horribly&publicly... but what took me aback was that he treated his girlfriend as badly as he had treated me. Unbelievably, the ex-P thought he was making me envious. I don't envy a woman whose boyfriend abandons her, doesn't introduce her to his colleagues... I feel mortified for her.
Sep 28 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
Tigerlily
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Shit, Needing

Why`d you put up with it? If you`re together with a man, you have a right to be introduced to his co-workers! That`s why I went nuts when he changed. But I sure as hell wouldn`t have had even a second date with him if he hadn`t treated me like a queen to start with! I went nuts because he changed. If a man`s not prepared to treat you like a queen, kick his ass out of your life (old Tigerlily wisdom). If he starts by treating you as a queen, and suddenly starts treating you like shit, kick his ass out of your life (new Tigerlily wisdom). Little bit of Tigerlily Wisdom for Needing - start seeing yourself as someone who DESERVES to be treated like a Queen, because she IS! Many, many thanks for answering, Needing - I really needed feedback this evening! Hugs Tigerlily
Sep 28 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
bedrtimes
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you are so totally right.

you are so totally right. every decent woman deserves to be treated like a queen. its not asking lot. im not looking for chivalry and do-everything-i-ask, but dammit treat me like i am a human being and a lady. dont treat me like im some undeserving pile of crap. i deserve respect. i dont know how many times i said that. how pathetic now that i look back. i feel as if i was begging to be treated with respect. if they wont treat you respectfully kick their ass to the curb. no one should have to ask for respect.