Mystwoman's Story

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#1 Sep 11 - 4PM
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Mystwoman's Story

I met my N in 1992 at work, and we quickly became friends. He was intelligent, charming, and had a really great sense of humor at the beginning. He was also married and had two small children. We started getting to know each other initially at a “going-away” lunch for a fellow employee, and it soon progressed into him coming into my office regularly to talk. We were friends ONLY at this time. Since I commuted 65 miles to work every day, and he lived in town with his family, there wasn’t much contact after work hours in the beginning. However, he started playing in a band with my carpool’s husband who lived about a mile from my house. N then started obsessively calling daily, and stopping by on his way home from band practice. This should have been a big red flag to me but I missed it. Even at this point in our relationship, he was all about himself. I didn’t really appreciate him knocking on my door at midnight when my lights were all off, and it was obvious to all (but N apparently) that I was in bed asleep. He wasn’t concerned about waking me up…just about his desire to stop by my house for a visit. Needless to say, when his wife saw the phone bill with long distance charges from his calling me, she was very upset with N (and rightfully so, IMO).

After this happened, our conversations quickly turned to N complaining about his marriage, and how horrible his life was (this should have also been another red flag to me and I overlooked it). Everything apparently was all her fault, she was frigid, she wasn’t his friend, he had to do EVERYTHING concerning the kids, she got pregnant twice to “trap” him in the marriage, on and on and on….Poor, poor pitiful (and apparently blameless) him. At the time, I bought his act and even felt sorry for him.

One day after we’d known each other for about six months, he came to work and announced to me that he was leaving his wife, and he wanted to be with me since I was like “no one he’d ever met” and “I wasn’t like ‘other’ women that just play games”. Even though he was separating from his wife, he had nowhere else to live. He, also, supposedly had no money either because of “her” credit card debts, and he was still planning to live at her house with her and the kids for a while. This should have been another red flag to me…he wanted a relationship with me but wouldn’t end the one with his wife.

After several weeks of this, a mutual friend offered to let N live in his spare bedroom for free, and loaned him enough money for N to pay off “her” credit card debts making it so that N wouldn’t need to file bankruptcy. N proceeded to spend money in huge amounts even though he was living for free with the friend, and owed the friend buckets of money for “his wife’s” credit card debt. This caused fights between N and the friend as well.

At his point, our romantic relationship was just starting. I wouldn’t go out with N until he was out of his ex’s house, and was at least legally separated. N continued to go over to his ex’s house every night anyway, and staying there with his kids until she got off work at about midnight. I had serious problems with him being involved with me, and still spending large amounts of time at her house. N also wouldn’t leave her house most nights when she got home so that they could “talk”. It was like they were separated but still together. He wanted his cake and to eat it, too. We had many fights over this, and broke up over it several times as well. After living at the friend’s house for almost a year, N was told he needed somewhere else to live. N bought a cheap mobile home, and after paying the friend the last of the money he owed to him for “her” debts, N filed for bankruptcy anyway. This, of course, became my fault somehow for “making” him move into a place that he couldn’t afford. The fights between us were very destructive, frequent, and of course, all “my” fault. Everything was always all about him, his kids (an extension of himself), or his ex-wife interfering in our lives (once again an extension of himself and his wishes).

Our relationship went on this way, for eight years because I refused to marry him or live with him while he continued to allow his kids and ex to completely rule our lives together. At this point, things were still very rocky between us, but our relationship was interlaced with some really good times as well. I (stupidly) loved him deeply, and assumed that he loved me. We got married, and once the wedding ring hit my finger, N became more like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde than normal.

The first thing that happened was my getting appendicitis while he was on a business trip in Spain. Because I was alone at home, the hospital wouldn’t release me until someone was there to help. The day I got out of the hospital was the day N returned home. Thus, I ended up in the car with staples and stitches in my abdomen only wanting to go home, but no…. it was N’s day to have the kids. So while he made me sit in the car in misery, he went into the house to talk with the ex and supposedly “get them ready”. I was outside in the car alone for close to an hour. When he finally brought them out, his youngest kid was obviously very sick…but he WAS going to have his kids on “his” day come Hell or high water. As it turns out, she had strep throat and gave it to me. He then went off to work on “his” day with the kids even though it was my first day out of the hospital. A few days later, I found out that coughing and barfing with stitches while being stuck with N’s sick kid, is NOT pretty. I should have seen N’s true colors at this point and divorced him. He obviously wasn’t concerned about me, my feelings, or even my health. I loved him but, if actions speak louder than words, he wasn’t showing love towards me. N was only worried about N.

Our entire married life revolved around him, his kids, his ex, his wishes. Of course, I was to blame for everything that’s ever happened on this planet. I’ve been called every name possible, had things thrown me, been physically held in place and otherwise manhandled due to N and his rages. I’ve been told that I’m “holding him back and ruining his life” because I have some very serious health problems and can’t go camping, etc. with him. He’s told me that he wished that I’d just go away and die. I believe him.

He also has a daughter that I suspect is a sociopath, and has been doing drugs for several years now. Between N and his oldest daughter, I feel like I’ve been dragged behind a car for the past 16 years. Finally after eight years of marriage with N and his crap (16 total), he came home and announced that “he doesn’t love me anymore and he wants a divorce”. By this time, I’d had enough of his threats, drama, chaos, and rages. I said, “Fine. Divorce it is.” When he started asking how long he could stay (planning to live at my house torturing me after D&D…like he did his first wife, I told him he had until he packed his duffle bag…maximum 15 minutes.) . That was four months ago. He tried threatening me on the way out the door because I wouldn’t let him stay, but I had the phone in my hand ready to call the cops, and he decided to just exit quietly the final time. I guess spending the night in jail didn’t appeal to him, and he opted for a motel. The divorce was final almost three months ago.

I’ve also since found out he’s had a girlfriend in another state that he was seeing several months before the D&D. I’ve filed a complaint at work about him harassing me on the job (I have 51 nasty emails from him to me archived as proof), and I have been able to maintain No Contact for the past three months…other than passing him in the halls. I don’t speak to him. My employer is taking my complaint very seriously, and he has been told by management that he will be reprimanded if he continues to contact me on the job. My big hope is that he’ll leave soon for somewhere far, far away from me. He’s threatened me with divorce and him moving away for many years now. I wish he’d do it. My life with N has been pure Hell, and I’m looking forward to a MUCH better future without him in the future. It’s already been much better just not living with him. :)

Sep 12 - 8AM
fooled no longer
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sounds so narc, Mystwoman story

This rings many bells with me and Im sure many others on the site. Especially the ex wife who never gave him sex and forced him into marriage senario, which mine had too. Poor soul how hard it is to live with someone who shares non of your interests, so we fall for the story.. we think we can be different for them but we are not, just new supply, fresh meat. I'm just amazed how these men get anyone with all the baggage they carry. I can assure you having been a single mother with two children and some debt that no man would look twice at me, except for a short fling- until my children were raised. So how the hell do these men get all these women to fall for them? lying and con artistry thats how, there should be a course at school "how to spot a con artist before you marry him girls". keep your head up A
Sep 12 - 5AM
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Mystwoman's story

I read your story, and it struck a cord with me. I, like your nH's ex was the wife, whom, I am assuming, my hN told his long time affair, that he was stuck with me in a miserable, horrible existence. And that I too, trapped him in the marriage with two pregnancies. This is all an assumption, but listening to your story, it all makes sense. As you see, for years, my hN was a serial cheating, lying, manipulative beast, who would tell me how much he loved me and couldn't live without me, but yet, had at least two or three other women on the side, and always had one serious affair, as he did with this last one. For over two years I was tormented by him, by her, by the whole situation. He would tell me it was over with her, and that she was a bitch and this and that, and I am assuming he was telling her he couldnt leave because our daughter had problems and the finanaces, they were on and off, on and off, but whenever they were on, I just knew it, and trust me, unlike you, this woman let me know, she fought me tooth and nail, until I finally threw him out. My point is, what you said he told you about his first wife, is probably the same things my hN told this one, so I am wondering, now that he has no money, no where to live, and I left his things on her doorstep, he is living with her, I wonder, if things will turn out the same for her, the annoying, hes here everyday, has no money because of me, and the bills and our daughter, I wonder, and maybe you could answer me, if her life is a living hell now, or if it will become one, oh, and by the way, he has two others on the side, that I positively know of, but this one has no idea, I think??? Why does it take so long for someone to figure out, these men are lying about their wives, their lives, and about everything? The one my hN is living with seems to be very arrogant, cocky, and feels she won, she fought hard enough to get me to throw him out, but do you think, like you, she will figure him out? Do you think her life will become the nightmare yours became, well I should say ALL OF OURS became? Just wondering, since I am the wife and know deep in my heart he told her everything yours told you about me. Would you mind replying? Thanks Jaycee

Jaycee

Sep 12 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
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Hi Jaycee, You post really

Hi Jaycee, Your post really pulled on my heart strings. After going through everything I've gone through with my ex and listening to his b.s./lies for years, I am fairly certain his first ex most likely had my N do the same things to her that he's done to me. He told her intimate confidences to me, and I'm sure that what I've told N in confidence is most likely being spread to the other woman, his family, and most of the planet as we speak. Right now, the only difference in his stories about me is that he can't blame me for his money problems and debt. I'd never shared any accounts or credit cards with him during the entire 16 years I'd known him. He is scary bad with money. At this point, I sincerely doubt that all of the debt he had when we met was just because of his wife. He's in worse financial shape now, and I know for a fact that he did it ALL himself. She was merely his scapegoat. He put the blame on her. I,also, am fairly certain from things I've heard from others (as well as N) that he was cheating on and raging at her much like he's cheated on and raged at me for years. I know of at least one story where he shredded their water bed padding with a cheese grater while raging at her for hours. I'm guessing that he's put her through the same types of hell that he's done to me. N also had dumped his first ex one time years before we'd ever met. She found him and one of his old girlfriends holding hands and kissing in a ice cream parlor the next day. Funny how right after he walked out on me, this SAME old girlfriend turned up on Facebook in a picture cuddling my ex on a blanket at the family picnic. He couldn't even wait until the divorce papers were typed up. There were also other women through the years that I had been suspicious about. However, I was too naive and trusting to think he would do that to me. My mistake. To answer your question about whether or not these other women will have our N's make their lives a living hell. I would say most likely "yes". My N is like a wolf in sheep's clothing. He can be sweet and charming when it suits his needs. However, underneath the clothing, he's NOT a sweet little sheep. He's a wolf, and he can be QUITE cruel. These new women are their next victims. Like us, the N will use them up, and after making them miserable, our N's will discard them just like they did us. You N's new woman can be cocky all she wants. She's still dealing with the same person as you. At this point, I truly feel sorry for my N's first ex, and it makes me very sad to know that my involvement with N could have enabled him to cause her any of the same pain that he has inflicted on me. The truth is that we were now both hurt badly by N, and he's trotting off blissfully not caring about the path of destruction that he's leaving in his wake. He's only all about him. The only thing that I can think about why it takes us so long to figure them out, stop believing their lies about their wives, etc. is that we're in love with the charming person that we see at first. In my case, I missed many red flags about him because I didn't want to take a good look under that cloak that he was wearing. I wanted to believe that he was a charming, caring, loving person. Someone I loved. Face it, none of us would fall in love with our N's, if we'd seen their true self's right from the start. The fact that I loved him so deeply and he betrayed me with an illusion makes the pain run deeper in some ways. My main consolation, at this point, is that I no longer have to hurt from his continual abuse. I will heal and move on with my life as much as I possibly can. He, on the other hand, is extremely poor financially, closing in on 50 years old, has a lot of baggage that other women probably will not see as huge attributes in a serious relationship...most of all, he is still a wolf in sheep's clothing. His pattern will continue because he can't walk away from himself. His first ex wife was 100% correct when she told him he would never be happy with anything because doesn't know what it is to LET himself just be happy. Sorry about the long winded reply. I hope it helped answer some of your questions. Take care and keep in touch. Mystwoman

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Sep 12 - 8PM (Reply to #4)
jaycee
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jaycee your post really

thanks mystwoman, I really appreciate you replying, im glad you told me all of that, and you are right, my hNs affair turned to live in, can be as cocky as she wants, but there has to be some part of her that knows, what he did with her, he will do to her. as you see, she had been sleeping with him for over two years before i threw him out, it was sneaky and underhanded and she knew how i loved him, so there has to be a point when she realizes, now that the honeymoon is over, that he is doing to her what he did with her. she knew i loved him more than anything and knew we were a family, she settled with the sneaking around and playing the ultimatum game with him, but he would not leave, it took me throwing him out, for her to truly have him, so in this case very different than yours, so maybe as cocky as she is, maybe she is insecure enough to see him a little more clearly than someone else would. ah.......wait till she finds out (she had him change his address through the post office immediately) that hes changed his address back here, for financial reasons, yet, she is going to freak.........lol maybe things like that and the fact that he is constantly texting me at all hours, might give her a clue. as he did that too me, with her, texting her as i slept right next to him. now, hes texting me as she is supposedly sleeping, or he thinks, i would wake and see him texting it broke my heart i cried for two years, as he lied and lied and continued to say he was threw with her, as he was probably telling her we were only together for finances and our daughter having problems, or whatever. sorry im babbling so tired, havent slept in days, but please tell me, will he discard her too, even though he has it made, she buys him everything, pays for everything, and he gets to cheat with his others all the time, and still comes here crying the i love you and miss you everyday. will he discard her?

Jaycee

Sep 17 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
ShaynasMommy
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re-read your own post, honey...

Yes. He will discard her. In fact, he already has discarded her, emotionally. She just hasn't fully grasped that yet. She's probably running around like a chicken with her head cut off, accusations flying for all we know. She's not about to let anyone know theres trouble in paradise, though. The more you post about this girl, the more sick she sounds and its obvious she could be a Narc herself. As image is everything to a Narc, mum's the word for her. And in true Narc fashion, if he doesn't move on from her, she will move on from him once she figures out she can't control the situation or him. Its all about control. That's why narcs generally don't seek each other out. The stink in the room is just too great for both too bear.
Sep 11 - 4PM
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Welcome...

to the board, I'm glad you found us! And also glad you got out when you did and have been so resolute about NC. It can only get better from here...and I hope for your sake he moves away too. It was a big relief for me when the ex was settled in another state. Here's to better times!