My first post- this is CRAZY

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#1 Apr 25 - 1AM
2heal
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My first post- this is CRAZY

I have been on this site for over a year. I have read and read and read. My story is very very sad but before I post my story I need advise fast and I have no where to go but here. My therapist told me he was a sociopath before I could finish my first sentence about how I met him. I laughed it off. Sociopaths as I knew it were murders. Long story short I started researching and educating myself and what a blessing I found this site. Here is my problem, I have been seeing him for 3 years. The first 2 in darkness and all the typical feelings of anxiety, depression,highs/lows. Emotional highs,sexual intensity, fun, scary, interesting,exciting, but always with a terrible feeling in my gut saying something is off. I never trusted my gut as he told me I had trust issues and i started looking into why I had trust issues.(what a rollercoaster) Anyways 2 years later the OW who he claimed was his only friend turned out to be his supply for the last 12 years. She has supplied housing,sex, more sex,and sex, food, money and her soul. She has been a secret girlfriend of his and a great source of supply as he has sucked everything out of her and she is HOOKED !! She has absolutly no idea that he is a N. After I found out that he was sleeping with her at his whim, of course at the same time he was with me.( I later found out about a 3rd woman who isn't constant supply but there when he needs her) all of this at the same time I was seeing him and guess what.... none of the women knew about the other. He is that good. The 12 year supply had no idea about me until I confronted her. She went crazy and threaten(a smear campaign)which would be damaging to his business and my life (I am married). I know you all understand this. I was in a vulnerable place.

He claims he has spend the last 10 months calming her down and hoovering her (for sure) in efforts not to damage me and my live. Which would be true but it also served him.

I know he is still with this OW and still calls on me to see him because (you all know the drill) he misses me and wants me in his life.... The last 2 times I have seen him he has told me he is ready to commit to me with so much conviction it is very hard not to believe. He wants to know how I feel about a committed relationship with him. He asked on several occasions that I call his 12 year supply to confirm what he is saying is true, that they are in fact not seeing each other in that way... I found out he has been to her house at least 2 times within the last 2 weeks where he spent the night with her but they did not have sex. Really ? (Is the phone call he wants me to make an attempt to get to the OW with OW ??) thats what it feels like to me. Help !!!

I would love to contact her just so she gets more truth but my first confrontation she totally ignored, believed him and continues to be his supply till today. By the way she told me at that time about 2 other woman he had cheated with before me and she forgave him then too and took him back. He is that good !!!

Fast forward to yesterday, I went to visit him. I cannot tell you all the things he said expressing his love for me and how enjoys me etc. etc The best hoovering ever with so much truth in his expression,convincing with his words and gentle touches. The best hoovering I have ever encountered. TOP NOTCH !!! He is ready to clean his act and move forward to a new life with me with all the cards on the table. We would contact the OW tell her our intentions and that it was officially over for them etc. We would tell mutual friends about our commitment to eachother and start to build a foundation...How about we build a foundation first buddy? Isnt that the way normal people do it. I expressed to him that it was impossible to establish a serious relationship with this kind of foundation. No trust, lies and lies..callous behavior etc. I told him I really didn't know him... how could I commit to a person I don't really know, and besides he has continued to see this OW even after I told him that it was something that hurt me day in and day out. He came back with I am willing to go to a therapist with you so you can understand this. Hello, I do understand this....do you ? He is willing to pay for it so we can get clarity.

It would be a therapist of my choice. I do want to go...it will help me I believe to break free. I would choose a therapist who understands personality disorder, if she is good she will get it in the first 5 min. He will walk away knowing he is has issues and he really missed his opportunity with me (that is my intention for going) I am just worried that he may twist things in the session. What is all of this ??? crazymaking ? I need to break free but I want this therapy session ? Please advise you wonderful people on this board.

Apr 25 - 8PM
Deidre40
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{{{hugs}}} Ugh...these people

{{{hugs}}} Ugh...these people make us all so crazy... I read your story from work today, but was busy, and couldn't reply. I will say that regardless if he is a narcissist or not. Why do you want to remain with such a bad guy? Who has no morals. Doesn't value you. Treats women like property. Sometimes, we have to walk away...and just not bother giving things a label. I am a believer in closure, but with these types there really is none. The best thing you can do for yourself...is find yourself again. Find what makes YOU happy and stop concerning yourself with the other women, and why they want him...and how you can convince them he's a bad guy. They need to learn just like you did. I feel for the next victims the narc I broke up with, ends up hurting. But, for my own sake...and my kids'...I needed to move on. You have intrinsic value. INTRINSIC. You don't need this loser to make you feel worthwhile. When we are submerged in the chaos...we think chaotically. Break away...just take one day at a time, and do something for YOU. It won't be easy at first, but over time, you'll be like. huh? Who was that guy? And why did I waste so much precious time on him? It doesn't matter who he's with...it doesn't. You need to heal...and find the life you're meant to lead. Babysitting narcs to me? Is not my idea of a life, anymore. Know I care. Like my avatar...set yourself freeeeeee....like that bird. :=D
Apr 25 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
2heal
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Thank you Deidre40 for

Thank you Deidre40 for finding time to respond. I know all this. Breaking completely free is the problem. I am almost there. I am just letting myself feel all the pain and disgust. I just dont want to be in his presence anymore. The fun and good times are just not there anymore. It is replaced with anxiety and doubt.Several times, he has asked me over, we spend time together, tells me I am the one he wants to be with blah blah blah, later I find out he was with the OW the night before. Who needs that kind of abuse. He took the excitement of wanting to be near him. THIS IS A GOOD THING !!!what I wanted to achieve. As for the other woman, she has 10 plus years invested with him, has found out about other woman in his life but excepts him.I know I need to stop feeling the need to help her. She has no clue she is with a Narc.She doesnt have a clue what a sociopath/Nac/ BPD is.... neither did I. I feel so sorry for her as I watch her life wither away as she waits for a committed relationship that is never going to happen. Soon she will have him all to herself. Hugs, sounds like you have recovered well from this ordeal.
Apr 25 - 5PM
onwithmylife
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2HEAL

GIVE IT UP, my Exnarc and I went to a therapist, at his suggestion, and it did nothing, they usually twist and turn things around to make you be the bad person and when we left the therapist he got mad at me for telling the therapist that he acted like a 2 year old toddler!i told him we are both suppose to express our feelings to the therapist.THEY do not get it, sorry...do it if you want to but expect nothing from him, unless he fakes it which they do as well orf think they are smarter than the therapist, even his first wife said they went to so many different therapists and nothing, NOTHING got resolved, she finally left him and the kids behind at the time.Keep in mind, many therapists cannot tell he has a personality disorder , they are that good at disguising their illness
Apr 25 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
2heal
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Therapy with a Narc UGH !!!

Thank you everyone for your quick responses. This site is so amazing and I am so grateful to Lisa and each one of you who put the time in to help all those suffering here. My heart goes out to everyone still in the web and to those who have healed you are an inspiration. I found a therapist who specializes in personality disorder and talked to her today to let her know what she might be up against. I told her if shes good she will see it in 5 minutes. She asked what I wanted out of the session with a disordered person. I said I just want him to understand based on his actions he cannot expect a commitment out of me and to leave me alone as he is not one to hold down a relationship of that magnitude.The truth is, I do know the outcome...NOTHING !!! If nothing else he will say the therapist does not know what she is talking about. I called him and told him the cost and that I thought it was a waste of time and money. He said he would be there with a little anger in his voice. My feelings are that I will end up paying for the session and he will pay be back (maybe)or he may change his mind between now and then. I just want out. But I have to say that since my post, I am feeling so much better. I know one of the steps is writing it down and getting it out and honestly I think it is working.I have more peace today,I encourage all those who are just reading to start getting it out. It feels great knowing someone is hearing you and is understanding without judgement. I love the bluntness from some of you on this forum, I know it woke me up reading some of the responses. THANK YOU !!! for reminding he is NOT GOING TO CHANGE and he is saying everything not to lose me. I know he knows I am on my way out !!! and this may be his last hoovering attempt. Just reading has gotten me to the in-between phase which is great because I now know without a shadow of a doubt he is a Narc !!!! He is not violent, he does not get angry,but I know that there is a side I have not seen yet but its in him, it just has not been triggered.(and you know I dont want to find out) He has not abused me financially (i did not let him, not that he didnt ask for money).He hasnt physically abused me but emotionally he did some major damage. My therapist said I needed him, he was my vehicle to find myself and I did. Today, I can accept that. I just need to push through this last phase. Thank you for listening and allowing me a place to just say it like it is. I hope to help others heal in the near future when I am completely out of this. Hugs to all i will keep you guys posted on what i decide to do.
Apr 25 - 7AM
helldweller
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2heal

Boy, I agree! My narc actually said to me once, while I was crying because he had left my daughters and me behind on Thanksgiving when we had plans to spend it with him, "Honey, you know I just see your mouth moving, right? I don't understand anything you say. You might as well give up." They are incapable of being helped by therapy because they are not wrong. Nothing they do is wrong because they make up their own rules, and they would have to train themselves to learn the rules of the normal world and then force themselves to follow them every day for the rest of their lives. But even if they could, they wouldn't, because the rules of the world have to do with other peole, and no one else matters to them, no matter what they say. He is telling you the stuff he knows he has to tell you because he doesn't want to lose you, but he cannot be normal, he cannot stop hurting you, he cannot stop cheating, he cannot stop being a narc. They are BROKEN AND UNFIXABLE.
Apr 25 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
sara-smile
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Helldweller

WOW! I think that is the most honest thing I've ever heard a Narc say! Amazing! "Honey, you know I just see your mouth moving, right? I don't understand anything you say. You might as well give up."
Apr 25 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
2heal
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THANK YOU THANK YOU Just what

THANK YOU THANK YOU Just what I needed. Your post brought so much clarity. Its so crazy because we know this but somehow CD just takes over and we revert back to maybe he can change... BROKEN AND UNFIXABLE....PERIOD !!!
Apr 25 - 3AM
michele115 (not verified)
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you've been reading a year...

Nobody is that good. Go to therapy BY YOURSELF - stick to the board, cut him loose. PERIOD. That is about as simple as I can say it... Therapy and Narcs...moot point...you've been reading a year, you know this. He knows his problems better than anyone will - even the professionals which is why they was their hands. He's happily unhappy in his narcdom. RUN! in the other direction, get some help, detach and shut it down. This is a one way ticket to hell the more you engage. Hugs!
Apr 25 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
2heal
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Michele 115

Thank you for your bluntness, all your posts are so direct and to the point. No bulls@*t. I love it. Just so you know I have completed 10 months of therapy with an amazing therapist, but I think in the area of detaching and shutting it down I still have some issues. I just want to mutually agree we are going to move on and not bother each other. I know with a Narc that is not possible !! I am already tired of the same song and dance...so I believe I am close to letting go...but shutting the door tight ?? WTF ? why do I have a problem with that... I have alot at risk!!! My therapist said, "you will loose everything you have ever loved if you continue with this man". THAT should be reason enough to slam it shut one would think....this is an area I need to work on fast !!! Would love to hear if anyone is experiencing the same. Hugs to all
Apr 25 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
kevsmart
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YES MICHELE!!!

Your therapist hit the nail on the head....YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER LOVED IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THAT MAN... I lost: 1. Self respect/ esteem / love 2. Trust in others 3. Dear Friends 4. Money 5. My home 6. My job 7. (Almost my Family) After my breakup I fell into drinking heavily 8. Reputation 9. Had to move from NYC to MI to heal 10. Dreams 11. My faith in love and in God The sooner you get away, the more you can save...
Apr 25 - 6AM (Reply to #2)
Hunter
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I couldn't have said it

I couldn't have said it better myself. You've been reading here for one year and you are still trying to reason with the unreasonable, Why? All there hear is BLAH, BLAH,BLAH, Hunter