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#1 Sep 12 - 8PM
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My assessment

Spent a good portion of the day reading 'Women Who Love Psychopaths'!

I must admit I was primarily interested in the victims, their characteristics and why each of us stayed sooooo long and endured such a toxic and unhealthy relationship. I got a bit scared half way through the reading thinking OH MY GOD, I am a PSYCHOPATH. Only later after reading more came to the full understanding my view on love, trust, intimacy, has become very damaged, this is what I am left with to untangle and deprogram. I was never made aware of that, I knew I had suffered damage and as good as my counselor was Sandra Brown gave me more clarity on not only the damage that is done to us but WHY we attracted personality disordered individuals.

I never saw myself as an extrovert, although before I met my freak I had worked on breaking out of my shyness, although being shy is also something the psycho works with too. ADHD is something that is apart of my history unfortunately, constantly had to battle with during my childhood, problems focusing in school, I was even on ritalin for a short period of time.

I must admit the hitch for me with my freak was the intrigue of excitement, all of which Sandra explains in the book, there are many traits in my character that are a prime attraction for a con man, which doesn't make me a bad person, stupid, or naive but just more inclined to fall under the spell of a swindler and love thief.

Should I now presume to think I need to change what and who I am so I don't fall victim to people who suffer this deformity? Should I not be giving, trusting, caring, extroverted, easily bored at times? Maybe I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time in that period of my life and was in his path? I was hurting, and broken and I came across 4% of the population that make up these people, how unlucky statistically can one get? I survived 40 some years without this mishap and seem to attract relatively normal, healthy people in my life.

I don't think Sandra Brown in anyway implies it was the victims fault in any sense but only what characteristics in their prey that seems to attract these individuals. I find my attributes and character not detrimental to me personally, in fact for the most part I am thankful I posses many good qualities. The very qualities that disordered individuals hone in on and target, are we more easily seduced, enticed, swindled, conned, and taken for a long ride because we have an endless supply of understanding?

Its sad I can not turn to my dearest friend and in a way that's good because I want to keep her as my dearest friend, so we are forced to seek others who have experienced this, because NOBODY who has never experienced this can understand what a relationship is like with a pathological. Months ago my friend and I drove by his newly erected home she drove of course and I hid under the seat, guess I just had to see this million dollar estate, as we drove away she said she was shaking and never wanted to go near the place again knowing such a deformed person lives there.

I never thought about it like that -- I had been so brainwashed in this man's sick world that it was like a kick in the face how he appears to others that were not under his spell.

Wonder what she would have done if a psychopath entered her life after the intense sexual and emotional bonding? She was never broken, and lost as I was when the man entered my life. I know that now why I fell so hard and why I was under such a deep deep spell.

The book was very good and I am going to read it again I would like to send him a copy, oh look someone wrote a book about you, (just kidding)

I can see why some women would live a life of solitude after going thru something like this, because that is what I have been doing the past year, isolating myself trying to understand what happened to me, and that is a full time exhausting job, IMHO extracting myself from their intense spell and brainwashing is the key to recovery and knowing thyself is the second key.

Sep 14 - 7PM
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Solitude

Cynthia -- Solitude is the best thing you can do for yourself to recover from the N. I spent a year and half figuring myself out after dancing with the devil. I kept a journal, came up with my own boundaries and determined all the traits I desired in a companion, should I ever cross that road again. I realize now that I don't have to beat myself up for being kind, considerate, giving people the benefit of the doubt and having empathy for others. We are the good ones, not the Ns who pass themselves off as humans. Shame on the Ns who so callously and cruelly take advantage of those who are giving, who are human! The blame is on their shoulders, not ours. Good luck to you. I know very well the strong trance they put their victims under!
Sep 12 - 11PM
Barbara (not verified)
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great assessment

As one of the 75 women interviewed for that book, Sandra is DEFINITELY not saying there is something wrong with any of our traits nor that we need to change in any way other than one: Realize that evil exists in the world and look at how someone is running the relationship for RED FLAGS since these predators ARE attracted by everything that is good about us. These guys are on the hunt 24/7. You don't have to have ALL the traits of the victims, those were just the ones that stood out. For example, I have seen pathologicals go after shy women... like with Narcs, they and we don't have to have ALL the traits. Pathologicals always exploit something GOOD & DECENT in us. And we should NOT CHANGE because they WANT us to be broken. No! I will never date again... my PTSD is too profound after an N mother, N boyfriends, 2 sociopath boyfriends, N bosses galore and an exNH. Not for me. Sandra's new InPatient Program for victims? I believe its only been open 2-3 months and already she's got a LONG waiting list. Sheesh! However, I NO LONGER CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME and I enforce my boundaries NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I GET CALLED BITCH. There is no reason for me to have the 'disease to please' anymore and I am teaching that to my children as well. Since Sandra says in her forward that book covers Narcs as well, I consider it an absolute MUST READ for every woman over the age of 16. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 14 - 10AM (Reply to #6)
cynthia (not verified)
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more thoughts to share

Sandra spoke of their tactics, they seduce, charm, brainwash, etc... I can see now why I was so fixated on our sexual encounters, sometimes I truly believe I hung on so long just to experience that again with him because he never gave me anything else, NOTHING, no nice dinners, no outings, oh one time we took a nice ride in the country anyway so what possible reason would I have to even stay in touch with such a person. The strange part is I wasnt looking for sex and I ended up having a MILD sexual addiction to this man, which I am completely over but I know if I ever saw him again it would be triggered again. It was during the sex he did most of his suggestive brainwashing, not just the dirty talk but comments like I bet nobody has ever made you feel this good have they, etc... and the sex was animalistic as one woman described. My counselor once said, he released your sexuality and that is a powerful powerful tool he used. It is during the honeymoon phase in which they work very hard to secure their victims, they feel they no longer need to keep us in the honeymoon stage once they have us hooked, addicted, and have gained our trust and devotion, because we will always want them to give us more of the pretend man that is why I think I hung around so long, they give us a lethal dose of euphoria so we stay around and put up with their behavior. It stated in the book they dont necessarily study this but it comes naturally to them because they have been doing it to everyone their whole life and not just sexually but in other ways, they may play the hero for the family who thinks they are just wonderful, he lets his elderly father live in the basement of his home while behind his back he calls him a f---ing idiot. Behind my back he probably calls me a stupid c--t, and I really dont concern myself with that anymore what he thinks of me I am more concerned with extracting myself in my mind and my thoughts what I found so fascinating about this evil man. knowing about their pathology and understanding what we are dealing with does help but isnt it strange we all still struggle with NC, getting this person out of our heads and thoughts when we should be running so fast? I am not under his spell anymore I am starting to feel good about myself I am not running around trying to change this man, or trying to win his love, I struggle with the AFTERMATH, the damage that was done to me, the dreams of abandonment I have. Its less painful when we choose to stay under their spell and ignore the truth, its when we face the hard and bitter truth of their deformity is when the pain kicks in, goodbye dream man, goodbye to someone who made me feel so alive. What do we need to do to feel alive again in a healthy way? We shouldnt need anyone in our lives to make us feel that way, normal partner or deformed, I struggle with this concept, I cant seem to find it within myself in the aftermath. He once told me he wasnt into the touchy feely shit, the kumbaya, you know that song we always sang around campfires, I cant spell it, I told him maybe you NEED to incorporate a little kumbaya in your life it might make you more human, I offered to sing the song to him, he laughed and said, I bet you could teach me alot huh? That is about as close as I ever got to having a heart to heart, They are so blocked off from feelings and emotions they are soooo deformed. "Someone's crying Lord Cumbaya". he will never know or care how I cried, he doesnt have the capacity and no matter what he ever did to me, or how he destroyed me that is a fact that is very very sad.
Sep 13 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
cynthia (not verified)
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Thank you

i have been walking around since I read the book rather stunned, especially reading the example stories in her book of the 4 women who shared their experience. Every act of intimacy and tenderness was just that an act, all of it, there was NOTHING that we shared that was REAL, oh what I felt was real but he felt NOTHING. Someone once described what betrayal felt like it was something like, I LOST MY EAST AND MY WEST, I LOST MY FUTURE AND MY PAST - AND YES we certainly did lose dreams of our future and they also took away our past too; much of what we were and what we once believed in. In her book I realized there is almost a psychological reason for all their actions, and it explained so well how someone like me could get caught up with such a disturbed person, I was once a decent person, I dont feel that way anymore and I should why should I allow him to take that away from me as well. He did all the things she described, using others to help brainwash me, mainly his GF, his accomplices, and they have many they pit against each other and we dont even know it. The book upset me it touched for the first time what this man did to me and FINALLY a professional who fully understands their behavior and why they do it. I did realize somethng, I AM A VERY COMPETITIVE person, and that is not good with a psycho narc because there is no winning in their game, I am strong headed too that is also bad when you are up against a psycho, unless we are mentally deformed as they are its no match for them, they are simply amused by us. Its best to let them go to the life they have always known, let them go to games with the rest of humanity I cant stop him from hurting anyone else, but I can stop him from hurting me any further. I thank God above I never lived in the same city although I was still damaged by his actions, the victims that are under his wing and close by are even deeper into his sick world and will have a hole deeper to dig out of. I can be thankful for that much. If I endured the damage I did from long distance, I CAN NOT IMAGINE what the damage is to the victims who lives with him part time. I read once if you are living next door to one of these creatures dont even borrow a cup of sugar from them! NOW I SEE WHY.
Sep 14 - 4PM (Reply to #3)
dolce (not verified)
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the psycho downstairs

When my husband first abandoned me, i was a wreck. There was this old man downstairs who had parkinsons disease. He would come upstairs and ask for favors. I helped him, like a decent neighbor. He found out about my husband leaving and said if there is anything I need, please ask. So one day I needed a ride and I did ask. Well!! After that this old man wouldn't let go! He'd call me constantly and ask why I wasnt picking up the phone. He left gifts at my door. Money. He had noticed a wounded person (me) and went straight in to take advantage. He told me he wanted to be with me. He thought we would make a perfect couple. Why shouldnt we room together? I told him twice to get all of that out of his head. That we were friends. He even asked for a referral to my doctor and my doctor had to warn me about him. That he was trying to get info about me. The doctor called him a user. So this old man has to go to the hospital for 2 weeks and when he gets back he comes pounding at my door. He is in a rage that I didnt go visit him. The beginning of this I was thinking that he was just an innocent old man. But young psychos turn into old psychos! I cant tell you how many times I yelled at him to leave me alone and said I would get an order of protection. Weeks will go by, but he tries again. Now I dont look at him or answer him. This is not my normal mode of behavior but I've had it with creepy people, users, N's, sickos! I wrote this comment after Cynthia said dont even borrow a cup of sugar from these types. And shes right. So now, while I'm healing, I am very careful of who I let see me in pain. And like Barbara, I've had enough. I wont ever get involved with anyone again. I just need my girlfriends, sons. That's it. I'll make a life around them.
Sep 14 - 11PM (Reply to #4)
cynthia (not verified)
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I agree

If there is a psycho around they hone in on wounded and hurt prey thats for sure, good warning to be careful who's shoulder you cry on, there are sick and weird people all around us, cant even trust a 70 year old man you cant trust anybody, neighbor, NOBODY. I hate to hear from anyone they will never want a relationship with anyone again, although I feel that way too I just want to be left alone I have my children and my friends putting myself out there dating strangers is something I WILL NEVER NEVER DO, maybe one day I could date but only thru someone else a close friend who knew them prior. As for going online to the date site, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING, never never in a million years, these people arent screened by professionals, they dont know a psycho from another, I wont put myself on the meat market to be butchered.
Sep 15 - 6AM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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you're right

Statistics have shown online dating to be CRAWLING with Ns, Ps and outright predators. My PTSD is too severe for me to even consider dating again. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck