Methods of Pathological Manipulation & Deception

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Methods of Pathological Manipulation & Deception

Psychopaths, also known as sociopaths, comprise 20-25% of the prison population, but 50% of those who have committed serious crimes. However, the majority of psychopaths are not violent — most are users, scam artists and shady businesspeople. There is some evidence that psychopaths may be overrepresented in the fields of business, politics and entertainment.

Then there are Narcissists... just a lower level on the spectrum of Pathology to which Psychopaths belong.

Targeting the Vulnerable
Psychopaths or Narcissists are good at spotting exploitable vulnerabilities in others. Many pathologcical scam artists seek lonely individuals and promise them a lifetime of love and partnership. Others target the grief-stricken or those who have suffered a recent setback or breakup and are therefore less apt to look closely at what appears to be a compassionate helping hand.

Alternatively, Psychopaths or Narcissists may exploit someone’s need to be needed, finding a motherly or fatherly soul that they can milk for sympathy and cash. They are also inclined to marry people with low self-esteem and convince them that they are somehow to blame for any abuse they suffer in the marriage.

The Sympathy Ploy
Psychopaths or Narcissists usually play on the sympathies of others. When people’s empathic responses are aroused, they are less inclined to scrutinize an individual’s behaviour, or they will attribute bad behaviour to an abusive childhood or other trauma. This provokes the sort of nurturing response that enables the pathological to manipulate and extract what he wants from others.

While often appearing cold and deadpan, when they are trying to manipulate others, pathologicals often engage in dramatic, short-lived emotional displays designed to provoke sympathy or guilt, or even cause people to believe that they must be crazy for questioning the pathological’s motives.

Psychopaths or Narcissists say whatever will get people to give them what they want. Many work hard to give the impression that all of their problems stem from cruel treatment at the hands of others, and that they could change for the better if only some kindly soul would take an interest in them and support them.

They usually reward these people by breaking their hearts and cleaning out their bank accounts, as well as ...abusing them ...

The Dynamic Persona
The pathological can be an exciting companion at first because he takes risks that others wouldn’t take and thus can appear courageous and impressive. Psychopaths or Narcissists often pose as brilliant eccentrics, misunderstood geniuses or difficult artistic types, and so people are inclined to attribute bad behaviour to a creative temperament.

Self-assured, cool under pressure and socially adept, they may appear larger than life. Their tendency to maintain intensive eye contact and move into the personal space of others enhances the image of forcefulness and confidence.

Because many pathologicals have a surplus of charm and the gift of gab, they are able to dazzle their audiences and con them into believing all sorts of outrageous stories. Excellent self-promoters and fast talkers, they boast and dazzle their targets with a variety of grandiose plans.

The target usually experiences a wild ride and is left disappointed, financially poorer and wondering how everything the pathological said could have seemed so plausible at the time.

The Flatterer
In "The Miser", Moliere noted that “People can be induced to swallow anything, provided it is sufficiently seasoned with praise.” A common tool of the pathological is excessive flattery (or saying "I love you"). Most people enjoy receiving compliments, and those who suffer from either low self-esteem ...can be particularly vulnerable to this sort of approach.

Beware of those who tell you everything you want to hear all the time. A compliment or two is nice, but someone who continually peppers the conversation with flattery should be suspect.

Excuses and Empty Promises
A pathological does not keep his commitments or obligations. He breaks his word, stands people up, abandons those who care about him at critical times in their lives, cheats with impunity, and makes promises he has no intention of delivering on to get what he wants.

Psychopaths or Narcissists may disappear and reappear in the lives of friends and family, causing worry and heartbreak, without ever adequately explaining what they’ve been up to. However, they always have excuses, and it is always someone else’s fault.

Psychopaths and Narcissists abandon their partners, spouses and children without the slightest concern. And while many don’t commit crimes for which they can be convicted, they often live what could be termed as a sub-criminal existence, engaging in a variety of secretive and shady dealings.

When they do achieve success, it is usually through causing harm to others. Their lack of commitment to anything is evident in the many contradictory and hollow statements they make.

However, they hang onto the people in their lives by promising to change, or even changing, briefly, only to revert back to their old ways in time.

Nov 24 - 12PM
The Girlfriend ...
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Thank you Barbara for this excellent post/info

Thank you so much for the very informative post contributions you make here in this forum Barbara. The post above is excellent...wish I knew then all the things I know now... ...if only...! I would have left him long before he was able to cause any damage...
Nov 24 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
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To the Girlfriend

I agree a brilliant posting, however I bet if you had read this before you had been in a relationship with one of these individuals it would have made as much sense as a foreign language, or a fairy tale. It makes perfect sense to us because we have lived the life and we know only too well this is what they are like, however I bet people who have never been there would have a hard time grasping it, however plainly it is written.
Nov 24 - 6AM
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Methods of Pathological Manipulation & Deception

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem
Oct 3 - 10AM
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This is very clear and

This is very clear and helpful. I am watching a situation involving eye contact, and personal presentation that is fascinating. I was a reference for a young man, 24, who I knew and who was applying for a job in a business where I knew the manager. the manager hired him right away and said he was the best candidate he ever interviewed. The manager mentioned his great eye contact during the interview and his ability to answer questions clearly. the young man was well liked, the job suited him, and all was a success. In 6 weeks he just walked off the job. Subsequently he has had 3 jobs all in the food service industry, got the jobs right away, did well and walked off all 3 in about 6 weeks. At this rate he will run out of employers he hasn't burned. He feels no guilt, no embarassment and called me repeatedly to be a reference for him again.This is a young man from a very poor family and he needs the money. The manager, who was a manager for the Four Seasons Hotel Chain, is no dummy and he beleives he and his staff did something that made this kid walk away. he never resigned he just didn't show up for his shift and never returned. this young man is handsome, smart, bi-lingual, but can't maintain relationships or jobs. he fits the profile perfectly.I am writing down the posting so I can give it to the manager and put his fears to rest that he, somehow, was responsible for the employee leaving the job.
Oct 1 - 11PM
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manipulation & deception

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Oct 2 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
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If I just had this one

If I just had this one article, I would have had a very clear picture of who I had married. This post has it all. Thank you so much, Barbara. The farther I get from this experience, the clearer the picture gets. While it was going on, my gut was reacting all over the place, but I didnt have the information to make sense out of it all. This is why I feel it's important that victims of this crime do not blame themselves. No one says "here is a person that will bring me pain like I've never known and will destroy everything I hold dear- then agrees by saying "give me some of that!" No. It's a hit and run and sometimes the N will back up and run us over again and again. Our job is to learn about them and what we can do to defend ourselves. Something this site does that I've found nowhere else on the internet. I am eternallly thankful for this site and all it's members :)
Nov 24 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
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4joys

I so totally agree about the picture getting clearer the more distance you get and I absolutely love the anlogy of 'hit and run' and then backing up to run over us again - how true.
Oct 3 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
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So true

My mind is whizzing as i go in and out of denial. I can't really explain. It's crazy. The self blame is so strong. I'm just realising now that all is such a shock cos i never knew my ex lied. I've taken everything he said about his life to be true. I have asked him loads over the past few years and he had an answer for everything. Now i need to think that he was lying. Maybe he didn't leave the police force cos he wanted more fun instead of working night shifts. maybe they wanted him to leave. Maybe it was his son in his first marriage and he made it up that his first wife told him it wasn't his baby. Maybe he has physically abused them and i never knew. It may explain why i was hypersensitive to violence and didn't know why i felt like i needed to protect myself. The hit and run scenario is so true. I have figured that i was already knocked over before my ex came along. In fact he was watching for a long time before he revved his engine.
Oct 3 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
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predators ALWAYS hunt the wounded

we've all been there - but you must continue to be BRUTALLY HONEST WITH YOURSELF!!! BRUTALLY HONEST!! http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/20/cognitive-dissonance-obsessional-thoughts more: "The salesman that he is, he will re-label her feelings, put a spin on the situation that benefits him, and throw her words back at her. While he might not emotionally understand or empathize with her words, he can still distort and recycle them into something else. As she brings up the need to be heard or tries harder to explain her emotions, the pathological washes her communication through one of the dichotomies or his own “wounded-ness.” Looking for a trap door that allows him to stop the dialogue about something he can’t fake understanding, he will use anything to dismiss the conversation. Additionally, many pathologicals are sadistic. Her pain is his pleasure, or maybe even erotic to him. Watching her in pain about the inability to communicate with him is no doubt pleasurable to him. What he may truly be able to understand, he may pretend otherwise, to keep the communication problems ongoing, and keep her upset. The pathological spent a lot of time in the luring phase establishing trust with her. That’s not hard to do because the women are prone to trusting before it is earned or validated. He may have told stories about his own trustworthiness or performed trustworthy actions to cement her trust in him early on. This became the foundation off which he could constantly refer to himself as trustworthy while doing everything that proves he is untrustworthy. Since positive emotional memories are easier to access, she is more likely to remember the things she trusts about him than the things she begins to distrust. Although she may have a nagging feeling he is violating her trust in some area, the pathological is likely to spin it as a problem with her paranoia, her own emotional issues, or another reason he uses to abandon the relationship. The dichotomy produces in her a conflict between trusting her gut or trusting her memories. In the early part of the relationship, she will trust her memories of him. Only much later, if ever, will she begin to trust her gut. Interestingly, because of the woman’s high trust trait, she will even trust the pathological’s explanation when she has caught him red-handed. It could be in bed with someone else, swindling her money, or another horrendous lie. When prompted to choose between trusting what she just saw or found out, or trusting the explanation given by the pathological, many of the women trust the pathological and discount the truth of what they learned. ****“I opened the door and saw him in bed with another woman. By the end of the evening, I wasn’t sure I had seen it at all! He didn’t convince me that it meant nothing—he convinced me it didn’t happen and there was no one in the bed with him! It took me forever to learn to trust my own perceptions. When you think you are going crazy, it’s easy to rely on someone else’s version of reality. It wasn’t the issue of reality I now see… it was the issue of truth.”**** This conflict between trusting what she uncovers or trusting his explanations will be repeated many times before the ending of the relationship. The pathological is also likely to play mind-games with her about the trust and distrust issues. Even if she catches him, he is likely to allege she didn’t see what she saw, didn’t read what she read, and didn’t hear what she heard. Blatant attempts at restructuring her reality are not beyond the pathological, and is a well used method by him. Overtime, this erodes her ability to do her own reality testing of what is actually in front of her and plays with her mind in ways that makes her think she is losing her mind. And as a last ditch pitch, the pathological will also threaten that if she can’t trust him (even in the face of catching him red-handed) then he might as well pack up and go — his convenient threat of abandoning is always present. Sandra Brown, MA - WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Oct 4 - 6AM (Reply to #5)
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Oh. This was almost too

Oh. This was almost too painful to read. Every time I caught him with other women, he twisted reality. Soon, like this article states, I didn't know which way was up or down. And it was this twisting of reality that had me so confused in the end. Even now. Once in awhile I will ask myself if something truly happened even though I know it did. These wounds go deep. It takes time to heal.
Nov 24 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
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ditto

Ditto. What more can I say. I have been there too. The article above is like going through the journey of my relationship. A few years ago I saw a really good role play performed at a DV conference. Two women sat at the front on chairs facing each other. It was so simple but demonsrated the distorted reality so well. One woman had a pen. It was clearly green. She said to the other woman, 'say this pen is red'. The other women laughed and said, 'it isn't red, it's green'. 'Yes, but just say it's red'. This went on for ages and in the end the woman gave in, 'ok it's red.' You could see from the body language she gave in because she was fed up with the game. As an audience you could think at this point she was just doing it for a quiet life, however it continued. The woman with the pen said, 'ok now you have agreed with me that the pen is red you can have it'. She handed it over. The other woman smiled. Then the first woman said, 'give me my pen' and the woman who had just been given the pen said, 'no, you just gave me the pen because I agreed with you the pen is red'. 'Well it isn't, it's green, are you mad?' The other woman started defending herself and said, 'you just made me say the pen is red'. 'I didn't make you say anything, give me my pen'. And so it went on...........