Managing Obsessive Thoughts

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#1 Jul 27 - 9PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Managing Obsessive Thoughts

We all want to stop thinking about him, right? We want to stop obsessing, but we don't know how. We cannot erase the Narcissist from our brain. It is not possible. However, we can retrain our brain.

You will have thoughts in the future about your ex that you'd rather not have. You cannot control thoughts that come to mind. Memory is memory. Once created, it cannot be erased.

However, the good news is you CAN control HOW you will respond to the thoughts that pop into your head and that is the key to reducing your obsessive thoughts.

Everyone gets unwanted, intrusive thoughts. Yes, everyone! The difference is people who have not been brainwashed or suffer from OCD do not over-analyze these thoughts or judge these thoughts. They let them roll-off of them. Many just laugh and say, "Ha, what a strange thought" and then move on.

Unfortunately, we don't do that because we are stuck in Cognitive Dissonance and over-analyze and obsess about every little thought. The key is not to judge our thoughts or give them any weight. The minute you judge a thought, you give it more power.

Smart people are extremely creative and imaginative. As we've been talking about in another thread, I believe that we are all very intelligent people. Therefore, all kinds of thoughts and images will pop into our creative minds. The important thing to remember is a thought is a thought. That's it. You need not over-analyze it or judge it.

Exposure Response Prevention is what we will do in Step 7 of our program when we Face Our Fears. We will expose ourselves to our fears, but then prevent ourselves from responding in our typical compulsive way.

You see, Obsessive thoughts are a result of anxiety and Compulsions are what we do to try to reduce the anxiety. i.e. Obsessive-Compulsive Behavior.

Unfortunately, we think engaging in a compulsive behavior will lessen the anxiety, and it might initially, but it is only temporary. In fact, it only increases the anxiety in the long run. Why? Because responding to the anxiety or obsessive thought in any way, shape or form only intensifies it. It validates it. Do not validate the thoughts.

You can observe the thoughts, but do not judge. Do not try to wish the thoughts away because, believe me, that will only make you think of them more. Do not fight your thoughts. To do so creates major Cognitive Dissonance, which only creates more obsessive thought. Allow your thoughts to happen, but do not validate or judge them in any way. Laugh at the thoughts, dismiss them, talk back to them as if they are an unwanted intruder in your mind.

You must realize that these thoughts do not define you and are not a part of you. They are simply thoughts. Look at the obsessive thoughts as a separate entity and you will be able to distance yourself from them, believe me. I call my obsessive thought patterns "The Tormentor" and I talk back to "The Tormentor" when it tries to engage me. No joke.

Oh, and engage me it tries, quite often. I have learned that this is ok. The thoughts will always come. We have no control over that. Do not fight that. If you fight that, you're only setting yourself up for failure. It's like telling people not to look at the white elephant in the room. Everyone is going to look, right? Instead, you do not fight the thoughts or tell yourself not to think of him. You simply control how you respond to the thoughts when they do occur.

We will always have intrusive, unwanted thoughts. Everyone does! The good news is that we have a choice in how we want to respond to these thoughts.

Life is not about what happens to us, it's about how we respond to what happens to us. For me, the key is this:

I will always have intrusive, unwanted thoughts. I cannot control this. However, I can choose whether I want to engage with the thoughts and give them power or see them for what they really are - white noise that tries to distract me from living in the moment.

The key to recovery is understanding that you CAN control HOW you will respond to your thoughts. And that is what makes all the difference in the world for your sanity. By engaging with the thoughts, you only increase the power of the anxiety and fear you are trying to avoid. Tell it to fu*k off and dismiss it. It may sound silly, but trust me, it works.

Practicing this (aka Exposure Response Prevention) has helped me tremendously. I finally have peace of mind I never thought was possible. Again, the thoughts still come, but by choosing HOW I will respond to these thoughts, I have reduced the power and the hold they have over me.

They are only thoughts after all. Thoughts cannot hurt me, but how I respond to my thoughts can hurt me. Being paralyzed with anxiety over thoughts is no way to live life. It prohibits us from enjoying the moment and living life to its fullest.

Jul 28 - 9AM
Aliveagain
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Some great books: Women who

Some great books: Women who think too much Unravel your anxiety before it unravels you The nice girl syndrome The worry cure FANTASTIC books.
Jul 28 - 8AM
smileyfacepr
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Great thread!!

I find myself obsessed w/sexual thoughts of him, our sex life was fantastic and I cant get these thoughts outta my head and when I think he might be sharing himself w/someone else just kills me!! I dont want to observe these thought, I dont want to have them and I cant ignore them!! What do I do w/this 1 ??? xoxo

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Jul 28 - 9AM (Reply to #19)
aceonelady
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Same here smiley facepr

Me,i just had sex with him twice but i cannot get these thoughts out of my head,and i can't understand why he is soooo sexual atractive to me...i am 54 years old had a very full life,met a lot of men was married for 28 years but this guy got me like i never been gotten before...and he is overweight,has erectyle disfunction,is financially broke ,but i feel a incredible connection with him that i do not know ,he really does something to me ,sometimes i really do think i am going insane...I want him out of my head and body...How do i stop this?

Aceonelady

Jul 28 - 10AM (Reply to #20)
Aliveagain
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Read below! Really practice

Read below! Really practice it and you will achieve results. I too know EXACTLY what you mean. It ridiculous. Apparently most P have ridiculous sex-drives due to high testosterone - which is kind of how I got hooked to begin with...I loved his "dominance". Mine wasn't even very good looking and the fiancee I had before him was gorgeous. It's not you. Just think about all those women that love those guys in prison or who have been abducted by them...Stockholm Syndrome! Besides, the mind games they play keep you so highly sexualised its impossible not to fantasise endlessly.
Jul 28 - 2PM (Reply to #21)
smileyfacepr
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aceonelady and Aliveagain

aceonlady, I dont know what he did to u but I think he just left u desiring more, u just want more..how did that work w/erectile dysfunction?? AliveagainMine was very good looking 15 yrs older than me though and I was the one w/the high sex drive, he would ask "do u wanna kill me" lol...I could not get enough from him, our sex was so fabulous! I know its not about the looks, I truly truly loved him and just was so emotionally and physically into him, I wanted to eat him up..lmao..but so true!! I cant believe it myself,that I felt that way about anyone!! I hope I can just forget about him 1 day SOON!! xoxoxo

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Jul 28 - 9AM (Reply to #13)
Aliveagain
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Oh God, this was what my

Oh God, this was what my thoughts were almost SOLELY about. I have never had a lover like him. He was unbelievable. It's such a shame. I PROMISE you though, it will resolve itself, slowly! I just follow the same pattern I do for other things related to my thoughts post break up (God it is so frustrating that someone else can create this stuff in you!) I tell myself I can have those thoughts if I want, I tell myself those thoughts are normal and okay to have but that they don't MEAN anything. If I find myself becoming aroused by those thoughts I tell myself that the feelings are JUST feelings and they don't mean anything either. I've stopped labeling them as good or bad...and just "are"..seriously with practice its made it SO much better!
Jul 28 - 9AM (Reply to #18)
aceonelady
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Also aroused

Yep,now when i get like this,i just allow myself to feel it,but what kills me is not knowing if he has somebody,i really do not think he has because he was very into porn and he did help himself,he said is faster,easier and that porn do not talk back.....He is NC on me...

Aceonelady

Jul 28 - 9AM (Reply to #14)
smileyfacepr
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aliveagain

tahnk u for that...I wish I was getting aroused..lol it just makes me sad cause I still have such a deep desire for him sexually! I keep telling myself ,he is almost 60 and has a bad back..he wont be able to get it up that much longer, I sont know if thats bad or good..I just dont want him w/anyone else, I suppose it helps that I dont know for sure if hes alone or not! I just dont want to have this desire for him, and I desire no other! xoxo

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Jul 28 - 9AM (Reply to #15)
Aliveagain
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Bloody brain chemicals! It's

Bloody brain chemicals! It's called pair-bonding. Google it. Having it systematically laid out makes it so much less "magical" too and so much more rational. How long were you seeing him? It eventually fades, promise. Really hard in the beginning. I think I went through withdrawal when I left mine - sexually/emotionally. But your brains chemistry will return to normal..or even better you'll find a replacement.
Jul 28 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
smileyfacepr
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aliveagain

We lived together for 7 yrs and I loved him evrysinge second of everyday..even when I wasnt happy! Im gonna look up that pair-bonding! Thanks xoxo

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Jul 28 - 7PM (Reply to #17)
Aliveagain
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Read the bit under "love me,

Read the bit under "love me, love me do" and remember...this stuff is far stronger for us because of all the MINDFKNG these guys pull which creates this addiction. http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/love-science.html
Jul 28 - 5AM
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This is very much the nature

This is very much the nature of meditation. Not to fight the ego mind. Not to distort the prviate more subtle conversation with 'peace' by accepting challenges from our 'internal battles'. But the key is to observe and witness the minds eye as it speak to us. It is to see the ego rise up and fade away without any commitment to that internal diolgue. SO i think the more I used to meditate, the more I could use this as a method of day to day living. The more out of touch I have become with my spirit in recent years, then the less I can deal with my ego mind. But yes, thoughts only hurt us because we let them. Thoughts are the illness's and diseases that manifest in our physical bodies. From the shame we fail to recognise which causes a cycle of even more intrusive thoughts and this in turns erodes our sense of self. physcally, emotionally and mentally. My best freiend is in a hospital for people with severe OCD and BDD, her thoughts about her self were literally controlling her and destroying her. I hope she finds healing. I wish she had been able to reach out more to herself to her own truth.. she is very attractive lovely girl but she just cant see it. SO I think ths is great Lisa. Ity rings true in every way for me right now. thanks so much for this 'healing thought' V x
Jul 28 - 5AM (Reply to #11)
Lisa E. Scott
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Vix

You're welcome! Thank YOU for sharing your insight on this. I couldn't agree with you more! "This is very much the nature of meditation. Not to fight the ego mind. Not to distort the private more subtle conversation with 'peace' by accepting challenges from our 'internal battles'. But the key is to observe and witness the minds eye as it speak to us. It is to see the ego rise up and fade away without any commitment to that internal diolgue." This is EXACTLY what we must learn to do again and meditation is great way of learning to BE with our feelings. I'm so sorry about your best friend. I know how obsessive thoughts can take over your life. I almost went to the hospital a second time after my divorce because I could no longer function as a result of my OCD. I hope she gets well soon and finds some relief. I'm glad she has you as a friend. :) xoxo
Jul 27 - 9PM
Kelly
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Lisa

Thanks for posting this. It's something I struggle with. I try not to think about him and what happened and I only succeed in feeling bad about thinking about him and feeling disappointed at myself for still having thoughts of him. . . A lot of it is judging your thoughts isn't it? And I have compulsions. They never really make me feel better, but I end up stuck in them.
Jul 27 - 11PM (Reply to #2)
Lisa E. Scott
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Kelly

Yes, don't judge your thoughts! That took me a LONG time to figure out. Do not judge, merely observe and let them pass over you as if you were a spectator. YOU are not defined by your thoughts. Thoughts are random. You cannot control them. Don't fight them. It's when you fight them that you get stuck. Compulsions never work. We think they help with the anxiety, but they only make it worse. When retraining your brain, you must not get upset if you relapse and indulge in a typical compulsion. It's inevitable. Remember, It's not perfection, it's progress. Perfection is impossible and to expect it only sets us up for failure. Try to prevent yourself from responding compulsively, but if it happens, don't let it set you back. It's not the end. We don't have to start all over again. We need to start learning to "live in the grey" as my therapist would say. We think too much in terms of black and white, all or nothing, good or bad. Grey is ok. Nothing is black or white in reality. Life is messy and cannot be controlled. The sooner we accept that, the better. OCD is an exhausting disorder because we try to create certainty where there is none. What in life is certain? Nothing, right? It may be hard to accept, but think about it. The old cliche "There are only two things in life that are certain- death and taxes" is famous because it's true. It's reality. The sooner we accept what we cannot control and have the courage to change the things we can control (i.e. The Serenity Prayer), the sooner we begin to live life to its fullest. Point is, if we relapse, it's not over. We shouldn't throw our hands in the air and make it worse by indulging in our compusions and acting in a self-desructive way. This is where we have a CHOICE. Here is where we CHOOSE HOW we want to respond to life. Instead of self-sabotaging, we must get ourselves back on the wagon and keep going. You have to keep working at something to get better at it, right? Practice makes perfect, right? Ha, not really because nothing and no one in life is perfect, as we have clearly established, but you get my point, I hope. :) Be patient with yourself. We are retraining our brains. It is not going to happen overnight. It's about progress, not perfection. xoxo
Jul 28 - 1AM (Reply to #3)
Kelly
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Compulsions

It's really strange when I start to feel one coming on. It's so difficult to stop myself. I get caught in what I call a loop. I'll do the same thing over and over again and sometimes I can paralyze myself that way for literally hours! For the most part, I can live a normal life, but it happens when my anxiety is up and I usually give in. I over think things, replaying the same negative experience over and over again in my head. I'll do something repetitive - like type the same thing over and over again on a google search or check my email over and over. I'll re-read an email I had already sent over and over again. . . Thanks so much this post. I'm going to talk about this with my therapist on our next session. I was recently diagnosed with generalized anxiety, so this is all very helpful.
Jul 28 - 4AM (Reply to #4)
Aliveagain
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So funny, I didnt realise

So funny, I didnt realise that by re-reading emails I was actually involved in compulsive behaviour. I have been stuck doing that for hours and hours too and endless thinking. My friend recently said to me "start DOING", since then I've been better. Lisa, this is so true: Don't fight them. It's when you fight them that you get stuck. Initially after I left the N I got so scared of the repetitive nature of my thoughts I thought "he's right, I'm completely mental " and I fought so hard to not think about things. It made it a million times worse, I wasted hours of my life. Suddenly realistions that feelings were feelings and thoughts were thoughts dawned on me. I wish I didn't analyse them when they popped into my head but I'm learning to get better at it. I've often wondered if the N has these same issues, too? I wonder if they thought-spin, mine was so paranoid I consider it highly likely.
Jul 28 - 5AM (Reply to #8)
Lisa E. Scott
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Aliveagain

Absolutely.... "I've often wondered if the N has these same issues, too? I wonder if they thought-spin, mine was so paranoid I consider it highly likely." NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) is often diagnosed with other mental health disorders (such as OCD and Bi-Polar disorder). This is called "co-morbidity". Substance abuse and other impulsive behaviors often accompany NPD and this is called "dual diagnosis". My EXNH had both OCD and Bi-Polar disorder. As Sam Vaknin explains, "Many narcissists are paranoids. They are afraid of people and of what people might do to them. Think about it. If your very life depended continually on the goodwill of others, wouldn't you be scared? The narcissist's very life depends on others providing him with narcissistic supply. He becomes suicidal if they stop doing so. To counter this overwhelming feeling of helplessness (=dependence on narcissistic supply), the narcissist becomes a control freak. He sadistically manipulates others to satisfy his needs. He derives pleasure from the utter subjugation of his human environment." Ok, now it's very important to understand this, if you ask me. Everyone asks if spending our lives with a narcissist makes us a narcissist ourselves. I do not believe so, however, I do believe we begin to adopt certain behaviors and coping strategies of a narcissist as a result of living with them. As long as we stay in a relationship with an abusive narcissist, we are lying to ourselves about our reality and our feelings. We are telling ourselves everything is ok, even when it's not. How does one do this for years? They adopt coping strategies to avoid having to really feel, right? Isn't this how a narcissist lives his life? He has mastered the ability to avoid feeling. That's where we're all at right now. We have learned very well from our narcissist how to avoid having to feel. We must stop ourselves and realize that we have the ability to feel. Celebrate the fact that you have decided to face reality and wake up. You are no longer lying to yourself that this relationship is ok so you need not lie to yourself or deny how you truly feel anymore. Feel your feelings. It's ok to be mad, angry and sad. Remember, we have the ability to feel. They don't. They tried to take that ability from us, but they can't. We can retrain our brains from their brainwashing and begin to feel again. I'm not suggesting they give us OCD. I have had OCD my entire life. In fact, it's something my EXNH and I could relate to one another on in the beginning of our relationship. However, I do believe that by spending years denying our reality and being exposed to the narcissist's coping strategies and brainwashing, many people who would never experience OCD behavior, do experience it as a result of being with a narcissist. The important thing is to recognize what you're doing. Now that you're out of this relationship and away from him, you can allow yourself to feel again and you can learn not to be dependent on others (i.e. him) for validation. While I do not believe any of us become more narcissistic as a result of trying to love a narcissist, I do believe we definitely learn the paranoia, fear, obsessive compulsive behavior, rigidity (control) and avoidance of real feelings that are the daily existence of the narcissist. This is what makes a narcissist so miserable. They tried to keep us in this world of theirs for years, didn't they? They were envious of our feelings and wanted to stifle them, but we must remember, we are not like them. They tried to make us believe we were. Misery loves company, but we must remember, we are nothing like them. We have the ability to experience a range of emotions! We have the ability to feel. Do not allow the narcissist to take this from you. You need not avoid your feelings and you need not be dependent on others for validation. You have the ability to get in touch with your true self again and when you do, a whole new world opens up to you.
Jul 28 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
Aliveagain
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Yes, you are so right. Gosh

Yes, you are so right. Gosh it is just so good to be validated here by everyone else's experience. I wish we could find a way to reach out to ALL women in these situations and help them to see the truth. I recently read the book "Women who love psychopaths" and I died, every single character trait in there was exactly how I WAS before meeting mine and since breaking up I have found my emotional landscape quite desolate. I drain my friends and family and am a burden where I was once a light and a carer. So this bit really resonated with me: As long as we stay in a relationship with an abusive narcissist, we are lying to ourselves about our reality and our feelings. We are telling ourselves everything is ok, even when it's not. How does one do this for years? They adopt coping strategies to avoid having to really feel, right? Isn't this how a narcissist lives his life? He has mastered the ability to avoid feeling. What I find really enthralling about your N is that he admits it. Did he make admission the entire time?
Jul 28 - 4AM (Reply to #5)
Lisa E. Scott
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Yes!

Exactly.... ".... but it happens when my anxiety is up and I usually give in. I over think things, replaying the same negative experience over and over again in my head. I'll do something repetitive - like type the same thing over and over again on a google search or check my email over and over. I'll re-read an email I had already sent over and over again." Yes, re-reading is a common compulsive behavior! We react to anxiety by doing something compulsive in an effort to minimize the anxiety or.....as I finally realized.....to AVOID FEELING! By engaging in this maddening cycle or "loop" over and over again, we avoid having to FEEL the emotions that are coming over us. Instead of FEELING our emotions, we get stuck in a vicious cycle we can't stop. We have avoided having to feel, but our anxiety level is sky high! Because our anxiety is high, we keep engaging in the compulsive behavior because we no know other way to respond. This only makes it worse. At my worst, I could get stuck for hours. We need to retrain our brain and learn to sit and BE with our emotions and be ok with them. It's OK to be angry or sad. We don't need to avoid that by engaging in compulsive behavior. It takes time and you cannot expect perfection overnight (only progress:) but the good thing is that we can absolutely retrain our brains to stop this self-destructive behavior. That's the good news! Below is a great article that discusses how we avoid feeling by engaging in obsessive thoughts and how we can reduce our obsessive thoughts by learning to BE with our feelings. How To Stop Obsessive Thoughts by Mark Ivar Myhre If you want to learn how to stop obsessive thoughts, the first step involves understanding exactly what’s happening to you right now. It’s like you’re spinning on a hamster wheel. Like a treadmill that just runs in circles without ever getting anywhere. Why? Because you lack TRACTION. You spin because there’s nothing to grab hold of. I know; it’s obvious. But it’s important to really let it in: you lack traction. That’s why you can’t stop the obsessive thoughts. Fortunately, you can easily gain the traction you need to end those thoughts. You can end the obsession with unwanted thoughts by following a few simple steps. Years ago, as I studied the finer points of riding a bicycle, I learned a simple but profound truth: the bicycle usually follows the eyes. The bicycle follows the path I choose to focus on, on the road ahead of me. If there’s a pothole up ahead, and I keep staring at it; I’m liable to end up riding right through it. Not good. (But since we tend to shift our gaze away from the pothole, we miss it.) The bike follows the path we gaze upon. Same here. When you have obsessive thoughts, it’s like you’re staring at that pothole and you can’t stop staring. It’s like a deer frozen by the headlights of a car. You just can’t stop. Again, I know; it’s obvious. You’re thinking about something because you HAVE to think about it. You have to think about it because you ARE thinking about it. A catch-22. Can’t stop… can’t stop… can’t stop… those obsessive thoughts. Spinning away on a hamster wheel… So where lies the traction? With your FEELINGS. Because what happens when you’re thinking your obsessive thoughts? You are NOT in touch with your true feelings. Your TRUE feelings. Oh, you might be feeling something. Most likely, though, what you feel lacks realness. Take blame, for example. Blame lubricates the hamster wheel. You can blame all day long and not move ahead one inch. True feelings – REAL feelings – give you something to push off from. Blame gives you nothing. It only takes. Or how about righteousness? If you have the ‘right’ to be angry (and when you think about it, WHO DOESN’T?!!) you will sit and spin for days, weeks, years. The price you pay for righteousness: you must keep thinking the same thoughts over and over and over. Obsessing. Because you really are ‘right’. Look, everybody thinks they’re right. It’s not a question of who’s really right. No. Here’s the true question: do you want to learn how to stop obsessive thoughts, or don’t you? Which holds greater value? Peace of mind; happiness; resolution; balance; realness? Or spinning in righteousness; blame; pity; avoiding responsibility? If you’re truly ready to stop the obsessive thoughts, here’s how to do it: First, write down those obsessive thoughts on paper. It probably won’t take more than a sentence or two. Maybe a paragraph. Then, DIG DEEPLY into what those thoughts make you feel. It always starts with righteousness or blame or pity or judgments or something similar. That’s fine. Whichever lubricant comes up – write it down. “It really is their fault!” “I really am right!” “I am such an idiot!” Whatever. And then recognize: this is the lubricant that won’t let me stop those obsessive thoughts. Next, gut-check time. Which holds greater importance? Going deeper into the realness; the real feelings underneath? Or obsessing over this little statement I just wrote down? It’s not a question of who’s right. It’s not a function of who’s to blame. It’s not a matter of judging yourself or others harshly. The real question: what’s more important to you? You can always dig deeper and deeper into your TRUE feelings if you want to. You can feel without the slimy lubrication. Simply focus on your HEART instead of your HEAD. Stop looking at the pothole in your head. Change your focus. Imagine a hamster wheel spinning in your head. See it spinning and spinning away. Think the agonizing, obsessive thoughts. Then imagine it slowly turns into a sphere of light. Let it slowly sink down to the middle of your body. Feel it sinking down through your head, into your neck, then into your chest and then maybe all the way to your stomach or where ever feels right to you. Let it becomes a gyroscope, if you absolutely must have motion! Focus on either the gyroscope or the sphere of light in the middle of your body instead of the hamster wheel in your head. Repeat this little exercise whenever you feel the obsessive thoughts coming back. Seek out the feelings that come from your BODY. Not the so-called feelings that come out of your head. Focus on your body. And stop focusing all your attention in your head. All the while, taking the time to write things down. And FEEL what those statements feel like… not THINK what they feel like! That’s the key to gaining traction. Get out of your head and into your body. That’s the key to truly learning how to stop obsessive thoughts: focus on the feelings that you feel in your body. all the best, Mark Mark Ivar Myhre The Emotional Healing Wizard http://www.emotional-times.com/2007/08/how-to-stop-obsessive-thoughts.html
Jul 28 - 3PM (Reply to #6)
Steph
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Thanks for this thread and

Thanks for this thread and this article! I am really going to try this. Next time I have an obsessive thought ( which will likely be within the next 2 minutes lol) I am going to write it down and feel it, instead of thinking and overthinking it. I hope this works!
Jul 28 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
Kelly
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I'm going to try that as well

Writing down what I'm actually feeling instead of giving in to my compulsion. Seems like exercise :)