THE LATEST LETTER

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#1 Oct 13 - 5PM
emtg
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THE LATEST LETTER

I am sorry to keep having to post these letters. I don't understand how anything could make me pause but the magical thinking comes back sometimes, the idea that maybe he could change blah blah blah blah. Each letter he ups the ante and sounds more sincere and apologizes for even more. Is this normal? I must stay strong. I can't even imagine life withhim in it again with me and family and just being on hypervigilant rollercoaster.

Here is letter:

"I have lots more to say but I would rather talk in person about all of this. I really think that with therapy the issues we both have, trust, anger, dealing with adversity in a productive way, overcoming the parts that feel irreparable….that we could make this work. I am more than capable of expressing how I feel which was a big issue, and continue with therapy. The trust issues that you have are going to affect any relationship without overcoming them. I would like you to try to overcome them with me. I’m not asking to move back in or anything that drastic. I would just like for you to come to therapy with me, put your fear aside, and if we make progress in therapy great, if not we’re getting divorced as it is. If you would just consider coming to dale for a month and working with the issues you feel cant be overcome I think you would be amazed at the progress you could make. I felt a depression worse than anything I had ever felt before. It was paralyzing. I wanted to stop living. I didn’t want to be with anyone or do anything. It felt intensely like i would never or could never feel differently. I wanted nothing more than to just crawl into hole and die. I went to therapy twice a week and its getting better. My self esteem and feeling of self worth were both zero because of our relationship. I felt like I didn’t deserve happiness and would engage in self sabatoge because any feeling of happiness got to the point where it was unpleasant. It was a horrible way to feel and a horrible way to be living. Unfortunately you bore the brunt of that behavior. I am sorry. Through the therapy I really feel completely different. I approach life as a whole differently. I just want to show you this not only because I love you and want to be with you for the rest of my life but also because I know the way you deserve to be treated, how to effect the marriage we both want to have, and to show you I am worthy of trust. I think you brought the trust issues into the relationship and the there was always a kind of distrust there. without the depression and anxiety about arguments there is no reason for me to ever be dishonest with you. it can be repaired if you put aside your fear. I felt so much anxiety to be the husband you wanted me to be and had this impossible standard in my head about what I had to do to be that person. Through therapy I have learned that it was my own level of ideal that I had in my head that may or most likely was not consistent with yours that was impossible for me to live up to in my mind and when I couldn’t it would cause more depression and anxiety that lead to self sabatoge. All I had to do was ask you what you expected of me but I was incapable of accessing that area of my brain and that level of emotion since my brain had blocked that access long before we even met. I see things so clearly now that were invisible before. There were so many levels of blocked access to emotion that it was impossible for me to succeed in any more than a superficial level of emotion. That’s why I would say things like lets just move on rather than dealing with the issues because I couldn’t deal with them. I was incapable of dealing with them. it is also how things would get so spun out of control because my brain would literally block whatever feelings I had because it would cause pain and inability to think and my brain would just block the emotion and shut down my ability to communicate. (as an aside, this email was going to be three sentences long tops. But I cant stop myself from expressing how I feel now.) all of this caused me to tell lies or avoid problems rather than dealing with the issues. I am cognizant of that on a very deep level now. The difference is my emotional development had stopped around the age of 12 or 13. Through therapy twice a week I feel like I am gaining an appropriate adult level of emotion and the stability and insight that comes with it. I have such a clarity that I know would benefit both of us. If only you would just give therapy a shot. Now that the anger has subsided. We could just see what happens. Or go to dale individually for a couple weeks and see if that gets you to a place where you consider going back to heitler with me. I know I destroyed your trust in me to whatever degree I had it. I know you were distrustful of marriage and that caused you anxiety as well. I see what I need to do know to allay those fears and rebuild your faith and trust in me. I don’t want you to be the non trusting person either. I know what that feels like. That is what caused me to have thoughts of jealousy racing uncontrolled. I have worked on that in therapy as well. In my situation it was the result of deeper issues tied to the things I have mentioned in this and other emails. In sessions we have done together you said consciously and subconsciously that you didn’t trust men, marriage, that men cant be emotionally available and some other things that are related. If you would just try to deal with those issues and then consider whether you want to try couples therapy, perhaps that would be a possibility."

Oct 14 - 1PM
tynk3377
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WOW....

Hahahahahahahaha I just shit myself laughing so hard....... I had a ton of those exact same letters......from the trust issues *I* brought Into the relationship right to he was going to counciling twice a week because he was so torn up I filed for divorce.....( I say had because it was time to clean him out of my life and I deleted everything having to do with him.....especially all the boo hoo I am so hurt but let me explain why this to is all your fault shit) That letter could have been written word for word by my ex fucktard...or from anyone here's ex......more of them blaming and manipulating with guilt...... I am so happy to say when I read this letter it didn't trigger anything except a healthy long laugh......they are all the same.....hell they can't even manipulate originally..... Have a good laugh.....ignore him......delete the letter....then delete him......
Oct 14 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
Deidre40
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lol @ you shitting

lol @ you shitting yourself...omg, that made me laugh so hard!!! funny. mine never wrote eloquent bs letters like this. he basically just sent me texts calling me a dumb cunt. lol hahahaha! i can't believe i can laugh at it all now
Oct 14 - 2PM (Reply to #17)
Used
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deidre40

who.s the dumb cunt now....HIM,HIM,HIM.....XXX winter is coming, but he aint...lol
Oct 14 - 10AM
Deidre40
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i agree with everyone else

i agree with everyone else too about the counseling. they are all alike, honestly. lol my ex told me the night i ended it...you have ruined our relationship with your head issues...good job. lol i mean, really? meanwhile. i'm fine now. and he's still screwed up. i used to find it attractive, that a man would sit and write out a bunch of stuff like yours is doing, E. But, really, now I just look at it as weird. It's just weird. Not manly, either. A desperate wimp attempting to win you back, so he can abuse you again. HE needs therapy. And I hope he gets it and heals. For his own sake. But, you can pray for him from afar. Don't put yourself back into an abusive cycle.
Oct 13 - 9PM
Deidre40
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alright. i read it

alright. i read it :=P couples therapy?? FUCK HIM! As if YOU and he are the problem. No, dude. You're the problem. I'm not saying you are perfect. We are far from perfect. But, his letter is so wrapped up in himself....there's no room for growth. He wants you to go to therapy, so you will be enmeshed in the nonsense again, and too weary to leave him. I am not an advocate for divorce. But, to stay in a toxic abusive environment is like drinking poison...a little everyday. A slow death. I can't imagine that God wants us to live like that. :=( I will be praying for you. But, I honestly think you know what to do. You're just a little skittish of doing it. Understandable.
Oct 13 - 9PM
Deidre40
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I look at that letter, I

I look at that letter, I skimmed, because it's all mind numbing nonsense to me. (reading objectively) I will say...is this what you want? A man who writes endless letters about himself and his problems and his this and that? OMG...I mean, we all have issues. But, with these people...them and their issues become the center of the relationship. And YOUR JOB is to cure them. AND IF YOU DON'T...they bail, or abuse. This letter is an attempt to win you back...and abuse you again. Repeat that over and over. They don't know anything else. He doesn't want to change. He wants to win you back, gain your pity...and abuse you again. Period. His letters are too long!!! :=P Now that I have healed, I can honestly say...I have no patience for these pathetic types anymore. BE A MAN...BE STRONG for pete's sakes. These mind numbing, wimpy letters. Ugh...I want to puke. I know you may still love him, but if you see it as I see it, you'll see that he just wants you to pity him...win you back...so he can keep abusing you. It seems genuine, but the whole letter was about HIM. LOL
Oct 14 - 8AM (Reply to #12)
Used
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he is still abuseing you and

he is still abuseing you and you are letting him, IF YOU DON'T THINK THIS LETTER IS ABUSE,THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS?. i cant believe you even bother reading them....he obviously has nothing better to do with his life... you have/
Oct 13 - 9PM
Unfreakinreal
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Unbelievable.

I read your post carefully. You brought the trust issues into the relationship, he had anxiety trying to live up to your expectations, your impossible standard... Project much? I just love how these idiots write these novels about how much they don't want you out of their life but blame you for it happening. He has an excuse for everything, nowhere did I see him take ownership of anything. I don't know how long you have been with him altogether, but this much drama on his part so early is a really bad sign. He's pulling out all the stops, don't fall for it. This guy blames you for his lies and actions? Please.
Oct 13 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
emtg
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OK thank you everyone -- not taking bait

But it's hard. I think to me, this letter doesn't sound horrible or narcissistic ramblings, because it's the first time he has truly apologized and I have been living off crumbs with this man. To have him acknowledge and apologize for the sexual withdrawal and cruelty was all I fucking wanted five months ago. but that is pathetic. I should want so much more. I should not waste my 30's in couple's therapy trying to trust a man I barely can tolerate. When I think of what I want, it is for him to disappear. So really, what more is there to work on anyway. You guys give me the strength to keep away -- you are right. guilt and heartstrings and of course, the real huge D and D was only 5 weeks before I threw him out so I don't remember things the same way anymore. xoxo
Oct 14 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
Done sourcing
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If your gut (heart) says yo

If your gut (heart) says yo want him to disappear, then so be it. Great for him doing therapy, hope he continues that is always good. But you don't have to go with him for any reason. Couples therapy is for couples. You are un-coupled, and have the right and freedom to make that choice. He mentioned your initial trust issues alot. Maybe he is right on that one thing. Ok. So you have trust issues. You can look at that by yourself in therapy if you want to. But if you want him gone, you already kinda have that. He will probably blow up soon, when you don't submit to his plan. And it really doesn't matter what they do once we are done. They are so foolish, childlike. Once love is gone, what is left to work on anyways. He does sound very needy, and that is fueling his pleading. It does sound confusing and like a lot of work to maybe get to a place where it is tolerable for an hour a week while in the therapist's office, then going the whole week with him waiting for the next appt. to "grow" together...hmmmm. Better to live in the corner of an attic alone than with a spouse you can barely tolerate in a huge mansion. Living in chains is a tough way to go. If you don't want to go with him, go nc instead so that you can have the space to grow and get on with your own life. If you do have issues that you brought into the realtionship, go work on those alone. The benefits will be at least two-fold. One-you will be more comfortable. Two-you won't need a relationship, so a healthy one can come to you...when we "need" a relationship, we sell ourselves way too short. ds
Oct 14 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
Hunter
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Re read what you just

Re read what you just wrote!! Yup, hes sucking you back in, his words are what you've been waiting to hear.. POS.. This goes to show they do listen to our wants our needs. They put it in a storage closet, pull out and dust of the manipulation to sock it to you. Desperate times require desperate measures. FUCK HIM.. Let him live in crazy.. You have your shit together.. keep going.. Next year things will be great!! Hunter
Oct 13 - 9PM
ordinarycourage
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Don't hit the snooze button...

turn off the alarm. Not trying to make light of your situation but this letter reeks of narcissistic rambling.... No normal man would ever write an letter like this.
Oct 13 - 8PM
highlander
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I think that it's a cheap

I think that it's a cheap shot to send you a letter like that. He knows you have a heart, and thinks that's what you want to hear. Listen to Hunter. Delete it, turn your computer off and go have a nice glass of Champagne somewhere...
Oct 13 - 8PM
drcrnp
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Very persuasive...but. Ns

Very persuasive...but. Ns are so good at being persuasive. What strikes me in particular is the emphasis on you joining him for counseling. My ex-N went on and on about how badly I needed counseling, and went on to say that if I wouldn't stay on antidepressants forever, he wouldn't stay with me. There is a time and place for antidepressants, but when I knew that I no longer needed them, I quit them and I was just fine except for when he drove me into the ground with his endless put-downs, gaslighting and negating me. The N is the one who needs fixing, not the victim. What I've learned of course is that 99.9% of the time, no make that 100, the N can NOT be fixed. But to insinuate that it is a "couples" issue is so far off the mark! Don't go there, please, don't put yourself in that horrific place.
Oct 13 - 6PM
uk lady
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emtg

It's just exhausting to read let alone digest. He will never change - keep reading the steps to get yourself out of it. Dee x
Oct 13 - 6PM
Hunter
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Oh for God

Oh for God sake!! Delete,Delete,Delete!! Didn't you say this is almost final?? What ....does he have to write a big check?? Take the money and run Baby!!! Hunter
Oct 13 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
Swan
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Kool-Aid

Don't drink the Kool-Aid I heard all kinds of things: heart felt promises, begging, bargaining etc for me to stay, to give the Narcabuser one more shot. Its only an opportunity to draw you back in and then hit you up with the biggest, cruelest, harshest form of retaliatory revenge ever. Don't. Drink. The. Kool-Aid.