It's not you, it's them.

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#1 Dec 11 - 10PM
Sparrow
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It's not you, it's them.

If you could stop the madness, for just one day, remove every one of your experiences with your narc from your memory and start with a clean slate, what would you do differently?

NOTHING.....................

You need to understand and accept, that there was nothing you could have done differently to avoid this happening to you, short of staying in bed that day, the day you met him/her for the very first time. But guess what, if it wasn't him, it would have been another one. Eventually.

We have what they want, not everyone has what they want, we do. But, with that said, you need to remind yourself that it isn't your fault that you fell victim to the disordered. You did nothing intentionally to meet this person, nor did you do anything to deserve what this person has done to you. None of this should be taken personally by you.

What these people are attracted to, need so desperately, is the supply that only we can provide them. We, being decent, loving, compassion human beings. One full of love, nurturing, empathy. Not every human being on the planet possesses these qualities. These are qualities that are only found in people like us, and they want it very badly. They yearn to be who we are, what we are. They are jealous of who we are, they are envious of who we are. They want to be us, they want our gift, and they connect to us so they can draw our positive energy from us to them, and once they have it, once they absorb us, they become extremely uncomfortable with who they are because they can not stand to feel what we feel, to be what we are, and they rejest us, they destroy us, they are so full of hate, it seems they are towards us, but they are not. The hatred thy feel is hatred for themselves because they can not be who and what we are. And they know that they never will be.

We don't disgust them, they disgust themselves. We will heal, thankfully, but they will never heal.

Find comfort in this.

Dec 12 - 4PM
Crazy Train
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Love ya, Sparrow :) Great

Love ya, Sparrow :) Great post! Hugs, CT
Dec 12 - 2PM
greengirl91
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This is so beautiful and

This is so beautiful and insightful, thank you!..
Dec 12 - 9AM
Sparrow
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Alicat, I am so sorry that

Alicat, I am so sorry that you had to experience that, but now you know what happens when you break NC. Most of us have to find out the hard way unfortuantely. Now that you know this, stay NC like you mentioned. It really is the only way. Like I mentioned the other day on the forum, with every time you go back, the punishment gets harsher and harsher. He knew exactly what he was doing when he got you to break NC. And he made sure to set you up to fail. "Allison is the same" Darn right you are! And theres nothing wrong with you! It's him and his crazy making antics that have driven you to behave the way you have lately. Good luck with NC and stay strong!
Dec 12 - 7PM (Reply to #27)
janemarie
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Never go back

Just as Sparrow says...the punishment gets harsher and harsher...by the 4th time...I found myself homeless with my 3 children.... Its so much easier to go with our heart..its less painful, but you have to go with your gut...your gut never fails you!!
Dec 12 - 9AM (Reply to #25)
alicat
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Thank you Sparrow! I will do

Thank you Sparrow! I will do just that! It's just really hard. I think the hardest part for me is understanding the disorder. I know he truly has it, but it is unreal how all these people are all alike! Thanks again!!!
Dec 12 - 9AM (Reply to #26)
jackguy
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f+++ him alicat

these are sick individuals...you are so much better off without him...you deserve a lot more than he can ever give anyone.
Dec 12 - 8AM
alicat
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Sparrow, I needed this today.

Sparrow, I needed this today. I am sitting here crying again because I let my exN get the best of me. As you know he waltzed back into my life telling me he loved me and missed me and wants to take things real slow. Then he started to become distant (I guess after getting supply from me)He broke plans with me on Saturday and I told him via text that I needed to be respected that it was not fair to me. He told me that I am the same old Allison and that he could not go there again! Just because I stood up for myself. Now I feel like I am back to square one. I have a few men who want to date me but I can't even open myself up to do that. I hate feeling stuck! I need to go back to no contact and keep it like that!
Dec 12 - 8AM
Sparrow
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Mine knew exactly what

Mine knew exactly what buttons to push. He did his best to convince me that no one cared about me, just him. He actually said to me "You know, I'm the truest friend you probably ever had. And you will realize one day that I am probably your only real friend, if you had to be honest with yourslef". He gave me much to think about with that statement. He actually had me wondering.........I shake my head now in amazement how he was able to have that kind of influence over me. Thank God I awoke from the hypnotic trance he had me under. Goodness knows where I would be today if not. :)
Dec 12 - 4PM (Reply to #22)
Crazy Train
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OMG, mine said the same exact

OMG, mine said the same exact thing! Do they have a Narc handbook or something? How do these jokers all have the same lines? It's hard for me to wrap my head around.
Dec 12 - 3PM (Reply to #21)
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wow...right on target. mine

wow...right on target. mine told me he would love me better than any other man could!! could not have been further from the truth! he left me so broken and empty. angry at the world and at myself for allowing it to happen.
Dec 12 - 8AM
purplekaty
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I didn't know what

I didn't know what "projection" was til I got on this site and that was an eye opener for sure for me. I am a good person who gives to everyone and still trusts first til you prove me wrong (not gonna change) lol and all the hateful things he said and he tried sooo hard to destroy my faith in humanity did not work ( ok it did for awhile) but once I got on here and read and read I now finally relize it is not true, it may be "HIS" truth but it is NOT mine. He used to tell me peole lie, use, and basically are only out for themselves, I remember being so sad when he use to say stuff like that and after awhile started to believe it but in the back of my head knew better THANK GOD I finally woke up and relized it is HIM not me EVERYTHING he said was about his veiw of the world and of me. I am not a whore, I do not use people,he is not the only good person in my life, I do see who and what he is and NEVER want that in my life again. Thanks to everyone here.
Dec 12 - 4PM (Reply to #19)
Crazy Train
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Purplekaty, It is so unreal

Purplekaty, It is so unreal that mine said the same crap to me....I'm a slut, a "moocher" because "all I do is take" (btw, he never gave me ANYTHING), he's the only real friend I have, my other friends are all "from the trailer park"......... I'm glad you came to the realization that he's an ass and you aren't any of those things he said. It burned me up inside to think that he would even think those things about me. I'm such a people-pleaser, a giver, a caretaker, loving, etc. And with 4 sex partners in my 30 years of dating...hardly a slut! Hugs to you.
Dec 12 - 8AM (Reply to #18)
onwithmylife
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purplekaty

the exnarc favorite words to me were whore, slut, cunt, all his own projections, i wrote a post on here to sparrow, did you get a chance to read it. thanks for vslidating what I felt...
Dec 12 - 8AM
Sparrow
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I couldn't agree more. There

I couldn't agree more. There is nothing more to say, and what would be the point? It would be a total waste of time. Leave them in their misery, and be thankful that we aren't them is how I feel any more. Your friend doen't understand, because she hasn't been through it. Even a "hello" would be a total waste of your time.
Dec 12 - 7AM
Sparrow
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Used.............the response

Used.............the response to the narc "what, you want to be a woman?" that was funny. :)
Dec 12 - 7AM (Reply to #15)
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sparrow

OH, I cannot seem to concentrate to day....what would have been funnier, if he had said YES..... myexn, told me also, that somedays HE WANTS TO BE ANYONE BUT HIMSELF...... Pretty terrible way to live, and then the sympathy goes, b/c He done absolutly nothing to change his ways.... So in my case I thought...let him stay in the ABYSS ,BUT HE IS NOT TAKING ME WITH HIM..... The depressions I got when I was with him, still amaze me enough to think ,why didnt I get out sooner....but i didnt so thats negative thinking...and I am out now and will stay out......a friend asked me yesterday, would I ever talk to him even hello, I said no, whats the point, if I havent talked to him for [or anyone else]for over 2years.... then, I obviously dont need too...she seemed cofused with that answer...dunno why?
Dec 12 - 7AM
onwithmylife
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sparrow

this is such a simple, true post of yours. mine hates himself i once heard him call himself horrible names out loud over a silly accident he did. Recently he sent me a hateful letter full of false accusations about me, bar slut low life trolling bars and the internet,{I had placed an ad on the internet to make new friends.} he was trying to desrtoy my faith and character in me. He is trying to bring me down to his loser level, because I know he thinks fo himself as a loser, he told me years ago.I will never bite to that. he has given me back my self esteem if that makes sense to you. He must be having a horrible life for him to say all the terriblethings he said to me in the few letters, it is all a projection of his own barren, hollow life. I would not be him for a million dollars either
Dec 12 - 8AM (Reply to #13)
Sparrow
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Onwithmylife, I am glad you

Onwithmylife, I am glad you didn't allow him to succeed in bringing you down to his level! I can't imagine getting a letter that says so many horrible things. Yet another thing I am grateful for. Mine was far from "Mr Nice Guy" he sent me some disturbing emails, angry ones but nothing to the extreme. His way of getting to me was by way of the Silent Treatment and he was good at manipulating me with his words, talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Dec 12 - 6AM
Sparrow
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Used, that is a funny

Used, that is a funny response! :) They do want to be us. They are constantly re-inventing themselves with new people in their lives. I see it all the time now. It's so apparent to me, it isn't even funny. Our narcs try so hard to take our "goodness" from us, because they yearn for it themselves. It's almost as if they "trade" their personalities with us. Towards the end, we are made to feel like the crazy ones. They are masters of manipulation for sure. I wouldn't trade places with anyone who is disordered for all the tea in China. What a horrible existance that must be.
Dec 12 - 7AM (Reply to #11)
Used
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What ? funny lol, or funny

What ? funny lol, or funny response to make to narc?
Dec 11 - 11PM
ReclaimingPower
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Aaaah

I think I love you. :) Thank you. xoxo
Dec 11 - 10PM
Pumpkin
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Sparrow

I don't think they want to be like us at all. I think they feel far superior to those of us that feel compassion. They think it's a waste of time and a weakness.

Pumpkin

Dec 12 - 5PM (Reply to #8)
Susan32
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"I want you to rise above your feelings"

The ex-Psych certainly had delusions of superiority. He did take kindness&compassion as weaknesses to be punished. When I'd tell him to be gentle&kind, he'd say, "You WANT me to be weak!" He saw his cold lack of feeling as a strength. He'd talk about how he wanted me to rise above my feelings. He'd say how I was TOO happy. I've been triggered recently reading a book called "Fulfillment of all Desire",it's a book about Catholic spirituality, and it discusses how St. John of the Cross condemned "inordinate joy." The ex-P would use that expression. He'd condemn smiling, happy people as fake (or else they were ridiculing his greatness) This book reminds me of how many times I'd be commanded how to feel, how to think. NOT pleasant memories. Inordinate joy sounds like a GOOD thing-with plenty of extra to share! Condemning people for "inordinate joy" sounds like a Narc who sulks in the corner, determined to ruin people's Christmas celebrations. It makes matter worse when the book speaks of St. Catherine of Siena discussing how God plays "lover's games",by withdrawing Himself from believers. The concept of God as a killjoy, game-playing Narc is not particularly appealing to me. God was with me during that difficult time. He didn't abandon me. He didn't play me. How DARE anyone call Him a player!
Dec 12 - 6AM (Reply to #7)
Used
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pumpkin

I believe sparrow to be correct in what she has said.... myexnh, exn, and another narc have all said to me.... I WISH I WAS YOU....by the time the 3rd one said it, I replied, what you want to be a WOMEN....
Dec 11 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
Sparrow
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Pumpkin, they only give the

Pumpkin, they only give the impression that they are superior. They know their weakness, they just don't admit it to any other living being. They are crippled inside, and they are full of hate for themselves as well as others. Sad but true.
Dec 11 - 10PM (Reply to #6)
Pumpkin
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Sparrow

Maybe you're right. I know that he knew that something was wrong with him. He definitely was a coward, something I didn't see back when I was with him.

Pumpkin

Dec 11 - 10PM
uk lady
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You are so right Sparrow

Mine hated the way he felt, the way he acted, the way that he could never change, the thought that his life would always be the same. He actually said that all he ever wanted, was to be normal but that he didn't know how to be. I believe that's why I stayed so long with him - him telling me that he wanted something other than what he was or what he gave back to me. In fact, I would often say that to him - "if you want to change things so much then why is everything always the same and never moving forward?". I knew nothing about NPD then. He always told me that I was such a special person - for all the reasons that you have listed above. Probably the only truthful words he ever uttered. BUT eventually we have to walk away to save ourselves because, as we all know, we cannot give up all our life for someone who cannot give us what we ultimately need - love and commitment. It truly is THEM and not US. Thanks Sparrow for the reminder and clarity. Dee x
Dec 12 - 12AM (Reply to #2)
Blessed
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Dee

Your comments describe my experience as well. My N saw several therapists over our 4 years and really understood that he is 'damaged', his word. Yet he thought that through therapy he would just wake up one morning 'fixed', again his word. His self focus made it impossible for him to choose different behaviors. He just didn't get that part at all, as if he has no free will. It was bizarre. I used to say that he was waiting for the therapist to sprinkle the magic fairy dust. So frustrating and heartbreaking. His repeated attempts at therapy kept me in the game and gave me hope, over and over and over. What a nightmare. xo
Dec 12 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
uk lady
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Do you know what Blessed?

Deep down inside I truly pity him really - definitely not enough to ever want him back, mind you. I will recover but he can never change. But I now know that it was all triggered through his mother and father. They both have zero empathy for anybody but themselves and they guided him well. It was always only ever about them too - me, me, me. No wonder he had turned out the way he is. He is still that little boy seeking their attention that he never ever got. I remember her telling me once that because she and his father were divorced that on Christmas Day when he was about 10 that he spent time with her in the morning and then walked down to his father's alone (about 2 miles away - no buses) had dinner and then walked back again and had another dinner with her too. What kind of parents allow their child to do that at 10 yo? They were the parents and should have exerted more control and taken responsibilty. This was not in the "A Christmas Carol" era. That's why I know he is the way he is. No empathy, compassion or boundaries were ever put in place during his childhood. It was only about their entitlement to get him to do what they wanted when it fitted into their lives. Still, not my problem nowadays. Dee x