Inside his head

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#1 Oct 14 - 4AM
marie27m
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Inside his head

Last night I bumped into my exN. I’ve gone complete NC since an ugly fight we had last week while we were trying the ‘friends’ thing. So he asks me why I don’t want to see or speak to him anymore. I was on my way home after drinks with friends and was rather tipsy so my guard was down… I said I can’t hang around him anymore because I still have feelings for him while I know he feels nothing for me. And this is how the conversation went (I wrote it down when I got home so I could remember it all!):

Him: Well I don’t feel anything for anyone, including myself.
I don't feel anything for my parents, my sister, the dead
dog I buried today (his mom's beloved dog died and she is
devastated).
Me: Why did you bother hooking up with me in the first place
if you know you don't feel anything for anyone?
Him: I thought and hoped I changed, I thought it would be
different, that I would be different this time.
Me: Did you EVER feel anything for me?
Him: Yes I did feel something. All the things I said to you
were true (contradicting, I think he felt something but
didn't understand what it was).
Me: Then what a bitch it must’ve been when I became soft and
began to have the need to talk about feelings (during the
fight the previous week he accused me of becoming 'soft'
when we were together because I wanted to talk about
feelings). All your ex's must've been heartless then!
Him: Yes most of them were. I don’t know what’s wrong with
me, there's something wrong with my head, I don't know
what's going on. I know and am at peace that I'm going
to be alone the rest of my life and die alone.
Me: Humans are social creatures, how can you just be happy
with that?
Him: I’m not social. I have my own universe I live in. I
can't imagine why anyone would like me, what's there to
like about me. I don't even like myself.
Me: Am I supposed to feel sorry for you now?
Him: No but do you really never want to see me again? You are
my connection to the outside world, telling me what's
going on in your life and around town, the gossip.
Me: You won’t even miss me when I leave (I’m moving away next
year).
Him: I’ll miss our little get-togethers and the fun.
(Interesting how he won't miss me). If you change your
mind on spending time with me, I'll be here. Is there
anything I can do to change your mind, anything at all?
I guess there's nothing I can do...

And from there I basically just ended the conversation by saying that’s how I feel and he should respect it and leave me alone. I know one can never really believe what Ns say, and I never should've engaged in the conversation but I have a big mouth after a few drinks! This just was the first time ever that I felt he was honest to me. I’ve learnt his tone and body language when he says things just to get attention/sympathy or when he says things he thinks I want to hear. And last night was completely different, I sensed a bit of desperation. It felt like he was admitting trying to live through me because he can't 'live' himself. Just wanted to share it...

Oct 14 - 1PM
Briseis
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Chilling . . .

Years ago I would have seen a person who MUST be in extreme pain, to say the things he said about himself. I would have been in extreme pain, myself, to say such things. So it follows that he must be as well? So you wanna take him home and put him in footie pajamas with a bottle and MOTHER the pain and emptiness right outta him. I'm preaching to the choir when I say that is SICK :D Nowadays, I believe I was completely wrong in assuming only a person in terrible pain would confess such a thing. A predator would say the same thing. "I eat people because I'm hungry, it's as simple as that. I don't feel sorry for them, I just eat them. I am just this way, when I get hungry, well, I eat you. So are you sure you never want to be around me again? I need to smell you and imagine how you taste. I don't want you around for yourSELF, I want you around for ME." Yeah, I just want to bundle it up and breastfeed it. You betcha :P If anyone is still struggling with this yearning to breastfeed a predator . . . I think you may have yet to uncover one more layer in your understanding of what a predator really IS. On the same hand, there is a deadly kind of misunderstanding of who YOU are in relationship to a predator. A dissonant idea that you are FOOD and some kind of GOD that is so powerful as to change the nature of the beast. Not a real "person" at all, but something to be used and eaten, with a grandiose sense of her own power. Which is proven wrong again and again, else you would be out there breastfeeding predators until they turned into human beings instead of being on this board.
Oct 14 - 5AM
helldweller
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marie27m

When I read your post, I was thinking, "My God. If my N said that stuff to me I would be absolutely thrilled. I would have taken him home and tucked him into bed and stroked his face and gazed at him for the rest of my life." THEN I thought, OMG. When someone says, "I am a heartless freak of nature," that is not supposed to make us hapy! That is supposed to make us run! If the vampire says, "I'm going to suck you blood now" you don't unbutton your collar to make it easier. But WE do! Why?
Oct 14 - 12PM (Reply to #13)
Playedwithfire
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If the vampire says, "I'm

If the vampire says, "I'm going to suck you blood now" you don't unbutton your collar to make it easier. But WE do! Why? I can picture this!!Been there done that. And we do it because it's how we learned to deal with being with these N's. We feel sorry for them or how could I let you deal with this on your own, I love you so I should take on this responsibility for you... Playedwithfire

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Oct 14 - 5AM (Reply to #2)
marie27m
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I have to admit, it made me

I have to admit, it made me wonder if he is an N. From what I understand they don't think anything is wrong with them. But even if he is not an N, something is off. 'Luckily' when he said these things, I felt like running. I must've seen the light finally! I completely saw how he can/will never change and like you said 'a heartless freak of nature.' Truly sad and shocking. They are unfixable.
Oct 14 - 5PM (Reply to #12)
gettinbetter
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Marie I definitely think

Marie I definitely think some of them know that something is terribly wrong with them after all they are not stupid they look around and see what normal relationships are like. I think he for once was telling the truth. I think they do that occasionally just for the shock value
Oct 14 - 5AM (Reply to #3)
helldweller
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marie

Oh! That's what I forgot to say! You are amazing; it's amazing that you wanted to run and that you made a terse, simple statement and walked away.
Oct 14 - 6AM (Reply to #4)
marie27m
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;-)

Thank you! I feel stronger everyday, I think accepting he will never change has made a huge difference to me. And by him saying those things last night he destroyed any hope I may still have had, and I'm actually grateful for it.
Oct 14 - 9AM (Reply to #5)
Nothanx
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His confession

I think once in a great while the human pops out before they can control it! This was so interesting to me because he completely admitted that he has no feelings! My N had moments of clarity, but he is the opposite...he always says "I do have feelings, or I am not heartless". I think he does have feelings...FOR HIMSELF! I noticed that when I would push my N away and he got desperate he would all of a sudden be able to tell me a really sad part of his life, but as quickly as it came, it went. My N also feels that he is going to live out his days alone...die alone...the way his Dad did.
Oct 14 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
Used
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feelings

the narc told me he had no feelings...pity it was 5yrs down the line.
Oct 14 - 12PM (Reply to #6)
kiwi10
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wow

this is great. i think they do this to lure you... nothing is hotter than a bad boy, right? i am a rock, i am an island. i'v build walls, their fortress deep and mighty, that none may penetrate.. come on! it's NOT charming to be a robot, right? are you his beauty and he's the beast? ok. my x husband, who is in his 40's, 15 years older than i am, pulled this shit. he called me for two weeks straight professing his love to me while i was out of town only to have me walk into my house after a 16 hour drive to a dead bird in my bedroom, all the pictures i had of us torn up in the garbage and divorce papers on the table. when they are nice to you they are about to destroy YOUR heart.
Oct 14 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
Used
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when they are nice to you

when they are nice to you they are about to destroy YOUR heart. to lull you into a false sense of security so it hurts and destroys you!!
Oct 17 - 3PM (Reply to #8)
Nothanx
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True!

I believe this to be completely true! I have been no contact for about 8 months, but all along the way he has tried to make contact. He has, every couple of months, sent me a text or email (which I ignored) that would say how much he missed me and how miserable he is without me. He also tried desperately to convince me he would be different if I only gave him another chance (he did this at the end of our relationship...before I went completely no contact). In a moment of weakness last week, I replied to an email he left me. We went back and forth with a few polite catching up msgs, and he of course tells me how much he missed me and that he would never take me for granted again. Then when I think I have his motivation figured out and think he is going to be hoovering hard...he stops and is done with communication! He did all that just to mess me up again! He only goes hard for me when I don't want him. I know I never should have replied to his emails, and I know that I am lucky that he stopped communicating with me, but it just shows how he will never stop effing with my mind if I let him. He is a master at manipulating me, and I know this! I am sure he will try to contact me again at some point, I am glad (in a way) that he gave me this little reminder of what a weirdo he is. We have all heard it but seriously...DON'T BREAK NO CONTACT!!!!!
Oct 17 - 3PM (Reply to #9)
Used
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nothanx

but you will know next time...you will know.1 he is chasing you cos he hasent got you. 2 when he gets you he will love you up till you are dizzy. 3 he will dump you.4 he will think i am back in her head,5 how dare she play hard to get... when he contacts you again[and he will] if you remember these 5 things[i am not beign patronising] you wont even go there, instead you will be thinking you predictable pathetic prick...
Oct 17 - 3PM (Reply to #10)
Nothanx
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Yep

You are spot on! I can so clearly see that after only a few stupid emails, I am fuzzy! I am glad he gave me a while to regroup because now I am feeling stronger than I did just a few days ago! If he would have done the love bombing that he is famous for, who knows what would have happened. I was really starting to think he sounded different and maybe the therapy and medication had worked for him. I can't go back to Crazytown!