I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart

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#1 Sep 25 - 6PM
hooklineandsinker
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I want to thank you all from the bottom of my heart

for being such angels tonight. God bless your kindness and love and patience. The suicidal feelings come and go but I suppose weekends are the hardest times. I spoke to Lisa in person tonight (morning where she is) and she soothed me so much, as did all your lovely messages. It's just hard when you don't see any end in sight. It's such a shame that we're all in different parts of the world because I would love to meet you all in person and give you hugs for being so supremely kindhearted to me, who is after all a total stranger, and to others on this board. You people give new meaning to the term "human" race. You are so selfless and lovely.

After my discussion with Lisa I had an even better idea about what narcs are all about. Please, don't ANY of you go back to them because you are all such gems of women and it would be a total case of pearls before swine (the Bible's words, not mine) Stay away. Nature abhors a vaccum, so better things will come along. If we can't believe that for ourselves (which I can't at the moment), we need to believe it for each other. Please do not throw your sterling qualities away on these soul-suckers a second longer. Keep them to yourselves as long as it takes and then a worthy recipient will come along sooner or later, someone who gives back every ounce of love and goodness that you give out. Again, when we can't believe it for ourselves, we need to believe it for each other.

HLS x

Jul 14 - 1AM
mrlin (not verified)
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xoxxo
Sep 26 - 4PM
wholeagain
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I'm glad

you got to a better place last night and I hope you're doing okay today. This is a rough road but you can make it and there are a lot of people pulling for you here!
Sep 26 - 1PM
Briseis
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I'm so glad you talked to

I'm so glad you talked to Lisa and are feeling "the love" around here :) I'm serious, we NEED each other, we can't do it without each other.
Sep 26 - 11AM
betty2020
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I am so glad your feeling

I am so glad your feeling better hun. Lisa and I were so worried about you yesterday. I thought we might have to hop a plane....hehe. Please know that we are all here for you. I sent you my number as well and If you are unable to reach her plz call me. Just remember that this is only one small fraction in time. Even though it seems like forever this will pass. Something and someone is waiting for you when the time is right and their life will be forever disrupted if you do anything to break this life plan. It could be a lover, a friend or even a child that is waiting for you. Always think about this before you make a move because their life depends on you. Sending you lottttttttts of luv today!!!!!!!! Betty only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Sep 26 - 12PM
Used
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hookline

glad you have seen light at the tunnel, i was thinking of you last night,, and was thinking of myexh and exn, and was saying to my self, i understand why i mention my n, but cant understand why i mention my exh i have no feeling for him at all... then i relized i have had 2major relationships in my whole life...31yrs exh and 5 years with narc, and have been with both of these men ,while thinking i want to die... so thats what they have in common, they both made me feel so bad i wanted to die. while they were suppose to "LOVE ME ", they made me plummet to the depths of darkness... but here i am today ...free as a bird, this board means more to me than, chocalate.lol, to be able to talk to like minded people to bring us out of the darkness....I AM BLESSED. and you are too, we were all so worried about you and lisa came up trumps as always, where could we find that support 24/7... no where!!!, my i suggest if you meet anyone again, take their number dont give them yours, and you be the one to make the descion to get in touch... is that a cop out ,maybe, but thats what i would do , but i am luckier than you i am out of the game now... ime enjoying my own time, music,tv,reading,net... but that is my choice,the only love affair i have now is with my local library, or new music on my ipod.and it works for me.... if it hadnt been for this board[ thanks lisa] i would have gone back with my narc....... but i know this is the way its got to be....love alwaysxx
Sep 26 - 2AM
ShaynasMommy
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Hook

I am so very glad you decided to stick it out. You are an extremely tough lady and intelligent as heck. You HAVE to know that you are here for a very special reason and mission, just like the rest of us, even though you may never know what it is. This is why you must value yourself enough to go on. I can't stress enough that the pain WILL subside, and it will take its place in the back of your psyche someday, even though people here are right about it never going away completely. In its own way, the scars that remain are blessings, because they are reminders to us of who we are, and where we will never go again in our lives once we finally break the cycle of abuse. You are awesome, and never let anyone make you feel otherwise. At some point you will become an expert at recognizing when others are projecting their crap onto you, and you will be able to just say NO NO NO! obody can tell you for sure if life will turn out exactly the way you would like, getting married, and having kids, etc. But you are here for a reason, and I sincerely hope you can find your joy and peace in life so that you can make the most of the (hopefully) long life you have left.
Sep 26 - 12AM
ShaynasMommy
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Hook

I am very glad you decided to stick it out. Youre presence in this world is simply a BLESSING to everyone you know and touch, wether they realize it or not, so you have to keep thinking of yourself as valued. You are here for a reason, always have been. Once you are able to break this cycle of pain and abuse, and I believe you are well on the way to doing that, I think you will God will not abandon you, I promise. He may not always give you what you want, but he will give you exactly what you need. IMHO, I think you are already a mother in your heart, and you have all of these fantastic qualities, that I really have a hard time believing that a prince of a man is not out there, just waiting for you to be ready to recieve all of the wonderful things that he SINCERELY wants to give to you. It will happen eventually in its own good timing. When I was in the dark place myself, trying to maintain NC and to understand why my life, dreams, and future had all turned into a pile of crap....a friend told me that my guy was "out there somewhere, learning his own lessons, being prepared for when the time came for us to meet." Its all about timing. I don't want you to despair over the fact that you are 42. Stupidly for me, I was 27 at the time and figured it was all over, because I carried with me so much baggage. Im 35 now and finally its happened for me, but I don't in my heart believe that its gonna take 8 more years for you....I know you are worried about your fertility, I totally get that. But somehow, maybe not in the way you expect, you will get what you need. It will be alright. I think you are at rock bottom right now, and no matter what happens from here on out, you will only go up. Take very good care of yourself, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. You never know when you have to be on your A game to help someone else, and when you do you will feel so damn good about yourself, and say to yourself, see....that fucktard Narc had it all wrong....I AM somebody important, I AM here for a reason and its NOT to get jerked around. Please keep up the hard internal work, read, learn, pray, listen to others that have gone before. When you are on the other side of the darkness, you will feel so proud of yourself, and able to smell a psycho 100 miles away. By all means hold on tight to your dreams of a family, but in the mean time, try dating yourself some. When you fall in total love with yourself (not in the arrogant narc way, of course)then a REAL man will fall head over heels in love with you, and you will be the last woman he will ever want to date, that will be it! Keep your chin up, gal. your'e totally worth it. Its ALL ABOUT YOU NOW.
Sep 25 - 7PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Proud of you

I'm so proud of you for pulling yourself out of the depths, HLS. I've been there more than once and it hurts like hell. It's hard, but you did it. Sometimes we have to dig deep, but at the end of the day, one thing I want every one of us to never forget is that YOU ARE NOT ALONE We are here for one another like no one else can be. We understand each other's struggle on a level no one else can. We must remind each other of this as well as why we're better off for having escaped the narcissist. Helping one another understand their behavior helps you see the level of their pathology. You then realize how fortunate you are for dodging a bullet! Believe me, we are so much better off without these toxic men in our lives. We will meet the right person someday. When you do, you will realize it was so worth the wait. Better to commit your life to someone deserving of your love than someone who is not deserving. I love what you said, HLS: "Please do not throw your sterling qualities away on these soul-suckers a second longer. Keep them to yourselves as long as it takes and then a worthy recipient will come along sooner or later, someone who gives back every ounce of love and goodness that you give out. Again, when we can't believe it for ourselves, we need to believe it for each other."
Sep 25 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
hooklineandsinker
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I did it because of you,

I did it because of you, Lisa, and all the other kind messages on here. I was waking up and imagining a razor on my wrist, but now I know that there are others who know what I'm going through and what I feel. I guess we have to face two demons. The first is the loss of our narcs, who promised so much and delivered so little. The second is facing life without their promises, ie mourning the things they promised us, trying to get over them, and then, trying to face the dating scene again (those of us who are still bothered to even try). The stakes are so much higher for us when we finally re-enter the dating scene. Will I be attracted to anyone? Unlikely. Even if I am, can I trust him to do what he says he's going to do? Even if he does, and I get over that hurdle, what lies down the line? Will he start sexually rejecting me/distancing himself/making snide remarks after a few months, the way the narc did? It's a minefield, and I don't blame any of us for hesitating, or opting out completely. I think those of us who do engage in dating again deserve a medal for believing in the triumph of hope over experience. I suppose what sent me over the edge tonight was waiting for a new guy's call this week which never came. I swear, my nerves simply cannot handle this charade any more. I don't know what it would take for some guy to convince me that he's sincere. I hope I know it when I see it. Once again, thank you all for believing in a future for me that I cannot yet see for myself. Blessings. HLS xxx
Sep 26 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
Lisa E. Scott
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Hookline

You give me far too much credit for helping you. You did it! You did it. You did it. We will have a conference some day where we can all meet. I plan on it and dream about it quite often. Also, before then, I'm hoping you will take me up on my offer to stay here in Chicago with me for a visit. Betty and I would love to have you! Reading everyone's responses to you brought tears to my eyes. Thank you everyone for being here and supporting one another the way you do. A HUGE thank you to Mariline who contacted me via Facebook on Saturday morning to tell me of your condition. The network of support we have here is amazing. Mariline in Italy, you in Dublin, me in the states and the list goes on. We are building an amazing community that we should be very proud of. Everyone here inspires me every day. I know I haven't been posting much lately, but that's because I'm still getting over a dream ending of an ex from college whom I never stopped loving and am working on the book and new website. You are all going to LOVE the new website and all of it's features. Chad is doing an AMAZING job! Better-off - I love what you said about Beta-Endorphins. Very interesting. Used - I love that you're having a love affair with your library. We must take advantage of the time we have by ourselves right now to really get to know ourselves and take care of ourselves. As I've said before, screw having a love affair with a pizza (from Eat, Pray, Love), let's have a love affair with ourselves! We deserve it! Love you all so much! xoxo
Sep 26 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
Mariline
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You're welcome. Hookline can

You're welcome. Hookline can add some days to her vacation and after staying in Chicago she can come to Italy for a plate of spaghetti with loads of parmesan and chilli-the beta endorphins after that HAVE TO increase :-)))
Sep 26 - 3PM (Reply to #13)
Lisa E. Scott
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Mariline

Oh, how delicious that sounds! Spaghetti with loads of parmesan! The endorphins will be flowing! :) Thanks again, Mariline! You rock! xoxo
Sep 25 - 8PM (Reply to #9)
faithinthefuture
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Lisa

I just want to say thank you for helping hook. She especially needed you today. And I want to thank you for helping all of us everyday. I sincerely don't know where I would be today without this web. I may not respond everyday but I am here reading and learning. I just want to thank everyone on here for your words. Sometimes I just don't know what to write after all that's been said and I can't write when I'm feeling low because I have not gone thru near what some of you have. It makes me feel weak and pitiful. And instead of writing about my woes I want to try to give strength to others who have been thru soo much more than I. God Bless Us All. You know what he has becuz we're here. ;-)
Sep 25 - 6PM
jen79
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Gosh I am happy you are better

I was really concerned, you sounded so down. You have seen the darkness and you have survived, there are always two sides of a coin, and you just saw the dark one and as terrible strong as it might was this pull, the light side is as strong as the dark side as well - never forget that. Maybe one day, you will be one of those people who can help people out in their darkest hours, cause you have been there where there are, the best teachers and healers are the wounded. Love and Hugs!
Sep 25 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
faithinthefuture
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jen79

I think we would agree she is one of those people who is going to help others out of their darkest hour because she has survived. Hook what we have been through and still going thru is pure hell and you proved to yourself today that you are worth it! Yes you had help from Lisa but you could've ignored what she had to say to you but you didn't. I'm soo soo very happy you are still here.
Sep 25 - 8PM (Reply to #3)
hooklineandsinker
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I sincerely hope I will have

I sincerely hope I will have the chance to help others out of the abyss I was in today. Right now I'm not strong enough because I know these feelings will come around again, but in a few months or years or whatever it takes for them to become a distant memory, if I'm still here (and I've been through these phases before - most recently before I met the narc, and then during my time with him it occurred to me how low I had felt before him, and I felt so silly for feeling that low, because here I was! with the love of my life! it finally happened for me! and how silly I felt for feeling suicidal before meeting him! Until he did the exact same thing to me, but worse, because he left me for another woman, which I had never experienced before) it would be my honour to help out others who feel as low as I've felt tonight. I suppose even if we're in the depths of despair, just talking to someone who understands, even if they've managed to back away from the edge themselves, is a godsend. What I'm trying to say is: it doesn't take a suicide survivor to talk someone else down from the ledge - just someone who knows the hell we've been through and has come through the other side, or is hell bent on coming through the other side. You people are heroines and I really think we should try and convene some sort of conference where we can meet in person and I can thank you guys in person. xxx PS: am a bit tipsy now on red wine but also blessedly sleepy. talk soon x
Sep 26 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
better off
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So relieved to hear that you

So relieved to hear that you feel at least a little better, and I like your comment that if you can't believe it for yourself yet, we can believe it for each other. And we believe it for you. I've been lifting you up in prayer. I wanted to make two comments about something you said about anti-depressants, and that you have had to take them after break-ups and you don't want to again, that just because men are shit, why should you take drugs? For one, we are very willing to take DE-pressants because men are shit (alcohol), so why not be willing to take ANTI-depressants. ;-) But seriously... something to think about: isn't it possible that you might naturally have brain chemistry that could make you prone to depression and feelings of isolation, and that dating a new man, or being with a man gives you an "artificial" boost in those chemicals so you feel "better"...and then when a break-up occurs, you have an even bigger dip than someone else might. And that for you, even though you are unaware of it, it "seems" like having a relationship is the ONLY key to your happiness, because of something as simple, and complicated!, as brain chemistry? I've done a lot of reading about beta-endorphins in particular (BE), and low BE is typically expressed by feelings of isolation. Isolation in particular, compared to other kinds of despair. AND, the kicker is, if you naturally have low levels of BE, the stuff that makes it spike will make you feel SO much better, better than someone else with more stable levels, and then you don't feel isolated... but when it goes away, it's an extremely black feeling. Higher high>>>lower low. Lower levels of BE by definition mean you feel things more, you feel pain more. Your pain IS worse than the average person. It's also what makes people more empathetic.. like the people on this board. We can feel OTHER people's pain too, and it makes us do stupid things. Well, not stupid, just not beneficial to us. I HAVE to take anti-depressants because my system just does NOT make enough of the right stuff. So I'm not taking it because my breakup was so bad, it's because if I don't take it, my feelings are too "strong" I guess. I have no buffer. Maybe if I'd been taking them BEFORE meeting the narc, none of this would have happened, ya know? Instead, HE was my anti-depressant. And the crash from going off it nearly killed me. Does any of this make sense?
Sep 25 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
anonymous
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So Happy to Have Heard from You

I know you're sleeping now.... but I'm really, really happy you spoke to Lisa and I'm really happy you're still with us fighting for yourself. I sent you an e-mail. E-mail me whenever you need someone to 'talk' to. (((HLS)))
Sep 25 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
faithinthefuture
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Aww

hook you are amazing! you truly are! When someone new or maybe even one of us who have been here reads how you felt yesterday and then reads what you've just wrote you've already helped someone. I realized today that what I have to accept is the pain from being with the N will go away and it will get easier but it will always be a part of my life. But instead of bringing me down I have learned a lesson. I am worthy person and so are you. And as much as you and I want to have a partner to share ourselves with if it doesn't happen I know I will have touched so many other peoples lives. And when I die they will remember me for who I was as me. not for who I was with. but just for who I was. And they will remember me as a good honest caring loving woman. That gives me peace. And white wine :-) And wouldn't it be just so kick ass if we could all get together and give hugs!? As much as this web gives me comfort there is nothing like real contact. Sweet dreams.
Sep 25 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
almostlydia
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So much wonderful support

So much wonderful support here for Hook. I hope you will see how much strength there is inside you now. This may be the most important thing I have learned thru all of this - how much strength I have to survive. Please start believing that if you can survive this, you can survive anything. It shows us a courage we may have never known that we had before. I have been where you were at, and I just wanted the pain to finally end because I had no hope that he would ever leave me alone. I felt that I could not escape him. But I have. I could never leave my children like that as well. Mostly, I found a great Faith that life can change any moment and we can be happy again. Just in an accidental moment. I know this is true. I'm so happy you found your strength. And Thank God for this site and Lisa and Betty and all the countless caring people who let you know tomorrow is another day to try again. It is the hardest thing, but you have many friends here who understand, who are struggling too, and who are here for you. You are not alone in your pain. And we know it better than anyone. So happy to hear your positive post today. Good for you girl. It is onward from here. almostlydia

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