I DON'T UNDERSTAND! Please help?

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#1 Apr 9 - 5PM
dazed and seeki...
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND! Please help?

So a week ago I found out about 3 more women the N pursued while trying to win me back/being in a relationship with me. That made the total 6 (of women I had PROOF of) - there are more, I just don't have concrete proof. After finding out about those 3, I just had it. I wrote an email and "outed" him to this brother and mother and cced him on the email. I didn't care. I wanted to do what I knew would make him the most angry at me so that he would stop with the hoovering and trying to beg for me back and make all of these promises of marriage, etc.

Then my NC started. REAL NC. And it wasn't hard! :) 7 days of solid NC - no checking emails, nada. And I didn't think about it much and it wasn't agonizing. I felt like I had done the ultimate thing to scare him away and to shame me from ever being a part of his life. I needed to do that, as inappropriate as it was, to kill the "relationship" once and for all.

But that didn't stop him!

He wrote me today. And said these things:

"I understand you want nothing to do with me so please know that this email is not an attempt to force myself into your life. We spent over three years together so more than anything I wanted to end things privately between you and I, not between you and my family. That being said I'll get to the point: I want to thank you for everything, you were an amazing girlfriend, beautiful inside and out. "

"I don't know if you'll get this email but if you do and if you want to maybe cut ties in a more personal manner then please give me a call, if not I completely understand. I just felt like I broke up with you and my family together and that didn't feel natural. But please know that what I feel or think isn't as important as what you need. You wrote what you did to keep me away so if you don't want to respond or follow up...it's completely understandable. As for me I will continue to be praying for you and for your spiritual life, your love life and your physical health."

"I feel like my whole world has come apart and knowing I caused it.....doesn't make dealing with it any easier. But as you know I"m not a quitter and I believe what doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

"I have learned how much I lost with my many errors and I am spending the necessary time looking back on everything and re-living all my mistakes to gain from it and just in case I don't hear from you again let me leave with you knowledge of one last thing. I think our relationship could work and that is something i would fight for and stand up for. I'd face your family and mine and all the battles and time it would take to bring confidence and comfort to that relationship. If one day this year next year or anytime before you or I are married to whomever you decide that this sounds like something your in align with please let me know no matter how much later in life it may be. I say that because I am going to respect your life and your need to pull away but just know I am a dreamer and one way or another I believe things come together for a reason"

"P.S Thanks for giving me so many chances, you are a fabulous woman and it was a pleasure to be part of your life."

He writes a lot more stuff about good memories, wanting me to reach out whenever, etc.

What I don't understand is this: Do they stop at nothing?! I just cannot believe how hard he is pursuing me. I outed him in front of his mother and his brother already. I don't know if some of you remember, but I was so furious, I wanted to out him to his boss as well (I posted about this - I never did it).

My anger subsided because I am too busy with school and work, but when I read this, tears fell. I forward to my therapist, because I know that my emotions aren't allowing me to think clearly. I have read and reread the email like 5 times already.

The thing is, his offer to provide closure is just so tempting. There are so many things I could say. But I don't want to, because I am afraid. I don't want to, because I know I am not ready.

Have your Ns pursued this hard? Even after you outed him or did what you thought was the worst thing you could do to sabotage the relationship???

Is he really doing this so that he can ultimately punish me?! Are they that vengeful???

Why won't he leave me alone?! Is he that desperate for attention? Do Ns have THAT much trouble simply being alone for a bit if they have NO supply? I mean, even for a week?

I know that those times that I ignored him, he was chasing after all of these women. So I assume they are no longer interested - but neither am I! Is he pursuing other women just as hard right now? Maybe those who were "OW" could attest to this? I have no idea what how far his "relationships" with the OW have been, but I have read some of your stories and at this point, I would put nothing past him.

Does he mean this? I know this: If I gave in, he would immediately get really happy and we would be "good" for a while. We haven't been able to get to the punishment part each time I broke NC, because I would find something out and retreat. Or I would retreat out of fear of reaching that point. Each time, *I* was the one that left and then he would hoover, and i could come back.

I really thought I committed the final act of ending this for him. I'm just shocked that he wrote this and was so nice about it.

UGH. Maybe I am just venting out of sheer frustrating and confusion and I know the answers I will get, but this is what I get for checking for his damn emails!!!!!!!!! Now it's occupying my mind.

It's also been really hard for me today, because the weather has been beautiful and it brought back so many good memories with the N. I realized that it was really sad to have loved somebody whom I shared fun adventures and experiences with, but could never be with because there was so much more lacking. and because he could never change. It made me really sad today to know that...

Anyway, thanks for listening.

Apr 10 - 8AM
helldweller
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Dazed

I could not believe how my narc would just keep going and going and going with me, no matter what. Even after I told his family and friends about his bullshit. Even after I called DCFS to report him driving drunk with his foster child in the car. Even after I called the police on him when he beat me up. Even after I called every person in his phone and talked to five of his other girlfriends. It's a little hard to remember when exactly he stopped talking to me, but I think it was when I told him I had slept with someone else after I found out about the other women. THAT was what did it. He couldn't take that.
Apr 10 - 1PM (Reply to #21)
dazed and seeki...
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helldweller, i'm so glad you

helldweller, i'm so glad you brought this up. my N asked me a few weeks ago if i was interested in anybody else. i didn't know why he was asking or what to say so i said yes (which wasn't true). and for a few days after that he wouldn't let it go. he said he was experiencing nightmares, he was torn about the news, etc etc. he was really upset or so it seemed. your story reminded me of my N bc it seems as though as soon as i find somebody else or sleep with somebody else, that breaks the deal for him. yet, like yours, he's been with SO many other women. what is up with that?! i mean that is some serious double standard - but it's so extreme that they don't see how transparent they are and should be ashamed to even hold such a standard?! I DON'T GET THESE PEOPLE AND I WISH I NEVER GOT INVOLVED WITH ONE!!!! UGH! sorry I just really needed to get that out. I am just so sick of their abnormal ways of dealing with things and how much it has affected me. :(
Apr 9 - 7PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Dazed

I say that because I am going to respect your life and your need to pull away but just know I am a dreamer and one way or another I believe things come together for a reason" I felt the need to highlight this sentence out of all the other B.S. If someone tells you who they are...listen... If you want to talk more, you can reach me via pvt. message. Hugs!
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #16)
dazed and seeki...
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Michele, thanks so much for

Michele, thanks so much for reaching out. I guess I don't understand what he is trying to tell me about himself here other than "I want you to know that I will continue to have faith in us"
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #17)
michele115 (not verified)
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Dazed

One calling themself a dreamer is a red flag... Dreams are based on fantasy That means when one is human...the "dream" becomes a nightmare for dreamers... Because dreams are fantasy and magic... not real life, real people, and the characters in the dream can't have real needs...
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #18)
dazed and seeki...
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Ahhh! Yes Michele. I get it!

Ahhh! Yes Michele. I get it! This is exactly how I felt throughout the relationship - like he never saw me for me. Every was like a dream/fantasy to him. For a long time, I found it endearing. Feeling like he was a child who saw the world in a different way. But it really had that consequence for me because I became some dreamlike figure to him (or so I felt) - it made him think of me as some invincible unreal being w/ no needs - only to serve his own needs. Wow, that is some astute observation you made! He needs to face reality and stop talking about being a dreamer. God, and to think I read it in the way that I did (above)! Clearly I have much to learn. :/
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #19)
michele115 (not verified)
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Glad I could help my dear...

Remember, they are master manipulators, they know how to candy coat, and get you trapped in their web. He needs supply and..."Tag" you're it. do not fall for this...even in thier professions of "love" and understanding and doublespeak...and there's a lot in that too... Essentially, he told you in between the lines WHO HE IS... ALL narcs are dreamers....they live on fantasy and in that fantasy, they are grandiose, never wrong, and you are beneath him, and he will hate you later for...being human because you won't live up to his "dreamer" perfect fantasy ideal. RUN AWAY my dear...NC! Hugs!
Apr 9 - 6PM
gettinbetter
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They hate to lose! He just

They hate to lose! He just wants you back so he can drop you on your head and say now that's what you get for trying to break up with me and if there is any breaking up ill be the one doing it
Apr 9 - 6PM (Reply to #11)
dazed and seeki...
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SOI, this is what I assume

SOI, this is what I assume since everybody says it in their posts and responses. I read this all the time. I guess I have to accept it and have faith that it's true, and to try not to stick my fingers in the flame again. Did your N do this to you? Did he "punish" you? The only thing that is just SO hard to grasp is how somebody could make such grand promises, take the time to write such long emails, all for the joy of punishing me. I want to scream - "just move onnnnnnn!!!!! and leave me alone!!!"
Apr 10 - 12PM (Reply to #12)
gettinbetter
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Yes! thats what all of round

Yes! thats what all of round 2 has been about. He is pissed that I moved on with my life and that he found me living a happy normal life still married to the same man. He resents the hell out of that. He also resents the fact that I am not available to him at his every whim. He is pissed and hes decided he was gonna make me pay for it. You see when he found me living a happy life he interepreted that as me winning against him and he wasnt gonna have it. Nope he decided he was gonna take me down and he paid me back with a version of what he thought I did to him by saying "Im getting married" That was him saying "your gonna have suffer with thoughts of me and my wife like I have had to see you with your husband"
Apr 10 - 1PM (Reply to #13)
dazed and seeki...
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SOI, it's weird. There seems

SOI, it's weird. There seems to be different things going on. If you see my response to helldweller (way up top), I feel like once I am married or with somebody else he will leave me alone. Yet I found out from the OW that they were either engaged or happily in a relationship and that didn't stop him. I don't understand what stops him and what doesn't from intruding in on a relationship. Your N definitely sounds like he is trying to get back at you. I mean if he is getting married why bother sharing the news with you instead of focusing on his so-called marriage. He obviously needed to brag about it to get it into your head. Don't let his white noise get to you. It's just background noise. Like a pesty mosquito buzzing in your ear. It's just so immature. Hold your head up high and push on past him, swat him away, and look forward. I feel like that a lot with my N. But I am not in a relationship now and I am single and alone, and I guess the hardest part was missing the companionship. But I am learning to be alone and to understand that that is better than being with somebody so abusive and bad for me. Good luck SOI. Focus on yourself and your healing. Don't let his games get to you!
Apr 10 - 2PM (Reply to #14)
gettinbetter
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The saddest part about it is

The saddest part about it is that I think it hurts him that Im married. Hes mad and frustrated about it. I think they have women in them that illicit a feeling in them but since they dont really know or feel love it creates a very anxious feeling in them and frightens them. In a weird way I have always known that I get to him eventhough if you looked at it on the surface it appears that I have 0 effect on him. Oh quite the contrary. Look he could have blocked my number months ago and he didnt. He could have said look im involved with someone months ago. He didnt. Nope he waited to that after I texted him that I was focusing on getting myself healthy. That he and I dont behave in a healthy way toward eachother and that if we are meant to be it will be if were not then were not and I was gonna leave him be now and that if he needed me Im here. He responded quickly with: Thank you. Just to let you know this is a business number not my private number. Im getting married to a nice lady named_______ in the fall. Good Luck and take care of your family. WTF? Now that its been a couple of weeks, I see how transparent it is. He wanted to hurt me and send me over the edge. He wanted his control over my mind back. Well wrong he went too far this time and I havent contacted him at all in two weeks now nor will I ever again. Round One he did something pretty horrific to me and that was the final straw. After that night I never called him or made attemtp to have contact with him again and Lo and behold 2 or 3 months later he was on my answering machine congratulating me on my promotion as if nothing had ever happened totally freakin bizarre. Any bets on whether I get a message from him this fall saying something to the effect of I couldnt marry her ba blah blah blah... or some seeming absent minded message intended for others saying something about his wedding. Mot of my friends are of the consensus that there is no wedding. Kind of hard to believe that a 44 year old man would now decide to share is stuff with someone else. If he is getting married you can bet its cause she has something beneficial to him
Apr 9 - 6PM
Deidre40
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OMG. I'm shaking reading what

OMG. I'm shaking reading what he wrote to you. Not kidding. OMG!!! The guy I'm with...he says all the time...''I'm not a quitter...'' And...''what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.'' I know that is not an original thought, but the fact that yours wrote this very thing to you gave me chills just now. I am sorry you've had to endure this...{{{hugs}}} I don't know why they do what they do. If he could do all of what he says...why is he losing you?? You know?? So...at the end of the day. They say whatever it takes to win us. We are nothing more than a prize. Seems flattering? But, it's not. Once they win...they either move on to someone else...or...they beat us down. Into submission. Physically or emotionally. Or both. And if you try to break it off. They go into 'warrior' mode...and fight to the death to get back that prize. Why? Because they feel angst in their aloneness. They don't like who they are...they have to have people around them...especially women who will shower them with praise, sex, etc. They don't like being alone with themselves, although many narcs ARE loners, ironically.
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
dazed and seeki...
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Deidre, your comment about

Deidre, your comment about narcs being loners is really interesting. It's hard to pinpoint whether my N is a loner or not. He requires attention, but he is a loner at the same time. You are right about this - do you have any idea why this is or what your theory on this might be? It's like sometimes, I feel like he's such a hermit, and at the same time I imagine him running rampant with tons of women. I remember your N was really controlling. My N was really controlling in the same manner. My N is also a southerner, and really got me with his southern charm. Unfortunately I didn't care too much about the control and overexertion of alpha male domination. :( But maybe this is why they sound so similar? Lol. The charm masked the narcissism well - at least with mine.
Apr 9 - 6PM
CarolKittyGale (not verified)
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I don't often make comments

I don't often make comments on here any more but like to visit the site and read but your post reminded me of letters narc/psycho #1 used to write to me and really wanted to say to you this is so carbon copy. Please don't get sucked back in you are on your way to recovery. You took back your power, please stay NC hun. They will try all sort to get back their control. Christ I have been split up 8 years from Narc #1 and he still chances his luck. I had two of these PD types and this is the way they hoover you back in. They are always SO sorry and feel they made a mistake and things are ALWAYS going to be different. They never are. This man cheated on you knowing that would hurt you there is nothing more to say he doesn't deserve his closure and it is just a ploy to try and get his control back. Now his e-mail has made you reflect and feel sad. Try had not to read it if he sends another one as that is part of NC too. I have opted out of dating for over 15 months now since finishing with narc #2 and I feel bloody fantastic. On hindsight though(hindsight is a wonderful thing,lol) wished I'd gone silent and not got caught up with wanting closure because it just gives them control but that is easy to say now I am at the indifference stage.
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
dazed and seeki...
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CarolKittyGale, I just wanted

CarolKittyGale, I just wanted to say thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me even though you don't normally write here much. Knowing that this email is merely a carbon copy is what I wanted to know. I needed confirmation that I am in fact not special (to him) and so his email is empty and just a ploy. It's a difficult thing to accept. Especially when his email is dripping with tempting sweetness. It's great to hear that you are doing fantastic - after surviving two Ns and while being single! :) I love hearing that and it really makes everything seem a little brighter. I think survival stories are always great on this site because a lot of times our darkness comes from not knowing what is ahead of us, and the desire to go back to what is familiar even though it was so bad for us. So congrats. And thank you so much again for putting in your thoughts as it has been really helpful. I cannot wait to reach the indifference stage!
Apr 9 - 5PM
Steph
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I think it's all about

I think it's all about control. You took control away from him by sending the email to him and his family....and that doesn't sit well with him. He wants things to end on HIS TERMS. They HAVE to call the shots. He writes well, but you know he is a fake. I mean 3, 6, 9, however many other women he was messing with?? He's clearly a good liar and charmer. Don't get sucked into his BS email. You don't need to meet in person to "cut ties". The ties are cut. xoxo
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
dazed and seeki...
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Staying Strong - he IS super

Staying Strong - he IS super controlling. I am just surprised he hasn't shown any anger or nastiness after my email. I expected it. I guess that was what was confusing about the email. It was completely unexpected. In fact, I expected never to hear from him again! I am surprised he wrote back to me the minute he got back from his trip. He's a total charmer. The biggest thing I am working on about myself is figuring out why I am so easily "charmed" when I know what lurks beneath that charm??? Am I really that superficial and egoistic? It made my question my own narcissism, although my therapist says I am definitely not one. It's just like I keep kicking myself in the butt and saying "why haven't you learned?!" I feel like such a broken record. I don't care about whose terms it ends on. I just want it to end! But everybody is right...there is no need to respond or to give HIM closure. Clearly he is asking for this but trying to make it sound like something "I" am asking for?!
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
Steph
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dazed...

He's all niceness now....it's the calm before the storm...IF you engage with him, there will be a storm! Why are you so easily charmed? Well, they are THAT good....when you don't know about the red flags, they suck you in and then BAM your hooked. Have you read "woman who love psycopaths, second edition" by Sandra Brown? She discusses the traits of women duped by these arses....and guess what? Low self esteem isn't the biggest trait that makes one suseptable. according to her research. Obviously sometimes it is, but there is MANY other factors to consider. Just a suggestion to read if you wish. Something might click in it for you! And don't worry about not learning the lesson. You will. It just takes awhile sometimes to really sink in! No worries. It's not a race to the finish line. You will get to the end of this when you are meant to, as long as you stay the course:) xoxo
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
dazed and seeki...
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Staying Strong, Thanks for

Staying Strong, Thanks for the book recommendation. I just looked it up on Amazon - the cover is scary and gave me the chills! Lol. This book interests me, because in all of this, I have been mostly trying to figure out what is wrong with me, because I want to avoid going through this again at all cost. It scares me and the pain was one of the worst I have ever been through. Thanks!
Apr 9 - 7PM (Reply to #5)
Steph
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You are so welcome, hope you

You are so welcome, hope you find it helpful. You loved, trusted, showed compassion and gave someone the benefit of the doubt. All the things that make us human. Sometimes these qualities bite us in the ass when we cross paths with the wrong person....an EVIL person. Rest assured, there is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING wrong with you. The book may help clear some of that up for ya:) xoxo