Hurting You Isn't Something Narcissists Do by Accident

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#1 Sep 3 - 6PM
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Hurting You Isn't Something Narcissists Do by Accident

by Kathy Krajco

In all the jabber about narcissism, the worst noise is this idea that hurting you is something narcissists do by accident.

If you get nothing else out of this site, get the message that frees you of that ridiculous belief. Which is nothing but a baseless assumption.

I don't ask you to take my word for this. Test what I say when I say that narcissists hurt you on purpose. Anyone can test any narcissist.

Here's how. The next time the narcissist is hurting your feelings or making you feel low, let your feelings show and tell him or her how they are making you feel asking them to stop it.

Be prepared for a shock. Any normal human being would soften and let up, but a narcissist will do exactly the opposite.

What does that mean?

Is revving up their engines, kicking in the afterburners, and running you right over an "accident" after you show your soft underbelly and beg them to let up on you?

It's no "accident," that's for sure.

Want to see a narcissistic rage? That's no "accident" either. The test: Just fall to your knees in tears begging them to have a heart and stop kicking you around like dirt.

The narcissist's response? He or she blows up into a rage. Is that rage an "accident" when nothing but how deeply they are hurting you provokes it?

No, it's a willful and wanton outrage.

Now hear this: THEY DON'T DO IT BY ACCIDENT. They aren't just "inconsiderate and touchy".

Test their "touchiness" (if you can do so safely, or have somebody not at the N's mercy test it - someone who can defend themselves). Rage right back in their face. Act just as wild right back in their face. Threaten right back. Speak abusively right back.

Now any normal person would be provoked to rage by your doing this in their face. But narcissists are so UNtouchy that they do the opposite. Watch how instantaneously the raging narcissist becomes meek and mild and switches to his "I-wouldn't-hurt-a-fly-mask."

Don't take my word for it. Test it. You CANNOT insult a narcissist who isn't in a position to bully you! It's impossible. Try it, you'll see. Your lack of vulnerability gives them skin a foot thick! (Not to mention a rubber spine.)

"Touchy" my you-know-what.

They aren't touchy at all. So perceived slights aren't what set them off. The VULNERABILITY of a TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY is what sets them off - IF there are no witnesses.

That's predation, not touchiness.

Narcissists aren't inconsiderate of your feelings. To the contrary, they are extremely considerate of your feelings. Your feelings are exactly what they are trying to affect. They closely observe how you react every time they do something to hurt you.

And they are like sharks, able to smell a drop of blood a mile away. Why? Because your hurt feelings are their pain killing drug.

They are addicted to it. Ever since childhood.

That's what their mental illness is, an addiction. (In fact, all addictions are classed as mental illness.)

So where do people get the stupid idea that narcissists aren't to blame for what they do?

It's asinine to think that narcissists can't control themselves when we see them controlling themselves perfectly whenever witnesses are present. So, what? being behind closed doors makes them suddenly out of control of themselves? Baloney.

Their problem isn't lack of self control; it's lack of conscience. Conscience is what makes people behave the same in the dark as in the light of day.

Okay, they have an addiction to trampling people. They are hooked on the childish high they get from throwing somebody down, stepping on the victim's back, and thumping their chest with a Tarzan yell.

But since when does an addiction amount to a carte blanche? An addiction is just a TEMPTATION. It doesn't remove the addict's responsibility to resist that temptation.

If a heroin addict sees you with heroin, he will attack and may kill you for it - IF there are no witnesses present.

But do we absolve him of his responsibility for the crime just because he's addicted to heroin? Of course not.

Same with the narcissist. Since childhood he has done this mind-altering drug of abusing people and is addicted to it. He addicted himself.

Yet addicted as he is, he demonstrates the ability to control himself by behaving whenever witnesses are present, misbehaving only when he thinks he can get away with it.

Innocence that is not.

He does what he does because nothing but getting his drug matters to him. So he has no conscience. He lives to get it, whenever he can get away with it.

So, hurting others isn't something narcissists do by accident. It's how they live.

The victims of narcissists MUST understand this. They MUST QUIT falling for the masks predation conceals itself behind.

I don't care how much the poor, little, ole narcissist whines that he didn't mean to, and claims that he has an excuse because HIS feelings were somehow hurt, and weeps about what a miserable childhood he had and how sad and forlorn he'll be if you go away, and all that crap. It's a joke.

Painful as this is to admit, the victims of narcissists MUST understand it. It's the bottom line. It predicates your choices.

Don't take my word for it: test and see. 2 + 2 = 4. Always. Even on Thursdays.

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Apr 9 - 4PM
herlatestvictim
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This is part of what hurts so bad...

I realized yesterday, after the N in my life treated me inhumanely (AGAIN), that so much of my pain was coming from not understanding how someone could be SO MEAN and MALICIOUS to another human being. The more I say, when you do X it kills me, the more she does it or she doesn't fix it or she justifies why it is being done. That crushes me. To think that another human being that I once loved could be so CRUEL to me. They do it on purpose. No doubt in my mind. They enjoy the pain of others. I have seen her enjoy the pain she inflicted on others, laughing as others cry, but STUPIDLY thought she would never be so cruel to me. WRONG AGAIN! Humiliating others, hurting others... is a sad game of power/control that they play. I wonder how many people have committed suicide as a direct result of the N in their life. The way they treat others is so similar to the bullying you see of teens who take their own lives.
Apr 9 - 12PM
CarolKittyGale (not verified)
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So true

All this stuff on here is my ex to a tee, hurting you isn't something Narcissists do by accident...Kathy Krajco is so right there....and I've experienced exactly what she has posted more then once...we knew each other for four years and were together for only fourteen months, he was younger then me....I thought it was because he didn't love me anymore and when he found someone straight away I was heartbroken...moved in with her after only knowing her for four weeks and was so spiteful when I was upset. Really homed in on my heartache. On a good day I sort of deal with it on a bad day it breaks my heart (today is a good day)as I think why is he so wonderful to her and he can't do that for me. He told me he was going to treat her better then me and he doesn't think he ever loved me and the more I cried the more he give it to me.Loads of horrible stuff came out of his mouth. He flaunted her infront of people we both knew and treated her well and of course it got back to me. They have been together three months now and I have stayed well away, don't know much of what is going on with him as, in this case, ignorance is bliss I feel and I know NC is the way to heal, and he hasn't been in touch for two months now, only know through a friend that he is having trouble paying his way and his mobile phone has been cut off because he couldn't pay the bill. Friends have actually told me that he may try to get his foot in the door with me again at some point on some level but he has someone new and I really told him what I though of him so I can't see this happening so I'm going about my buisness healing and getting on with building myself up again. This post and all the other stuff about narcissists so fits him in lots of ways, it's scarcy. He told me major lies about his life and his achievements and I mean MAJOR...when I found out the truth and confronted him he got very nasty. There was so much more and it is all so carbon copy of the other guys described on here. Thank the Lord for this site and all the info about these sort of people...I thought I was going mad but it is helping me heal and get the old me back as I feel like I have been in an emotional train wreck.
Apr 8 - 12AM
loveofmylife
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Ask them to stop

This article was unreal: "Here's how. The next time the narcissist is hurting your feelings or making you feel low, let your feelings show and tell him or her how they are making you feel asking them to stop it. Be prepared for a shock. Any normal human being would soften and let up, but a narcissist will do exactly the opposite. ..... And they are like sharks, able to smell a drop of blood a mile away. Why? Because your hurt feelings are their pain killing drug. They are addicted to it. Ever since childhood." Unbelievable.....yes, when I was taking care of my father who was dying of cancer in the hospital and received a hateful email from the N "it disgusts me that you haven't fired X. You have no spinal column".. I couldn't believe the insensitivity of it....because he knew exactly where I was at the time. So I email back "that's ok, just kick me while I'm down!" Later I asked him to please stop the harshness as it was hurting me. And his response "I wil l continue to point out where I think you need to do things differntly in this company and will not be concerned with "feelings"...... like he was the virtuous one. OMG.... And this is the man who I thought was my soulmate and the closest person in my life for many, many, many years.. Wow.
Feb 1 - 7AM
lesd
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Your Pain=His High

Yes Yes Yes. This is so true. I experienced this the other day. My N husband for weeks was talking about this woman on tv like she was the greatest thing sinced sliced bread. Knowing full well that she is the spitting image of a woman he cheated on me with. After telling myself over and over to keep my mouth shut and not react, I finally blew up the other night and called him on it. He took it as an opportunity to tell me that he likes these other types of woman because "They have a pulse" unlike me. The reason I don't have a pulse anymore is because I'm so emotionally beat down that my emotions are tucked away in a deep place as a survivial technique. Anyway, the next day it was like he won the lottery. He was bouncing off the walls with such immense delight. It was like someone had breathed life into him. I hadn't seen him this happy in months. Of course, it was because it had been a long time since I let him get to me. I knew exactly why he was on such a high, and it disgusted me. As long as I've been with him, I still can't understand how emotionally torturing someone can give him such delight. It's totally foreign to my understanding. I realize now that I will never get it.....EVER.

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I tell you how I feel, but you don't care. I say, "Tell me the truth," but you don't dare. You say love is a hell you cannot bear. And I say, "Give me mine back and then go there for all I care!" - Fiona Apple (Sleep to Dream)

Feb 1 - 8AM (Reply to #17)
GettingOut
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lesd

Mine had hit me one time and, most of the time I never looked at him. I was huddled protecting myself. This particular time I looked and he had a smirk on his face. He had enjoyed it. Another time he had said something quite nasty and when I replied in anger he actually jumped up and down, clapped his hands, yelled "ooooo, I hit a sore spot!!", laughed and then shimmied away from me. He got a hard on by upsetting me for crying out loud. I don't engage mine anymore. He's had a GF since June and I haven't mentioned her once. Not once. He's left receipts from dinners out with her on top of garbage cans, he's left empty card envelopes that have her name on it on top of garbage cans. He leaves things around he wants me to find. He has done some incredibly nasty stuff during the divorce and I haven't said a word. Oh, and his GF "knows how to have a good time" = drinks like he does. So, don't engage him and don't bother listening to what he says. It's all nonsense anyway. If he is saying someone else has a "pulse" it simply means they are giving him some supply and you, being pulseless, are not playing anymore.
Feb 1 - 12PM (Reply to #18)
lesd
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Amazing

It absolutely amazes me how these sickos think, and how they get immense pleasure out of causing so much pain. I will never get it. My husband's father abused him as a child....severely. My husband's survival technique was to mess with his father's head. He couldn't hurt his dad physically, so he did it mentally. I can understand what he had to do as a child, but to continue to use this technique against others who are NOT trying to hurt him, and not to be able to distinguish between the 2 just baffles me. I've never abused him or hurt, so why screw with my head the way you did with your dad. How can he or others feel such elation at watching people in pain? As I said before, I'll never understand it. ************** I tell you how I feel, but you don't care. I say, "Tell me the truth," but you don't dare. You say love is a hell you cannot bear. And I say, "Give me mine back and then go there for all I care!" - Fiona Apple (Sleep to Dream)

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I tell you how I feel, but you don't care. I say, "Tell me the truth," but you don't dare. You say love is a hell you cannot bear. And I say, "Give me mine back and then go there for all I care!" - Fiona Apple (Sleep to Dream)

Feb 2 - 6AM (Reply to #19)
GettingOut
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lesd

well, what I try to tell myself is that it's a good thing I don't get it. It's good to not understand it because, if I did, I might be thinking like he does. I didn't hurt mine either and really, that didn't matter to the N. My kindness, empathy, etc. were considered, at times, weaknesses. It was the good inside that he manipulated and destroyed. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that, as a person of goodness, how could you understand the maliciousness of an N? Can't apply logic to illogical behavior.
Oct 18 - 3PM
Carolyn
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This is well put and clearly

This is well put and clearly true. It is worse in some as they have levels of behavior now thought to be based on the lack of cellular development in the anterior lobe of the brain that limits their emotional intelligence. they are deadly and do terrible things to the people in their arena. A friend was telling me about a narcissist who was holding 'court' with some people at a party talking about what a monster his ex-wife was and how abusive she was to him and to their children that was why he had custody. this woman was flabergasted by this display of narcissistic cruelty. he had custody because he had so destroyed his wife that she committed suicide.
Oct 18 - 11AM
Barbara (not verified)
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hurting you is NOT an accident

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Sep 5 - 12PM
dolce (not verified)
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This is so right on! The N

This is so right on! The N finally left me right after I stopped "forgiving him" and "working on our relationship", and got right back in his face! He called it quits. He said "you win". Back then I took it as another of his statements meant to punish. (punishing me with abandonment, and blame). But now I say to myself, "yeah. I won. He's finally out of my life".
Sep 4 - 4PM
Marie
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Used to believe

You know I would roll many of the things he said over and over in my head because so much of what he said seemed like subtle put downs and insults. It was hard for me to get that it was done intentionally. It wasn't until things began to fall apart that I realized he was always mean to me intentionally. Of course I could never call him on it because I was crazy it was my low self esteem getting in the way. I'm so glad he doesn't bother me any longer.
Sep 4 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
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Marie

I feel that same way. Mine would always make comments about women that felt like indirect insults toward me. When I would ask him about it he would say "oh i don't mean you". Now i feel sure that he did in fact mean me......what were some of the things your N would say? Im wondering if it's the same as mine.
Dec 17 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
Amazed
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Mine would always make comments about other woman that felt

"Mine would always make comments about other woman that felt like indirect insult toward me" Oh YEAH!!! Been there big time. The indirect comments are what got me way brainwashed and manipulated. The odd things he would do. For instance,,looking at a Russian girl (way too young for him,,,sick) he would say " the KGB is after me and make random comments. He would notice she was wearing a blue necklace, and ask me "why don't you wear colorful jewelry" These insinuations got me sooooo mad. Such spite and hate in his comments,,,like I was an idiot for not wearing blue jewelry. Then he would put coins together so they would look like a Russian building,,stange to explain,,,,try going out with a psychopathic N ,,may be you will get it.
Dec 17 - 10PM (Reply to #12)
Barbara (not verified)
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Comments about Other Women - Designed to HURT you

Psycho-Boy and I had such a brief, colorless relationship in our teens... he never gave me a chance as a girlfriend (he said he would NEVER date a non-Jewish girl)... he ignored and dissed me... never even gave me much of a chance as a friend. (of course when he came back he convinced me that he was older & wiser... LOL yeah he was older, balder and WORSE than ever) So he would tell me all these salacious stories about other girlfriends, especially his ex-fiance and sometimes his wife... I felt like CRAP. Like they all got something I never did. Like he never stuck around with me long enough for me to feel comfortable enough with him to have a REAL RELATIONSHIP. It hurt; I told him to stop - that it was hurtful - and HE KEPT ON... now I realize that ONE: those 'confessions' sounded an AWFUL lot like his hooker reviews and TWO: he WANTED to hurt me. As if these other women were so much more WORTHY than me. Even now, almost 6 years later - he writes about me like I was a garbage-laiden slut and his wife is a wonderful woman (man, they way he talked about her during our emotional liaison would curl straight hair!) I also had the typical PTSD "freeze response" to what he said. He would just go on and on & I would sit there - frozen. Shock and feeling sick. That same sick feeling when my NMother would unload on me and tell me what a horrible human being I was and how I was lucky to be alive after all she'd "done for" me... just SICK. And when I finally called him on the stories about what he & the wife did last night - he got completely pissed. I cut him off for almost a month... but he got to my best friend and begged me so much I went back... just HORRIBLE how he made me feel. Like I was less than nothing. When the one who is LESS THAN NOTHING & not even human - is HIM! ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Sep 4 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
annamarie
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Mine would

Mine would almost brake his neck to look at other woman while we were out in public. At first I thought it was me then it kept happening. So I confronted him on it and he would blame me like I was being insecure. I'm not even like that. He was just being a disrespectful pig!!!!! He tried to make me jealous a few times and turn it back on me. He always put me down and said rude belittling comments. When I think back I get mad for putting up with it. They never change. He will build you up and then suck you dry!!!!!!

They never change. He will build you up and then suck you dry!!!!!!

Oct 18 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
Amazed
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Annmarie

Yes, they do like to build you up and suck you dry. They do all this, knowing they are doing you wrong. It is a game they play with themselves. I am glad you have chosen to stop playing his game, where he makes up the rules, and tries to hurt you. His life is nothing but a vicious cycle that we got caught in. We didn't realize it was happening, and the N liked it that way, thinking they had pulled one over on us. It was not very fun, there is more real love out there. Lets find it.
Oct 18 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
Ellen
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This is the hardest thing

Yes for me this is the hardest thing to get my head round. That a person can actually purposefully claim to feel love and yet watch and learn from you. Then take all they can including your identity- like its been said the invasion of the body snatchers. I'm worried cos i'm actually starting to understand it. There was a time i had no clue about intentional hurt. I always thought it was non intentional and that a person was confused or sad or unaware. Now i'm reading that a N will purposefully hurt you for a fix.....this one has got me now!
Jan 30 - 4PM (Reply to #9)
Ellen
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This is still the hardest thing

Hi, This one is still the hardest thing to get my head round and i still fight it all the time. If i could understand this fully on an emotional level all the time i think i would be healed. It's just natural to believe that a person wouldn't want to cause another pain if they say they love you. I was just thinking earlier that my exN normally tried not to go too far when it was just me but when he found someone new to work on it's amazing how he was so brave all of a sudden and cold go for the jugular.
Jan 30 - 7PM (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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Ellen

It's just natural to believe that a person wouldn't want to cause another pain if they say they love you 1. NOT a "person" NOT NOT NOT 2. a predator 3. ENJOY causing pain to others 4. You are an OBJECT to them 5. "i love you" = need toilet paper. It is a lure they have no clue what it means or implies; just that it gets them what they want. NOT A PERSON NOT HUMAN Print this article out - read it everyday ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Oct 18 - 10PM (Reply to #7)
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Ns dont do things because

Ns dont do things because they are sad, unaware, or confused. They do it because they want to and they can get away with it. Your pain is their sick pleasure. Its your reaction they feed on. Your denial is melting, Ellen. You grew up with a narc dad, so how can you say you didnt think this existed. When your dad dragged your mom by her hair (wasnt that your story?)..do you think he was unaware? Was he sad? How about confused? They dont add up do they. You know what makes sense. N's are abusers. Mine was, yours was. I think YOU are unaware. Confused. And sad. Right? You think these abusive men are supposed to feel like you but that aint how the world works! Let these realities seep through as you can accept them. The truth is powerful. You will grow strong. No one will mess with you again if you can walk through this process.
Oct 19 - 7AM (Reply to #8)
Ellen
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The only way out is through

Hi and wow it's so great to hear it objectively said. I'm glad my denial is melting. I really thought i had dealt with so much as i stayed single for 10 years. What i did was to stay away from men so i didn't get hurt. Also it stopped me from learning and growing in that area. Not that i would recommend these lessons to anyone. For me i needed this to have a true realisation of what it's all about. Yes i had a narc dad there is no question about that but i also had a mum in denial. This is possibly why i thought he was confused, unaware etc. I tried to tell mum that i didn't like him when i was 9 yrs. She didn't listen then spent the rest of my childhood showing me what a nice man he was, also while she was aiding and abeting his bad behaviour. I guess i lot the ability to listen to my instinc then. Actually in adulthood there has been occasions where i have known my dad to lie. I didn't know the true extent of his problem at that time. I thought my dad could be this way but not my ex. My ex knew me a long time as i said, i had no reason to think he would harm me. ....as it happens in our 2 years together he has killed a few birds with one stone............ He has made sure my family will never want to know me again by having a child with me (my mum and family know him and his wife) Has upset his now ex wife by getting together with me. Has proved he is not impotent by having a baby with me (even though it is still possible to be impotent i mean it makes him loook and feel better to have a baby) Has given me another family (his) to maybe get turned against me cos of his lies. This is with a person who was supposed to have cared about me for such a long time. Talk about duped and used.............i hate this feeling. You said: 'You think these abusive men are supposed to feel like you' My friend said this to me once and i need to start thinking this way. I am definately unaware, confused and sad. To the fact that a parent who is supposed to love me could hurt me so much in the first place. Thanks for your honesty 4joys, it brings clarity!
Sep 4 - 4PM
Barbara (not verified)
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for destiny (et al...)

SEE POST ABOVE ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck