How does one learn to LOVE themselves?

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#1 Jan 28 - 3PM
rache
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How does one learn to LOVE themselves?

My son/and his friend who is studying to be a doctor(shes 34)told me,that,i did NOT love myself and that is part of my problem that i did not love myself and that they think i probably think/thought i deserved to be abused/unloved/and that i didn't think i deserved anything good.I know my mother said that nobody would want me or could put up with me when i was young(kid).How can one LEARN to love self?Also,my eating disorder is back with a vengeance (bulimia)but it is different now! i sometimes forget to eat.

Jan 28 - 7PM
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

that's PTSD... are you seeing a trauma counselor, on meds? Loving yourself again takes patience and time - a LOT LOT LOT of time. It's part of healing. Stop expecting so much so soon. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #31)
rache
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Barbara

valium/ambien...as far as i know this shrink works with soldiers(at base too) so, i am assuming he see's a lot of PTSD.As for a trauma counselor i will have to ask him.He's a clinical psychologist.
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #32)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

you need an SSRI... I only use valium when my PTSD is extreme... on top of my Zoloft. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #33)
rache
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PTSd

i tested at a 16 on the test you posted here.Doc must have thought i needed the valium now-did mention prozac but i heard that causes hair loss
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #34)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache - medication

Prozac is pretty heavy duty. Here's some options for PTSD: Celexa Lexapro Paxil Zoloft Zoloft works well for me. Do some searches on the side effects of each of these meds. http://ptsd.about.com/od/treatment/a/medsPTSD.htm ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 28 - 9PM (Reply to #36)
tasha
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yes

I can vouch for Lexapro. As with most anti depressants and anti anxiety meds-give them time to work and it might seem things are getting worst-before they get better.
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #35)
rache
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Meds

Thank you Barbara. I will ask him next week when i have my next visit.
Jan 28 - 7PM
Carolyn
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loving yourself

page 31 of Stuart Wildes book 'The Trick to Money is Having Some' "Acceptance is the foundation of receiving it is also the way you pull people to you. when you can accept yourself and others, a calm exists all around you. that energy exudes an unusual power. People are fascinated by it. They feel secure within it and are automatically drawn to it. Once you accept yourself you do not need to create an abrasive attitude toward the actions of others even if you do not agree. When you put out negative attitudes you block your life energy's flow and create walls between yourself and others. The inner you is what you believe about yourself. By not buying into the negative aspects of others and being more tolerant you avoid being controlled by them and can direct your life in the way you want it to go." Here are some affirmations that you can say to yourself. Monitor your thinking and when you catch yourself thinking something negative about yourself or someone else just say one of these. I release these thoughts for my own well-being My mind is calm and relaxed I am at peace with myself and others I am filled with peace and harmony I am generous and loving It really doesn't matter I feel peace and harmony. I let go of this frustration for my own well-being I am relaxed and let go of the past The theory is 'what you think about you bring about' so if you monitor your thoughts and think about what you want to bring about- not what other people have tried to bring about for you-then you love yourself!
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #23)
rache
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Carolyn

Thank you!!!!! that really makes sense to me.all my life i was around negativity,so,its no wonder and i guess i shouldnt be surprised that it rubbed off/and,probably attracted negativity to me as well...i will absolutely start using these affirmations.Thank you once again.
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #24)
Barbara (not verified)
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affirmations

affirmations may work ONLY once you've calmed your PTSD down otherwise - if your PTSD is still bad, as it sounds like - they just bounce right off your brain. I'm not big on affirmations - they've never been scientifically proved to do anything but feed magical thinking. YMMV ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 29 - 4AM (Reply to #25)
Klarity Belle
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Affirmations

My analyst told me something about affirmations not working too - she said if subconcious core beliefs about the self were false then even when the conscious rational mind was repeating affirmations like a parrot, the subconcious self would discard them as untrue anyway. I try not to use affirmations this way but rather first work on becoming concious about a false core belief I hold of myself and then challenge it with reality and truth about how my self-esteem became so low. My mother installed most of my emotional buttons, now I am re-wiring what she put in so many years ago and I am learning to accept that this is going to be a life long process. Each true step towards self-recovery and life gets a little brighter. I have managed to get some EMDR sessions so I am hopeful this will help me to manage PTSD symptoms better. Be gentle with yourself Rache. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

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"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Jan 29 - 8AM (Reply to #26)
quietude (not verified)
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positive thinking

I think one must do whatever helps them feel better in the wake of an N's destruction. But personally, it doesn't feel natural to me to tell myself certain things meant to make myself feel better when I'm not really 'feeling it'--- similar to what you said Klarity Bell. Saying, "I am a good person, and I deserve to be treated well". Well, I already think that?? When I was with my N, I really never believed I deserved this bad treatment?? What helped me was to get angry, and tell myself, "how dare this person weasel his way into my life, interrupt my happiness with a false impression that he actually cared but did not". I tell myself I didn't deserve it, and that because I have certain qualities that are actually redeeming, he chose me. The only affirmation I try to live by is that I will do my best to not allow anyone like this into my life again.
Jan 29 - 9AM (Reply to #27)
Klarity Belle
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Sense of Self

Quietude, from reading your post it sounds like you had a strong sense of self before the N manipulated his way into your life. For me I didn't have a strong sense of self before and the N manipulated his way into my life. The difference between us would be that because of your strong sense of self you never really doubted yourself and after removing the N from your life you were after some time able to return to your usual 'shape'. For me I had self doubt anyway so it was a case of clinging on to fragments of a self for a long while. I eventually had a kind of crisis point from which I was able to emerge and challenge some core issues. With the help of therapy I found the small amount of 'self' I had developed up to the age of 7 and started to build upon it, work in progress! What I have found really helpful since discovering this blog is that anyone can be a victim of an N, they will go for emotionally stable or unstable alike - always goodhearted though so it appears! You are so right about using anger to help move forward. I find I am only recently getting in touch with my anger for N and it goes back 13 years - it is helping me to set the boundaries I need to for my children's sake and help them to do the same where their dad/stepmum are concerned. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

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"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Jan 29 - 10AM (Reply to #28)
quietude (not verified)
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klarity bell

I think I just knew that something didn't feel 'right', I had practice from my N mom. I have drifted away from her as an adult because she just didn't make me feel good about myself either(didn't put 2&2 together that she was an N until just recently!) Believe me, I still have insecurities just like the next person, and I was ashamed during this last relationship, thinking, 'my God, he is CHANGING me'...terrible feeling. He wanted subsurviance, bending to his every whim and need. I just got SICK of it, just like with my mom. The 'strength' I think just comes from necessity. Being a single mom with 2 kiddos kind of me that way. I wasn't raised with these values instilled in me...so, survival took over?? Still, I didn't see "it" coming when the N entered my life ~ who really can? They are masters at what they do. I'm so glad you did find this place too, it's such a blessing here. My first thougth was, 'you mean other people have been through this??' ha!
Jan 29 - 10AM (Reply to #29)
Klarity Belle
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So many of us!

There is comfort in being amongst cyber pals who 'get it'. It really helps with the residue of secrecy, isolation, humiliation from post relationship with an N. Similar to you, I only recently put my finger on it that my mum was an N too, I think cos she died when I was young and left me with some financial security I just felt too guilty thinking 'badly' of her so I buried my pain about it all until now. Now I see it all so clearly! My kids keep me on track too, I give thanks for them everyday - just a pity I have to co-parent them with the narc! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Jan 28 - 6PM
cynthia (not verified)
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I would also like to know this.....

why do I get mistreated for being caring and nurturing towards others, I have given things away to help others, like old chairs, couch for someones son in college, didnt charge them a thing for it and I always get shit on in the end. One time a friend and I were going to exchange christmas gifts well I gave her hers and she gave me NOTHING, I was really hurt as I spent over 30.00 on hers, it was just the idea that she didnt care and she accepted the gift and I never heard from her again. There are takers in this world and she was a taker, doesnt mean there was anything wrong with me, IT WAS HER that lacked manners and tact but NOOOOO I started blaming myself as usual thinking god maybe she didnt like me or something, why do I think that way, I also had a friend who said alot of women will be jealous of you because you are so pretty, that is so childish and its BULL SHIT Iam always nice to all women I dont talk about myself, I care about their problems and listen, I dont flaunt myself in the least, but some people are like that they automatically dont like ya because you are pretty, I see beautiful women all the time some are snoody and know they are beautiful and some are really very very nice people, I am not jealous of someone who is prettier than myself, I am always complimentary towards them but thats just me, alot of people arent that way. So how do you learn to love yourself, thats hard when you are a giver and get shit on by others all the time, pretty soon you start to think there is something wrong with you that nobody is appreciative of someone else doing them a favor just because you are a good hearted person. I get used alot, and I try to give those in need my help thinking they are down now in life and need help, I also gave her some of my childs clothes that were like new as she said she didnt have much to get them for school and she said that would be great. So I gave her a few things and a week later she was an absolute snob to me, WTF I never did anything to her except give her a couch and clothes I mean people are really weird. I am not giving anything to anybody ever ever again I am all done, I will only help those that are very close to me. I gave my psychopath a clock that was my parents when they died, because he knew my parents and I wanted to give him something from the family, and when I was at his house it was nowhere to be found, he threw it out, he lied and said he kept it by his nightstand ya right he could have cared less, it meant nothing to him well you cant go by that example I guess anyway. Is there something written on me that says, USE ME, ABUSE ME and take advantage of me I like to feel unappreciated and treated like crap when I do for others and GET NOTHING BACK. What is wrong with people, some are a dime a dozen and I guess I need to a bit more careful who I select to do a kind deed for. I dont know how to love myself anymore, I feel rejected, used, taken advantage of I feel maybe there is not much to love about myself? Nobody else seems to
Jan 29 - 12AM (Reply to #21)
fairy wings
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I used to feel this way,

I used to feel this way, however if I change my giving nature because others do not give or appreciate in return then I have to look at my motives. I know now that in the past I was giving because I had been taught to be a good girl. I gave because I thought that's what nice people did and I wanted to be nice. Now I know I wasn't truly 'giving'. When you truly give you do not expect an outcome or thanks and what that person does with the gift, whether that is money or an actual possession is entirely up to them; 'you gave it to them, it is no longer yours'a nd any attachment you felt goes too. If you are still feeling anger about giving then examine your own motives. If you stop giving you harden your heart and you build a self prison. I have also learnt that if you give with love it feels right. If the other person doesn't comment or doesn't like the gift etc etc, it probably says more about their ability to receive. Give when you want to give. I know and accept we all have different views here, however when you truly give you let go, no discussion, end of.
Jan 28 - 8PM (Reply to #20)
rache
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Cynthia

I too am a giver/big-hearted and very generous,and,you are right!Some people absolutely see us coming,but,wouldn't you rather have a heart that feels,even though,some/and or maybe even most seem unappreciative than not to FEEL at all? I LOVE my BIG HEART and YOURS! ((BIG HUGS))to you.
Jan 28 - 5PM
tasha
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I think

I've been working on this since last year after ex Narc pretty near destroyed me. Councilling has helped this along. I recieved alot of negative messages early in my life, from my mother and I was abused aswell. Councilling is a great thing! Sit down have a good look at yourself your stengths and weaknesses.Good Qualities that you have, Things that you have achieved in your life-obsticles that you have overcome in your life. And instead of listening to that negative thought process start replacing every negative self defeating thought with a postive one!!This is hard to do-you have catch yourself stop!then replace the thought. To love yourself you have to start thinking differently about yourself and throw away all the projections that others have embeded in you. You have to believe in yourself again-build your self esteem again and your confidence. Nuture self love by keeping away from those that have a negative affect on you. Resetting boundries with family and friends-decide how you would like to be treated!! If you don't love you-then nobody else will either, only those in similar mindsets. And nothing good will come of that. Believe that you are a 'worthwhile,lovable person'-and that 'I deserve'....I started with those 2 thoughts
Jan 28 - 5PM (Reply to #17)
rache
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Tasha

Thank you!I will do this,i am taking every tip and things learned here to start applying in my life now.My self esteem is poor but i know it will improve with work/time
Jan 28 - 9PM (Reply to #18)
tasha
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rache

I forgot to say-Meds and Councilling. Barbara is right you have to be doing both and then start, if you've got ptsd-you may be fighting an up hill battle. Get the bio/chemical stuff sorted, do the councilling and soul searching. Then work on the positve affirmations then self love/belief also confidence. It sound easy,sometimes it's not-i still have triggers that remind me of ex Narc, but I work though it. I'm 9 months Narc free!!I'm happy now, but not at full yet.
Jan 28 - 4PM
fairy wings
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Learning to love yourself

I think it is possible, however from personal experience it has taken a long time and I know there is a way to go. I can identify with what you say. I have had negative messages from a lot of people in my life, particularly from those close who were meant to love me. Years ago a neighbour of mine, a woman who was twenty years older than me, said to me one day, 'I think a lot of people are jealous of you'. At the time I had no idea what she meant as my self esteem was very low, although on the outside I think I have always appeared competant. Now I get what she meant. At school I was told I questioned too much, my mum always framed any talent I had as a negative quality, I was a drama queen, I had an over active imagination, I needed a soap box to preach feminism from, I was over sensitive and highly strung. She even called the GP to sedate me on one occasion. Then my dad rubbished my academic ability saying I had concentration problems, I was thick, slow, stupid, and because I had problems spelling he always got me to spell words to give his friends a laugh! They both compared me to my sister, who (apparently) was quieter, prettier, had the right friends, etc. She also did well at school. No wonder I stayed married to an unemotional man who put me down for twenty five years. He still treated me better than my parents. He used to tell me I couldn't distinguish fantasy from reality when I said I would love him to praise me or compliment me, or just be pleased for me when I had some success or other. He said that only happened in the movies. He also said of friends who bought their wives flowers that they must have a guilty conscience. When he met the woman who is now his wife, he bought her flowers, he bought her jewellery, he took her on holidays, all while he was still living with me. When we divorced I went to University aged 41 and there I met the most charming man. He adored me, he bought me presents, made an effort, praised me and we moved in together. Three years down the line he started hitting me. He told me I was over sensitive, a drama queen, I lived my life in my head, I had an over active imagination, I was thick, I was full of feminist shit, I was mean with money like my dad,mental like my mother, and 'people' had a problem with me. When I finally escaped from the torture after six years, leaving with what I could get in one small car, I barely knew how I would keep myself from going under. Loving myself wasn't on the radar, however as I have moved forward I have realised if I don't love and value myself I will be abused by others again in the future. (There are abusers in all walks of life) I don't think there is one easy answer as to how you learn to love yourself and I think it will be different for everyone. I guess I have stayed around people who give me positive messages about myself, and in truth there have always been plenty of those, but for some reason I chose to believe those who said bad things about me knew me better! I guess it matched the shame I felt inside. Now I know my mum and dad brought infuences from their pasts to the life they made together. I think they were frightened of a daughter than didn't fit what was expected in a small rural community. I have gradually learnt to love myself. It started with me looking for evidence of all the negative labels people had pinned on me and I also looked at who was succeeding in life against all the odds - it was me, (often not my critics, so I must be doing something right. I then gradually began to believe in me. I also looked at the times in my life I had gone with my gut feeling and at these times the outcome had been good for me. I could see that when I let others persuade me to their point of view things didn't go so well. I also started listening to the criticisms and got braver in not taking it. I started saying things like, 'I hear you have no faith in me', 'I hear you have no respect for me', 'I hear I don't make you happy'. I stopped taking responsibility for others and I started erecting boundaries. I did a lot of work on myself. I also started listening to those friends who said 'I think you're amazing', 'I wish I could have done half of what you've done', 'you've got an incredible brain'. I also gained a new friend who said she thought a lot of people had been mean to me because it suited them when I wouldn't conform to what they wanted and she said she thought it was so cruel that they had done it in the name of love. I now know I am analytical because it suits me; it's my way of knowing the world. I do analyse everything and I still question. It may not suit you, but its fine for me! I'm intelligent, and yes my brain does flit from one subject to another and that makes me good at project management; I manage four projects at work, no problem. I love drama and role play and use it in my work with students, I have an imagination that comes up with creative ideas, and it's fun. I love putting these ideas in to my work, my home and my hobbies and in to my life in general. Yes, I am sensitive and intuitive and I have a huge capacity for empathy for my fellow human beings. Consequently I'm valued as a member of the team at work and by my friends and neighbours and those I come in to contact with through my work. I do have a different way of processing information. I'm dyslexic and now I understand how my brain works I understand why I had trouble spelling. It takes a lot of concentration to get the results I do. I've always gravitated towards unconventional friends because they seemed to judge me less and understand me more than my parents middle class high achieving friends did. I bought myself a copy of, 'When I love myself enough' by Kim McMillen and I read it slowly out loud to myself every day until I could draw on those quotes without the book. As the first quote reads: 'When I loved myself enough I quit settling for too little' Just in case I forget I buy myself flowers every week! I hope some of my story helps.
Jan 29 - 1PM (Reply to #15)
totally confused
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Your story is amazing Fairy

Your story is amazing Fairy Wings and it should be inspiring for all of us. I really admire you for all you have gone through and the way you have been able to overcome it, both cognitively, thanks to your analytical brain, and emotionally, conserving a warm, loving and compassionate heart, in spite of all the damage. You should be very proud of yourself. And I extend this to all the other women on this board who have suffered, ever since childhood, abusive experiences like this.
Jan 29 - 4AM (Reply to #14)
Klarity Belle
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Inspirational

Your story of how you turned it all around is very inspiring Fairy Wings. You sound like a strong woman who has kept her compassionate nature and kind spirit but I bet folk don't come dumping their crap on you anymore! I guess sometimes we get so used to being dumped on in childhood by those who were supposed to nurture us that it becomes a habit to allow it to happen with significant others in our lives too. The majority of human beings can't stand feeling uncomfortable with their issues and problems and are always looking to offload it somewhere. Like you, I am learning not to accept any one else's excess baggage, goodness knows I have enough of my own to sift through still! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Jan 29 - 1AM (Reply to #13)
Kelly
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Amazing

Completely inspiring! Thanks for posting this.
Jan 28 - 5PM (Reply to #5)
rache
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fairy wings((HUGS TO YOU!))

I too have been called stupid(dad).My friends (ex friends now)called me "CRAZY"said i'd be in the nuthouse(because i did not fit THEIR definition of normal)-both of them on psychiatric meds.I tend to analyze/question,and,people have accused me of loving drama.I have ADHD but still managed to test top 25 in the nation in language/vocabulary/reading/spelling,although,i have a math disability along with the ADHD.i have been thinking of going to college but at 53??????I must be loony!LOL
Jan 29 - 6AM (Reply to #9)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

I have an ADD Child. They tend to be VERY VERY bright! Have you thought about Wellbutrin? Would help with both the depression & the ADHD. Prozac, I don't think, is not recommended with ADHD ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 29 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
rache
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Wellbutrin

My regular doc-a woman, wanted to put me on this several years back.she said it would also work for my eating disorder.I didn't try it(i'm actually a lil bit fearful of meds-side affects,but,know i have to for this PTSD now.
Jan 29 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
Klarity Belle
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Wellbutrin

In the Uk it is used as a smoking cessation drug but I had heard it was great for depression. I managed to find a health service psych who would prescribe it for me, I was on it for around 18 months and I have to say out of all the prescribed meds I have ever tried it worked the best. Down side was I took a grand mal seizure and had to quit it, it can be a side effect of long term use. I ended up researching and finding a good med combo for me but am currently off them coz of the expense. It is hard without the support of meds - reckon i'll have to give in soon and find the cash to get back on em again tho. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Jan 29 - 1PM (Reply to #12)
rache
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Klarity Belle

that was one reason why i am so iffy about drugs=side effects can be very bad,sheesh! i guess its a trade off...