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#1 Sep 12 - 7PM
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Second guessing if the butthead is a narcissist or had a relapse. Just saw his daughter post that he's in VA hospital and now am worried sick. Maybe he was acting out because he was covering his use. I know I can't help him though this but I've said some God awful horrible things. Someone shed some wisdom, the guilt is killing me.

Sep 13 - 6PM
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DUPLICATE by ERROR...SEE Follow up to HELP/new message.

Subsequent to my "worry" I sent an email to the daughter. They are somewhat estranged, he signed away paternal rights years ago when he was "using". Her mother died of Aids. I sent her a note on FB basically saying I wasn't trying to intrude, but was expressing concern (we never met). She clarified that it wasn't her biological father but the man that acted as her father; however, before I heard from her, I broke down and called him. I asked if he was okay, where was he etc...I asked was he in the hospital at all (funny because he probably now has NO idea why I was asking this and officially thinks his crazy making has worked. LMAO)...Anyhooo. I sent him a missive last week: My Dear Little Narcissist, There is nothing more that I wish for you but that your world is filled with many experiences which will enable you to grow and develop into a real man and by default develop some empathy. I therefore cast out into the universe thoughts of your personal growth so that you may become a real human being and not just the empty shell you are that exploits, emotionally violates and uses others in the sadistic fashion of which you have grown accustomed. For that reason, I have been inspired to document my well wishes so that the universe will take care of your satanic soul... I wish you a very long life...say to age of 105. By that point, you should be in diapers shitting on yourself, confident that by then, there will be no one left to wipe your ass...an ironic twist of fate given the shit you've left others to clean up, and with it may you also have perpetual diaper rash. I wish you an extreme, non-responsive to surgery case of hemorrhoids...not just regular hemorrhoids, but hemorrhoids that bulge so far out of your ass, your pant size is increased due to the discomfort...and may they itch for all eternity. I wish you frequent herpes outbreaks that spread all over your face so that when you look in the mirror, you'll remember that you are not always ahead of the game and somebody had one over on you - at least once in your pathetic, game playing con-artist lifetime. Nobody gets herpes from a crack pipe. I hope that you never have any other choice in life, but to remain at your current place of employment...dead end jobs are the best for dead end people...and I hope that every day you work there, you continue to feel degraded the more they treat you like a "boy" incapable of finding better work, desperate and hence enslaved. Upon retirement, may they instead of a "gold watch" gift you with a used tuxedo. I hope that every woman you try to con, is wiser than you and plays you better, leaving you feeling as inadequate as you really are because actually, the harm you do and the superiority you feel doing it is just a ploy...deep down you do know you have a small penis and you aren't the best with personal hygiene. I hope your ex-wife heals and actually meets a great man that can be a real father to your young child and that they are kept safe from your twisted demonic mind. I hope you never get tired of being sick and tired....I wish you a desolate, poverty stricken, life where the only thing you can do is sit in that box of an apartment of yours - which I also hope is blessed with a bed bug infestation. May you be too poor to ever afford cable and may your only true friend be the rat that will inevitably make his way into your apartment once the winter comes. You can name him Wilson just like Tom Hanks did in Castaway. I hope your next sexual encounter with either a man or a woman results in crabs! A new unknown species that does not respond to conventional methods. Do know I want you to live a very long time through it all. I hope all your children become successful and when your narcissism is in full throttle all prepared to take the glory, they publicly shun you for the piece of shit you've been-having used them to make yourself look better and fully realizing that their father is a fraud and maybe a fairy. I hope by now you only shoot blanks so that other children do not have to be brought into this world to suffer and women will at least be able to make an escape once you've driven them mad...the pattern is abundantly clear now - the only thing we have in common is YOU! I hope all your teeth fall out and that you will never have the ability to afford dentures but instead must resort to self made chicklet implants on hot club nights with the buddies - desperate times require desperate measures. I hope your hairline recedes halfway to the back of your head and you grow a really obscene hairy black mole on that gargantuan nose of yours so hairy, it will be hard to determine where the hairs in your nose begin and the hairs on the wart end! I hope you develop an extreme case of Irritable Bowel Syndrome that is precipitated by simply looking in the mirror...Narcissists spend a lot of time there, so expect lots of burning ass from reasons other than those noted above and...ahem...the alternative options you've explored, putting others at risk for AIDS. I wish you a lifetime of incurable halitosis so that when you try to get cozy with some hot babe, stud or tyranny, they are repulsed by the noxious fumes that emanate from your mouth...in fact may each of them exclaim in horror! OMG...what is that SHIT I smell?! Totally unaware that is not only coming from your mouth, but from the words you speak. You make a good case for wishing abortion could be retroactive, but it is much more comforting to rest on the universe to settle the score hence you are one case where retroactive abortions would not serve to bring me joy. It took a lot of soul searching but the only remedy is complete and utter disdain for such a lowlife such as yourself. In your last dying days, I hope you find God...convert to Islam and really believe that you will get your twenty virgins. In fact, I hope you do! I send out my last wish to the universe that when you encounter them, they're all transvestites with permanent 5 o'clock shadows, big crusty feet, hairy legs, love to play a sweaty game of basketball all day and are aggressive nymphos.... Be blessed my little Narcissist... And of course, during my moment of panic...I mean what if he's passive aggressive and a little fucked up but not a narcissist (although I prefer to see him as a narcissist and move on) there was something nagging and the need to make amends/peace if by chance he was on his death bed...which happily or unhappily? he's not...LOL I did not get into a big conversation, just said was glad he was okay. He said something like "I thought after the last message I sent you I would never hear from you again" to which I replied, I never got your message because text and incoming calls from you have been blocked. Stupidly, I asked, what did you say...DUH...he said, I rather not say because I don't want to get sucked into negativity. I said okay, fine, glad you're okay and hung up. Then I sat there and had a sense of guilt for the above evilness...I mean, okay he's a shit and should be tarred and feathered but that doesn't mean I have to stoop to that level. So I sent him an email that said: I've called off the curse of 1000 locusts and when your time comes I doubt the basketball players will be waiting for you. Be well and in God's care. That was what I sincerely meant...some kind of pseudo closure while I continue to try to heal. WELL...I check my phone today because even though he is blocked, I can still see if he calls, and he called and left no message....hovering I know but in order to arm myself, do you think that the table will start to reverse? I don't necessarily want to communicate with him, and quite proud that I did not call back, guess I broke NC yesterday, but I really wasn't trying to start the crap up...comments???...I don't know...this is such a sham. I was all over the map today even before I knew he called, crying, upset...but got past it...happy I resisted the temptation to call...but GEESH...passive aggressive and treatable or narcissist, or some other RX...this is really mind fucking.
Sep 12 - 10PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Thank you all

for your input. Just learning how to navigate this site...it gets confusing trying to follow up on posts...aye. But sincerely, thank you. I have a feeling I will be addicted to this site for quite some time, but am happy I have had the blessing to meet so many people who understand. May the higher power bless all of us.
Sep 12 - 7PM
hopefuljms
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They do anything for

They do anything for attention and I would bet he is hoping that you see what his daughter posted. They always for for sympathy. Mine did it all the time. You can't be angry with them if you feel sorry for them. Mine tried that the last time I saw him and I wasn't buying it. He kept saying how lightheaded he was and I wouldn't appease him and ask what was wrong, I just kept telling him that it was because he was around me :)
Sep 12 - 7PM
gettinbetter
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Do any of these stories seem

Do any of these stories seem familiar to you? because when I came here and started reading posts it was like someone was living my life. NARCS behaviors are eerily similiar. They all behave in the same strange ways with some variations but basically the same.
Sep 12 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
michele115 (not verified)
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Stories Similar

The crazy stuff only started happening since May. We had some problems, I fell into a depression, I caught him cheating on FB. I threw him out. We went back and forth but he may have been acting out due to a drug relapse I did not detect. He allegedly had been clean for 18 years but he may have fallen off which would explain the erratic behavior vs. his being a narcissist. Don't know what to think.
Sep 12 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
gettinbetter
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hmmm I dont know what to

hmmm I dont know what to say... other than usually if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck its usually a duck. When I first started visiting this site, I was in denial I kept looking for posts that would prove to myself that he wasnt. Where I could say he doesnt do any of that. The majority of the posts were behaviors that he had exhibited especially the one about the phone control. I have always known something was right with him but I never knew what it was. Now I do. So look at my post about the gay thing. Why do you think he could be gay?
Sep 12 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
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Your Post about the Gay Thing/sick of it...

Where is it again?... Why I think he's gay or bi?....when we were going through all the crap, after finding out about a FB thing with a woman three hours away, I happened to find a message from him to an openly "gay" friend that he "allegedly" met in a storage facility and he "noticed" the NA keychain and they started talking and "became friends" during my obsessive phase checking his phone and what not, I happened upon a message from him to the gay guy which read: I guess I must read between the lines and realize we are officially divorced. Sorry for any grief or confusion I've caused you but it is easier to jet than to stick and stay for whatever reason. I am on a different journey my friend. When I questioned him, he said: "Don't go there" I held his phone and took it hostage, went to a friends house and he hunted me down about one a.m. and was in a rage. I found this chilling as he seemed overly defensive and protective. He denied being gay but never answered the question. I thought of every scenario, but deep down thought to myself, even if say the gay guy hit on him and he wasn't into that, why would he be so hell bent on not clarifying. The rest after that was pretty much history...at one point he said lets go to church and counseling. The following weekend when I tried to call, he was AWOL late at night. That pretty much sealed the deal for me although deeply hurt by the mixed messages and sort of mind fucked.
Sep 12 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
gettinbetter
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Oh gosh

While I dont know it sure would appear he's been expirementing. Im trying to to find my post about the gay thing. Read and tell me what you think. Ill let you know as soon as I find it its kind long and I dont wanna retype if I dont have to
Sep 12 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
michele115 (not verified)
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Gay Issue

Posted on the Male Victims board.
Sep 12 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
gettinbetter
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Oh gosh

While I dont know it sure would appear he's been expirementing. Im trying to to find my post about the gay thing. Read and tell me what you think. Ill let you know as soon as I find it its kind long and I dont wanna retype if I dont have to
Sep 12 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
michele115 (not verified)
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I think that despite all we may try to deny...the gay thing is..

Something else we'd rather not face. If you think about it, the narcissism, and perhaps hating us more for being the gender we are that they can never naturally be, their being in the closet, yet we are the perfect beards...I think your hunch is correct, and sadly, I think mine is too. Or he's a sex addict?...I don't know. Mine had a history of past crack addiction and claimed to have been raped as a young man. Who knows...maybe setting me up so if pandora's box ever opened there would be yet another thread for sympathy? Understanding? All I know is that the fear of AIDS was not fun to live with. I swear, we spent three great years together, but I started coming undone about a year ago...my mother has some kind of personality disorder, laid a lot of shit on me, and did something that triggered a depression. I resented him for lacking "empathy" and fell deep into the throes of depression. When I found out he cheated, he tried to justify it and said I was unfaithful by neglecting him because of my depression...WTF. Moreover, I have Fibro and CFS and other challenges which make me prime for depression anyway, but I always felt he never showed compassion or empathy or that I was "faking" my illness. Something I deal with from everyone on a daily basis, but I tried hard to show him information and share with him and he just seemed disinterested. Slowly I lost myself. Still very depressed and need to do a lot of healing work. Very frustrated as the therapists I've tried are not really all that great and it feels like a waste of time. In reading on mental health, somewhat scared, as I find some personality disorders think they are smarter than the therapist. That isn't my problem, but I want someone who will really challenge me or help me and I don't know where to turn. I don't want to just do meds and call it a day, I want this crap outta me ASAP!
Sep 12 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
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michele115

We have had muuuuuuch discussion about the gay thing on this site because it is completely perplexing. But Goldie made an excellent argument that they get their drug from wherever it comes, doesn't matter what. I listened to this exN talk more about 'fu*king in the a**' and getting blow jobs than any man I have ever met in my 51 yrs. (Sorry for being so crude). Apparently others here have the same exact experience. I have gone round the map on trying to figure it out but now believe that Goldie's argument was completely accurate. For us, or at least for me, however, this was the final end and thank God. Being completely confident that the OW the exN had been f*cking behind my back for 2 or 3 yrs was a MAN was enough to make me walk away forever. I too spent many years researching 'sexual addiction' thinking that that was what he was. I didn't know about the 'somatic N' at the time and still am not sure I could distinguish which he is. So I just say he is an N who is probably a sex addict as well. I can tell you I know about all there is to know about sexual addiction after years of research. There is little hope of recovery there as well. It is one of, if not the worst addiction of all. Whatever category he may fall under, you deserve better than this. That really is the bottom line. It is a long way out and I will never do meds to get there and I'm getting there just fine. We are here for you. Unfortunately, there is no ASAP where this is concerned. In the end however you will be a better, stronger, more confident you that doesn't take any sh*t from anyone. The key is getting educated, reading as much as you can and understanding. The more you understand, the more you can accept and move on. This is most possible when you get them out of your life thru NC. Much strength to you. It is a hard road ahead but we are all here to travel it with you. almostlydia

almostlydia

Sep 12 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
almostlydia
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Also

Also, when you understand that the somatic narcissist gets his admiration from his body, the gay thing begins to make more sense. almostlydia

almostlydia

Sep 13 - 4AM (Reply to #10)
Alive
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My ExN

admired his body to the full. This is my first post so please excuse me if i get this wrong!. I was on a trip with him and we went to a gay venue. I thought that he would never attend this venue,as it was, now i know he is a N he actually loved all the attention. Makes sense to me now :)
Sep 12 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
gettinbetter
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Ive read that alot of

Ive read that alot of therapists miss the npd. All I can say is if the stuff your reading here seems all to familiar and if your having that sick feeling in your gut then he probably is a Narc. When I came here, I could hardly read the posts fast enough. The whole time thinking OMG OMG he is one. I dont know if mine is experimenting with guys, but at the very least I think hes into something "different" Guys just dont have pictures like that taken of themselves. Now I will say this he is in love with his new body so maybe thats it. The sex incident plus those pics it all has me very creeped out