he asked me to help him

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#1 Aug 1 - 7PM
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he asked me to help him

today after somethings have sank in after talking about the project yesterday...

he actually asked me for suggestions-

supposedly when he used to talk to me during the day it was very draining for him-and after we got done on the phone he still wanted to continue to talk to me and he couldnt so he was unable to perform any work.he did nothing after we would talk.

I was puzzled by this really- to think there is some truth in this... However, he also said there are people he avoids because he cant get them off the phone (um he would never get off the darn phone and he was never like he is now) hurtfult o hear something like that.

so as he seemed to really want my help I told him I was not a therapist I can no longer try to help or fix him.

I said usually people like him and myself dont mesh...as I always have time to complete all projects etc and still take multiple breaks a day... in fact talking to friend during the day gives me a boost to keep on plugging during the day.

I also told him that even though he no longer talks to me on the phone- there will still be something else, someonelse...because it is who he is. ( he didnt want to admit this, but it is so true) He is incapable of just working...
he also once again tried to take on part of the project he doesnt need to and i refused his offer stating that he would only turn around and tell me I cost him time and money and demand payment.

Like I said a lot of what was said did not sit well with me...and I am working thru that today.

He also admited that the gf- thinks he is a fool for continuing to get back involved in the project- so he admitted he had to lie to her about me... to save himself basically but how on earth does she NOT know what he is. NOT know - is she that snowed, seriously that she thinks I was using him... he kept quiting and demanding stuff be paid when he offered it free etc- he said we can no longer talk at nite because of the gf (wth did he tell her about me) jerk!

today- I am sorting thru it, processing all of it, but to be honest , there is no telling anymore what is the truth. Good thing is it seems after next month maybe the project will be done...i can only hope.
Seriously asking me for help.... really? So, again it is when he wants to talk he will...and he made it clear when he needs to get off the phone he has to get off the phone ( i told him to not bother to call I wont answer) I mean really no one behaves this way!
the thing with this situation is I dont know if he is really busy or this is just some control thing, something to save face with the gf(who thinks he is a lug) or what...either way it doesnt work for me..such a drastic shift...too drastic...oh and he said to me that usually friends are understanding when it involves a change that a friend needs to make to survive..

hopefully the project will be done an over with sooner than later sometime next month. I always seem to feel some sort of anxiety 9what is that feeling, anyone know?

Aug 4 - 12AM
fooled no longer
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Every time you stick your

Every time you stick your hand in a pot of boiling water you are going to get burned. EVERY TIME. This is no different. Every time you speak with this guy, you will be left feeling anxious and awful. EVERY TIME. SO true so true..
Aug 3 - 7PM
Susan32
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If he wanted me to throw him under the bus...

Or give him a Judas kiss, I'd GLADLY help. With a smile on my face!
Aug 4 - 4AM (Reply to #8)
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susan32

OMG SUSAN ,THIS CREEPED ME OUT, THE LAST TIME I WAS WITH NARC....I KNEW I WAS FINISHED WITH HIM....HE DIDNT..I ACTED FINE...THEN AS I WAS WAITING FOR A CAB HOME...I KISSED HIM ON THE CHEEK,AND THOUGHT, MAKE THE MOST OF IT, YOU WON'T EVER GET THAT AGAIN...YOU WILL ONLY GET MY SILENCE...JUDAS KISSED HIM...I THEN DROPPED HIM AND BETRAYED HIM...AS I SAT IN CAB HE WAS STANDING THERE SEEING ME OFF...I SMILED AT HIM AND 22MNTHS DOWN THE LINE I HAVE STILL NOT SPOKEN OR AKNOWLEDGED HIM...HE LIVES DOWN THE ROAD TO ME....SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHO THEY ARE WITH AND KNOW THY ENEMY..
Aug 4 - 9AM (Reply to #10)
Susan32
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Strung him along for the triangulation that never happened!

After the final D&D, I gave the ex-Psych prof the idea that he&his girlfriend would be coming over for a housewarming. He was REALLY excited about it, told me how generous I was. It NEVER happened (mainly, the living arrangement didn't work out with these classmates) The ex-P would constantly beg me for my address&phone number... I'd hold out the hope I'd tell him... and NEVER did. Mainly for safety reasons. "Sometimes it would be in their best interests to pay attention"-The lack of empathy leads to Ns/Ps being gamed themselves. The ex-P was SHOCKED when the senior skit mocked him. He got up&ran out when one of his male followers piped up "Hey, that's Mr. T--!" His lack of empathy,in a bizarre way, made him as vulnerable as a baby in a diaper. The ex-P got ridiculed in the senior skit, then I pulled the vanishing act. I gave my former Narc boss the idea that I would contact him even after my gig there ended... I NEVER did call him, and thanks to this site I DELETED his number from my cellphone.
Aug 4 - 7AM (Reply to #9)
destiny (not verified)
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it is day 4 now- he has left

it is day 4 now- he has left several messages and emails...no reply from me ( i do still need him to do the project , but he has yet to email me about that) left me a msg asking if I was avoiding him... well duh, why wouldnt I be. Ive had to , so i can focus on other things going on with me right now, that I cant have him bringing me down... Im not sure actually when I will contact him regarding the project.....I think it is easier when they are trying to contact us...but at the same time I just needed a break to think clearly and mull over all that was said last we talked.... let him talk to the gf..... as he has already lied to her about me!! I like that judas kiss ...lol
Aug 2 - 9AM
Layla
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Just like boiling water..........

Every time you stick your hand in a pot of boiling water you are going to get burned. EVERY TIME. This is no different. Every time you speak with this guy, you will be left feeling anxious and awful. EVERY TIME.
Aug 6 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
Deidre40
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Layla...love how you put

Layla...love how you put this. SO TRUE!! @ destiny: You saying that 'NC ISN'T EASY.' It isn't...but it becomes easier, when you really stick with it. Block him everywhere possible. Block ''well meaning'' friends if they are sources of angst for you, too. Once you go a week of NC...and then another and another...you truly move on. Your heart moves on. Your head moves on. The fog clears. You are off the roller coaster. You start re-discovering your own interests...you start making new friends. Life becomes joyous again. But, you HAVE to stay NC. Cry during it. Be angry during it. But, stay NC. It's the only way to get a toxic person like your ex out of your life for good. You won't always feel anxious upon hearing from him, or about him. NC empowers you...strengthens you. I have found this to be true, when I finally went completely NC. I had left a few stones unturned...but now, I'm NC. I encourage you to stick with it...for the long haul. This guy will not change, and the reasons you are pulled towards him...that is what you need to work on. He won't change. But, YOU CAN. God bless and be good to yourself.
Aug 1 - 7PM
destiny (not verified)
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odd- he called soon after I

odd- he called soon after I posted this... i didnt pick up but now i seem more anxious ( it will pass) the anxiety is because I cant talk to someone that plans how long we talk etc... too much stress.... plus he told me no more evening calls. whatever- eating dinner again...and gaining back some of me.
Aug 2 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
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Great work, destiny!

I believe the anxious feeling is your gut letting you know that contact with this person just messes with you and it's not goot. It's your gut letting you know that you don't need this kind of "friendship" in your life. Why would you be the sounding board to someone who openly lies to his GF? This is triangulation big time and these types of individuals thrive on it. I am so proud of the work you are doing with this. I can tell from this post and others that you are sorting through the situation and looking at it and separating the FACTS from your EMOTIONS, which is hard but necessary in order to be healthy and happy and move on. When you sweep this from the forefront of your mind and your life, it will make room for something truly good and joyful that you want and deserve to enter. This is the simple truth! I am proud of you, destiny. I know you will be just fine. Most sincerely, (not) spinning AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW. IT'S A COMMITMENT AND A CHOICE AND I CHOOSE MYSELF.

spinning

Aug 2 - 4PM (Reply to #3)
destiny (not verified)
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thanks spinning- you are

thanks spinning- you are right I am sorting through this... two calls last nite an an email ' asking how I was- and some mention of how his time mgmt was messed up again. (well I wasnt around to blame, thankfully) i ignored them. I guess In away- im diappointed in him that he would lie about me to the GF... there was no need to do so. create drama where there didnt need to be any as things really were going OK for the longest time..all he had to do was tell her the truth.... and lie to me as well about her ( I caught him actually back pedelling ) about something he told me- making it seem like it was something I brought up to him. when he was the one that mentioned it to me. all a game. At this point he cant even remember his triangulation lies. and the GF is really that dumbo- that she believes I am that horrible...(pathetic to pass judgement on someone when you dont even know them) saying I am no friend... wth! stupid. sad for her though if she is that clueless after all these years.... another example of this is- he said no nite calls... yet two were placed to me last nite.... I guess I kind of enjoy just not bothering with him- it sure makes it less stressful- no emotions about him not calling me etc. he knows though that I know him hopping of the phone is all a game- I made that very clear to him. if i dont engage in the conversations with him, then i no longer miss them. and things really sunk in - if you let them talk... you really start to realize a lot. Right now what he has to do is contact me re the business and so far that was with one email...and I await another so this can start. sheesh... meanwhile I think i will continue to just be very distant with him- as things have changed. plus i have a ton going on in my life right now that i must focus on. he told me that he hopes that one day soon I find someone that is good for me(meaning a bf) and he will be so happy for me. (doubtful about that) -as there is no real future with us (duh, really) ugh
Aug 2 - 10PM (Reply to #4)
destiny (not verified)
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so my phone an emails are

so my phone an emails are silent today/tonite- not one word from the supposedly so concerned N. sheesh if i dont need more proof than this. I am feeling rather odd... thankful that I suppose he no longer 'needs' to talk to me everyday...but also hurt that he doesnt. Also, given a reality check that it was always on his terms... when we talked... like for instance there was never a time I contacted him to talk.. I listened to his vm he left yesterday...guess he is back to leaving them... he told me I didnt need to call him back (wth) ... and what he left was him venting...about how he got no work done once again ... pathetic...really pathetic. but he made it a point to say he was frustrated (but not with me)... well... im no longer the scapegoat...no longer around...and as I told him he wont change...so things will continue to be the same with or without me. what he spent his working hours on yesterday is the lamest thing I have ever heard!! seriously lame! I have to admit though I am a bit sad (maybe because I am not ignoring him tonite) maybe because he told me the other nite that one of his other relationships..just moved into a friendship and they didnt talk all that much. things have changed though- I no longer feel like he needs to talk to me.... tough thing to take some times... but with this distance I know I will gain clarity...i feel some of it already. I am somewhat less stressed because I dont have to listen to drama...or wonder when we will talk again...or how to jump off the phone before it becomes too long of a conversation. what is sticking the most to me are two things... that he had to lie to the gf about me...and that he said he avoids people that he feels talk to long on the phone. trying to focus my thoughts on something else right now, but it is tough...tough when things are no longer the same...and I know they never can be...tough when I know I am protecting myself by ignoring him...because I have no choice. this NC thing isnt so easy.