Dropping their Mask

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#1 Jun 5 - 4PM
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Dropping their Mask

I'd like to hear some opinions on what happens that makes them drop their mask. Laziness? Do they just get too comfortable? My N really didn't even start out of the gate strong. He said he didn't want to be in a relationship, took me out maybe 3 times total, never gave me a gift....wait, no.
He gave me a left over burrito once! When I gave him one or made him one I would never see it in his house or I would get it back months later. Then when I didn't give him a valentine he acted like he was "hurt".

But we would talk and he seemed interested (Gathering ammo for future attacks)in the conversations. It wasn't until recently,over 10 years of on again off again, he seemed to just not be able to even try to appear as though he cares.

And it is strictly that gut wrenching feeling that S@#$%t!
I really am just a free prostitute.

So when or why do they let the mask fall?

Jun 19 - 4AM
Journey
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It was about 4 months into

It was about 4 months into the relationship when my exN began to loosen the mask after discovering (in his words) "I didn't realize you were so needy" because it disappointed me one night that he was pulling away expectantly. The mask didn't fall completely away until we went on a trip about a month later. That was when he began dropping the mask for an hour or two here or there then it would go back on and he'd be 'normal' again. Every day while we were away I would think at some point I had to end it with him when we returned home, but then he'd put it back on and be all loving again. (How I wish now I had ended it then) After that trip the mask was mostly on but would come off unexpectedly (usually only when I wanted or needed anything from him which required any emotional reciprocity). He'd tell me I shouldn't have so many expectations or try to 'change' him. He was often angry and the meanest while actually sleeping - pushing me away in the bed (shoving really), snapping at me if I woke him accidentally - to the point where I became afraid of disturbing him. If I pointed this reaction of his out he would deny having any memory or knowledge that he was doing it (with the excuse that he was sleeping, so it wasn't intentional and how could he know). Once he was fully awake he was usually fine and I didn't realize then that when he was asleep I was seeing the real him without the mask. Looking back, it explains so much.

Journey on...

Jun 18 - 6PM
BadaBing
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Mr Nice Guy was his mask

but the Bully was the real him there was a sexual part of him apparently I didnt know it's only happened at the end when it had to be put right in my face I see I am gullable I believe what people tell me I believe people are good but he showed me that we will encounter these kind of people in out life and it's up to us to learn to desern who they are such as the flowers the EX loved to bring me in the beginning he flowered me like crazy and he did it in the end too it was his only go to gesture it was camoflouge to disguise his true nature It was up to me to learn to see through it and I am glad I did but it did not happen over night and in fact his nature is still being revealed to me
Jun 18 - 12PM
prettypeeved
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Simple: Effort Or maybe

Simple: Effort Or maybe "weight" might be a more appropriate word. Basically, imagine for a second you're an actor who never, ever gets a break and has to keep acting CONSTANTLY. Sooner or later, you're going to tire and your real self if going to pop up. Ultimately the mask drops because it's too difficult to live a lie forever more.
Jun 7 - 10AM
Sparrow
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mine never took his mask

mine never took his mask off...........however, I exposed him. He wants nothing to do with me and I want nothing to do with him. I am sure I will hear from him again eventually, but as far as I am concerned, it is long over. I am on this site to rebuild, understand, and get answers...... Interesting that you say he never gave you gifts. mine never did either. My birthday, Christmas, Valentines Day...nothing. I gave him many.
Jun 18 - 4PM (Reply to #21)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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I"m confused

If he never took his mask off, how did you figure out that he was one and expose him? Usually at the point it starts slipping is when we see the bazaar behavior and inconsistencies.
Jun 7 - 10AM
TNR1
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Within the first month...

I actually started seeing signs right from the beginning but chose to ignore them. He started to "objectify" me and I knew something was off. I think that they can't keep the mask on for very long...after all, that isn't who they are...and their REAL self starts to come through as if to say "So you THOUGHT that was the man you were with..well SURPRISE". I think the more energy they put into having to act to obtain/secure you=the more cruel they are when the show their true selves.
Jun 18 - 4PM (Reply to #19)
badjer
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Yep. Because they either

Yep. Because they either think "got her now. Too easy. Not worth the effort" or "ok, got you now. Bored. Next."
Jun 7 - 8AM
Littleone
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The night he proposed it

The night he proposed it started!!! His mask dropped that night! He proposed in a very matter of fact, this is what I have to do fashion ( I was 5 1/2 months pregnant). In the car ride on the way home he teased me and got quite mean, I didn't pull him up on it because well he has just proposed hadnt he? I couldnt tell him off even though his behaviour was completely inappropriate. The mask really came off when my baby boy came into the world. When the N realised that he wasnt number one in my eyes anymore all hell broke loose... His behaviour just got worse and worse. He even told me he didn't lIke our baby because he was too hard.. Sick!
Jun 18 - 5PM (Reply to #15)
Susan32
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Pregnancy brings out the worst in Ns...

And that includes FEMALE Ns. When an N impregnates a woman, he sees you as his property. And it is also the ultimate devaluing. For normal people, sex&pregnancy are seen as bonding, bringing people together... for a Narc, sex&pregnancy is a way of telling their partners "you're worthless." Ns/Ps also identify with the baby in an unhealthy way... they think THEY'RE the baby&should be the center of attention. I can only imagine what a hell the ex-Psych prof's girlfriend went through after he got her pregnant and she had twins.
Jun 18 - 7PM (Reply to #16)
Littleone
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I can promise you she is

I can promise you she is probably in hell right now :( Not only does she have TWO babies to cope with, but she will have the most unsupportive, emotionally unattached partner there is! I doubt she would even be able to trust him with them alone... I certainly couldnt trust mine. My ex is a sociopath and was neglectful and slightly abusive towards our son. And this was in front of me! So he was never left alone with the baby. I loved my son but i hated my life with the narc head! It was a depressing, stressful existence. Thank god I'm free!!
Jun 18 - 8PM (Reply to #17)
Susan32
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They're ten now...

The twins are now 10. There was speculation (my friend thought so too) that the ex-Psych prof's girlfriend was ALSO a Narc. My mother was stuck with TWO Narc parents... and it devastates kids. For life. "I doubt she would even be able to trust him with them alone-so he was never left alone with the baby"-It was a decade ago, and it was kind of a blow (yes, rejection hurts) when I read about the ex-Psych (as in psychopath) fathering twins with his girlfriend. His parents moved all the way from New England to New Mexico to raise them. His father gave up teaching&research to bring up his grandkids. The ex-P was always so hateful about children... I thought of the next generation and thought "no way." He'd say I wasn't contributing to society because I wasn't having his babies. I am now a proud aunt... and thank goodness my brother in-law is a very protective, loving father. I'm THANKFUL I have a great nephew, and THANKFUL I didn't put children through the hell of an NPD parent.
Jun 7 - 3AM
Puzzle
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Good question Ruby01. Mine

Good question Ruby01. Mine was wishy washy from the start but never cruel...until about 7 months into the relationship, he started to act like he didn't want a relationship. We ended up doing some travelling together and one night I got a bit drunk with some new travel buddies. We were all having fun and so was he and then out of nowhere he stormed up to me and said "you're fucking embarrassing me" when I was dancing. That's when the abuse started. He kept his mask on for a long time, but he could do that by acting distant and aloof and never really spending a lot of time with me. It wasn't until we had to spend every day together travelling did I really see the other side of him. I think that is why I put up with it, because travelling I had no one to turn to, no one to talk to. I knew something was very wrong with him but I was in a strange country on my own, and had no one to listen to me and tell me it was wrong. I think this is why I got caught in the trap because I had to keep silent about it.
Jun 6 - 3PM
Goldie
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I suppose it varies

Mine began to disenegrate as I got closer to him and the truth. The last 10 weeks, I was completely on to him and called him on everything. I watched him decompose right before my eyes. He reached the point where his mask was completely down and there was no pretense left. I knew then that he had to go. He took 3 weeks to pull himself back together, gather new supply, new authority figures, a new false persona and off he was. The last time I saw him I did not even recognize who he was, which was great because I had no feelings for a stranger. God bless, Goldie
Jun 6 - 2PM
Deidre40
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When I said ''I love you.''

When I said ''I love you.'' He told me early on...''You're so gonna fall in love with me, dee.'' *eye roll* Who says that? A third grader to another third grader, after sharing a cupcake? Bleck. Anyways...once I said those three words...he gradually started to change. Became more demanding. Controlling. Angry over everything I did. But, it wasn't overnight. The true abuse happened like in month two...so for about a month, he was horrid. But, it was a gradual spiraling downward. He's on a dating website now, and saw his profile. lol It was the worst thing I've ever seen. Negative. Angry. I thought, what girl would purposely date a narc? lol It was a narc's profile. Like he put no effort into it...just was like...''I'm a dick, and if you wanna date me, give me a call.''
Jun 6 - 2PM
fooled no longer
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I think they are lazy yes,

I think they are lazy yes, and you no longer give them rich supply they want more and more just like a kid in a toy shop when they get discovered as they inevitably do, they turn nasty on you and try to question your sanity. They never question themselves or their motives.
Jun 6 - 1PM
deecbee
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I firmly believe it happens

I firmly believe it happens when they get comfortable in their source of supply. Anyone who has read my recent posts knows I've been "observing" the xN with his new source of supply and have gotten a unique insight into the N's hoovering and manipulating ways by being brought into the middle of his attempts to win her over, with me on the side as a "friend". They are so attentive and invested in the beginning because they're busy trying to figure you out and make you fall for them. They are hard at work scheming- they are on their toes. Once you've given them enough signals that you're in it for the long haul or that you care enough about him to give it a fighting chance, all bets are off. When they no longer have to TRY to keep you interested in them, their work is over and they no longer bother trying to play Narc Theater.
Jun 18 - 5PM (Reply to #9)
badjer
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Yes I agree. It's like they

Yes I agree. It's like they are heat-seeking missiles of "she's in to me." Mine started to act up about 3 months in - not badly, but enough for me to see a petulance that concerned me, a desire to flee if the going got even remotely tough or if he was called to account on anything. It wasn't until about 8 or 9 months in when I wasn't leaving my marriage fast enough for him that it really kicked off and he started to get impatient. He blew up at me one day for no reason, flew in to a blind rage swearing at me, and it was never the same after that. He sensed he had done terminal damage but it was almost like he saw me as the cause of his ill-behaviour and resented me holding him to account for it. It got bitchy and downward after that until 5 months later he just made me cry one too many times. He also knew I was on to him. When we 'got back together' (if you can call it that) he started getting negative on our second date saying things like "I can't go through it again (the break-up). It hurt too much. What if I say or do something to hurt you and 6 months down the line we could be right back where we are now." Flee, flee, fly away little coward. You've left a trail of destruction - now leave it to me to clean it up.
Jun 5 - 4PM
Hunter
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Rudy

I had a long relationship with mine in the past. I went back believing he love me. We never fought, we always got along great. The last time I saw him I spent a week with him. We got very close. Even when I left he love seemed so strong and real. I have to think it was. The relationship I had with him then and now was always easy. He's had a shitty life and a crazy Narc mother. I think if he gets too close he's afraid of losing love again. To defend himself from losing love,he went down the D &D road. Gee , I ve given him too much credit. He is nuts, a psychopath and I don't even think he knows how to feel or love. I know he used to. :( I hope that helps. Hunter
Jun 18 - 5PM (Reply to #7)
badjer
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Yes and yes. They fear

Yes and yes. They fear losing love (they don't know how to sustain, trust or nurture it) and so the D&D starts - it makes it easier and safer for them if it all falls apart in the end and crucially, it is WITHIN THEIR CONTROL. They get their payoff.
Jun 18 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
londonlass30
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why did it take so long for his to come off?

Why did it take 3.5 years for mine to start showing traits and 4 years for him to take his mask off and rage for the first time? Is it because I told him what he was, stood up for myself and cut him off? where as before I would just say sorry all the time, and blame myself? I don't understand the rage and demasking bit.
Jun 18 - 6PM (Reply to #6)
heritage
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sAME HERE

it took mine 31/2 years and a year to really come undone. I had no idea who this man was that promised to make all my dreams come true and always told me I had netter get use to be treated like a princess. Yeah ok and I have some swampland in Fl!
Jun 18 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
badjer
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They hate it when you stand

They hate it when you stand up to them. They know the game is up. Rather than hold a mirror up to their own conduct, the fault lies with you for "analysing" too much. This scares the shit out of them. Being found to be *flawed*, scares the shit out of them. Far easier to cite irreconcilable differences than to own up to mistakes and try to correct them. That is too terrifying. Ultimately, they then source out passive people who flatter and mollycoddle. It is all they are comfortable with but it actually drives them to distraction with boredom but they know anybody else would just tell them, quite simply, to fuck off and take a running hike.
Jun 18 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
wacaet
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this post just reminded me of

this post just reminded me of something mine said when I threw a pillow at him for ignoring me while we were in a hotel and he got upset that we were "fighting already" he said something about how he couldn't believe I was already listing his flaws or something to that effect he actually said that on more than one occasion, any time I said I didn't like what he was doing, he used this to manipulate me into feeling bad for critisizing him, even though he was being an ass wow, I'd completely forgotten him saying that
Jun 18 - 8PM (Reply to #4)
Redhead1
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When the new wears off, they

When the new wears off, they get bored. Mine did it with material things too. I think he'd go have an affair (no hard evidence, just thinking back) and it would get old and I would be the new one again. His push pull episodes were long. When he was pushing me away, it was for a few months. When he was pulling, it was for a few months. They are so fked up, there is really no telling. After learning about the disorder, its a little more clear now. They are just screwed up! I never knew who he was or who he was gonna be.