Do They Ever Make The Connection?

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#1 Sep 9 - 9AM
MandyM
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Do They Ever Make The Connection?

My ex's wife left him after nine years together. According to him (and this is one of the few things he told me that I still believe), she dropped the bombshell that she was leaving, walked out of the house, and immediately went NC. When he finally did hear from her, it was via her divorce attorney. He never did see or speak directly to her again. At the time, I thought she was a bitch. Now I understand EXACTLY why she did what she did.

About a month ago, out in public, I think he tried to hoover me. I didn't fall for it (although it was difficult, believe me!). I later discovered that he'd apparently gotten pissy about that and deleted a favorite relative of mine whom he'd friended while we were together and had KEPT as a FB friend all this time, right up until I didn't pay attention to him.

Those are two instances that I know of in which he drove the women who cared for him to completely cut off all contact with him. I would give my right arm to talk to other exes of his to find out how many others have done this, because there HAVE to be more.

Does it ever dawn on them that they bring the NC on themselves with their treatment of us? I had told my ex more than once that "when you do X, it makes me feel like X," and he ignored those conversations every single time. He told me his ex-wife had sent him an e-mail after she left detailing reasons why she wanted out (and the few reasons he shared with me, I could totally understand), and he LAUGHED about it to me.

Do they GET why we ultimately pretend they don't exist? Do they ever realize, even subconsciously, that when they treat someone badly, they're going to get that bad treatment in return? Or is it a huge mystery to them?

Sep 13 - 2AM
prettypeeved
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I think they understand but

I think they understand but repress it. Very early on with The Ice Queen of Narcnia, he said that people "don't understand" him and he "doesn't get on with people well" - at the time it seemed sweet and disarming and vulnerable. Now it's more like a harbinger of doom type moment!
Sep 11 - 11PM
rosedewittbukater
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They make the connection

Mine was very self-aware. Others may not be. http://www.lisaescott.com/2011/07/10/why-narcissist-cannot-accept-our-love Our d & d started when the "mask" began to come off. When this happened we (the victims) did not like what we saw underneath and began to challenge and therefore reject it. And there we have it! The narcissist receives confirmation, once again, of his worst fear. That without his "mask" (his fake image), he truly is UNLOVABLE." ~ Nemesis Thanks to Nemesis for this. Several of the women from my xNs past cut off all contact with her in much the same way as you speak of. When I first learned of this I felt sorry for her - now I know exactly why they did what they did! I too would love the opportunity to one day speak with some of these women. But that day will probably never come and it is something I just have to accept, and find a little comfort in the fact that this just reinforces what a sad, sick and disordered monster she is.
Sep 9 - 3PM
Caligirl
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Mine would brag about how he'd

Run women off. He knows darn well what he is doing, but I think he does it for a couple reasons. The two women mine said he made leave, he also professed deep feelings for, me and this other woman who was married (know he will say this about me). He had an inkling we might leave him first, and bam, he got ugly. So, it sort of protects his ego bc he can say, "I REALLY ended it. I WANTED HER GONE and I maneuvered THIS." Then, he can also say he was only pretending his ugly side, and she was the reason he had to do it. Two, it's all a game. I think he thought I would NEVER just leave, but he was also trying to break me down, so he really drilled down hard. It's like gambling, but it's a risk they're willing to take, bc they're not going to be real shattered or upset at losing you. They've been doing this a loonng time. Loss is loss. NS ain't hard to come by, so it's part of the game. Lastly, if the supply is just ok supply, he cares even less. There aren't genuine feelings there! I think mine knows he was an a**, but he doesn't care. He just tells himself it's what HE WANTED, AND HE instrumented the breakup bc I was a *blank*. (Fill in any number of derogatory names narcs use: b!tch, crazy, whore...)
Sep 12 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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This exactly what mine did too!

He would say "She didn't break my heart. I broke my own heart by driving her away." He said this about his first love in high school, and about the OW prior to me, whom he also professed to care for deeply. Of course, we know they don't really care about anything deeply. Their emotions are as shallow as they are. I wonder if he will say this about me now. This is a re-printed article by Sam Vaknin in another blog that sums it up nicely: http://www.drirene.com/8_nar.htm
Sep 12 - 3PM (Reply to #6)
Caligirl
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Smitten K, I was just listening to Sam Vaknin's video

On this last night. It's amazing how similar these Ns are. Mine was great with words, and I never could feel like I got the truth, bc they say things like this, with all the gobbleygook (as my english teacher would say), instead of giving a straight answer. I hated that!
Sep 9 - 10AM
Susan32
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Causality Forum

I'd always tell the ex-Psych prof that he couldn't constantly run from the consequences of his actions. He'd talk about how Ludwig Wittgenstein, when he was a schoolteacher in rural Austria, ran off when confronted by an angry father for beating students... I reminded him that Wittgenstein LOST HIS JOB as a result. The ex-P got up&ran off when the senior skit mocked HIM (he didn't mind it when it mocked his colleagues) He ran down the stairs when I had a nice conversation with his girlfriend. Now, a year after the final D&D, I found out that the ex-P and his Daddy were part of a causality forum meeting at my college's coffee shop. I wanted to high-five his Daddy, because it's something *I* would have done. My friends and I joked about it, saying, "He's learning about cause&effect. That if you behave badly, people think you're a jerk." In some weird way, what the ex-P's Daddy did... was karma served perfectly. It sounded too good to be true, but it IS true.
Sep 9 - 9AM
Anabelle
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I don't think they care.

I don't think they care. Really. If they would care, there would be no contact in x months time again. I do not think an N wastes any moment on anybody or anything. My ex used to tell me, move on, why do you waste so much time on the past? and after I am not involved, the happiness of the other person is not my concern/responsibility.... I hope you this last line gave you an answer...
Sep 9 - 9AM (Reply to #2)
Sea
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Agree they dont care. To them

Agree they dont care. To them there is zero connection between what they do and the consequences. My exN always blame others his boss his staff his relatives his friends his woman his neighbors the animals the weather the government etc anything except him. I thinks thats also why they can move from NS to NS at record speed. no need to pause no need to think