Do they continue to bother you?

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#1 Jul 3 - 2AM
prettypeeved
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Do they continue to bother you?

I'm trying to figure out what might conceivably happen if I were to bump into The Ice Queen Of Narcnia again.

It seems to me that some forum posters say that their narcs continue to try and cause trouble once they have gone NC, e.g. by badmouthing them, lying about them, acting up etc.

At the same time it seems others don't have this issue. The narc, after the final D&D and a period of NC, takes the hint and disappears.

I'm not sure how to square this with my own narc. His modus operandi is always the same: Manipulate things in the background whilst laying on the charm in public. I find it hard to believe he would badmouth me, because he almost certainly realises that if I ever find out, the people he's told will be told my side of the story, and they will likely side with me when I back it up with all the tales of his stalking his ex etc. It seems unlikely he would risk his charming image that way.

What are other peoples experiences with this?

Jul 5 - 3PM
Gerri
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Hi Pretty Peeved

I agree with you on this one. I think that my ex narc has possibly bad mouthed me a little, but wouldn't dare manipulate the whole story. His past history with women isn't great (tried to strangle one, the other killed herself! I know when I say it back it makes me shudder.) We have a couple of mutual friends - whomm I have kept a very dignified silence with. If he ever spouted bull shit - I could come forward with a list as long as my arm about him and his past does not stem him in good favour. xx
Jul 4 - 6PM
Deidre40
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to rose

yes, it's best to sever the friendships if you truly feel, that the only reason they're your friend is to be a reporter for him, and visa versa. I will warn you. These people filled your life for a time. So, it can be hard to let them go. But, I honestly believe, it's necessary to heal...to let go of anyone and anything that impedes your healing. It can feel strange or lonely even, when you let go of people who became a central part of your life. But, at the end of the say--your sanity. Your peace of mind. I can't express how good it feels to CONTROL my life again. To know that those in my life, even though I let go of quite a few folks that were mutual friends of ours, have my back. I would rather have less but good quality friends, than a lot of friends, who really don't have my back. I don't need people like that in my life, anymore...gossiping about me to him, and laughing at me on FB. Let them continue... without me. :=)
Jul 3 - 4PM
Deidre40
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prettypeeved... Yeah, it

prettypeeved... Yeah, it doesn't make sense, because remember...they are disordered. Nothing they do makes sense to a rational thinker. That said. I'm of the opinion, that psychopaths/narcs spend an inordinate amount of time online. Facebooking, myspacing, emailing, texting, on msg boards and chat rooms, etc...why? Because they have a captive audience. Right there, they hit everyone and anyone who will listen to how fabulous they are. They are also very lonely people. Deeeeeep down, narcs don't have true friends. I mean, people may consider themselves to be the narc's friend, but to a narc, it's only if someone can serve them in some way, if that person makes it into their 'inner circle.' They have no 'use' for a friendship. Or a romantic relationship. Every single person in his/her life, barring maybe their parents, and that's even suspect...has a 'role.' Either you're part of their fan club, or you serve them in another way--sexually, financially, stroke their egos, etc. See? There is no friendship. I read something very sobering about psychopaths a few days ago. (I find the topic fascinating in a weird way) They basically mimic others' emotions. They don't really feel elation, or happiness...they only mirror others, so as to fit in. To lure others to them. If they were to come off as soon as you meet them, as the assholes they are...no one would fall for them. Male or female. But, they blend enough charm, wit, humor....into their assholeish ways....and they develop a following. They don't have friends, only groupies, and minions. I see right through all the crap. It's a great feeling to no longer be in the fog I was once in over this guy. I also feel sorry for him, that he has such a low opinion of himself, that he NEEDS minions. lol He spends a ton of time on the internet, and I know that from belonging to that site with him. When we were dating. I remember waking up one night, couldn't sleep...and I went onto my yahoo mail. Just bored. He was on the chat...I saw his name and ''available.'' I was like...huh? It's 4 am, I have long gone to bed, and this guy is up chatting online? With whom I thought? He saw me and instantly typed to me...''what are you doing up, babe?'' I wrote back...''I should ask you the same thing.'' His reply? ''Oh, you know I stay up late, I logged in a while ago, and just left it up...I'm not chatting with anyone.'' Something along those lines. lol Riiiight. I pity the next chick who ends up with this dude.
Jul 3 - 2PM
fooled no longer
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Dont count on people taking

Dont count on people taking your side or even wanting to hear your side. You would be amazed how they get support these Narcs and since they are such professional maniplators, they manage to get everyone on their side. I always keep in mind that they crave pity more than anything else. And Boy do they know how to get it. You need to know that narcs behaviour doesnt differ very much. So hes doing this for sure, they dont have to say much. They just steer people in a direction and let them believe things. He has and probably still is badmouthing you. The point is why do you care. Been there done that. Even in a court of law he would convince them its you at fault. You have to walk ( run) away thats ALL>
Jul 3 - 2PM (Reply to #22)
prettypeeved
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In this case, we don't really

In this case, we don't really have any friends in common. Although it must be said anyone soft enough to believe him is going to not be a friend of mine for very long.
Jul 3 - 9PM (Reply to #23)
Deidre40
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Good call, indeed. Because

Good call, indeed. Because the reality is, and it took me about a month to really 'get' this...but, people who wish to be a part of his minions, can't be true to me.
Jul 3 - 2PM (Reply to #21)
Deidre40
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fooled no longer

You're absolutely right. I think true freedom comes in letting go of 'friends' who are also the n's friends. Truly, how could you maintain a true friendship, with someone who wants to suck up to a psychopath? His 'friends' all suck up in some way. That's the only reason he keeps them around, really. To gain their attention, fan fare, adoration. If someone disputes him, they're gone. Off the list. Male or female. I don't think (for me) it's possible to be friends with people who to me, tell me that they think he's an asshole...and to him, suck up. Nope. If you want to be my friend...you can't play me. He doesn't care who plays him, for he is playing everyone. But, I don't play people. When I'm a friend. I'm a true friend.
Jul 3 - 12PM
bakingfortherapy
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Still bothering.. A reprieve

Mine has stopped contacting me when I called him out on the phone. I asked for the truth and didnt get the point of the "miss what we had" garbage. I then texted his gal he cheated on me with and said "please make him stop contacting me in any way" . This has worked in the past and I have NC for 2 months. Immature yes. But effective. He has always protected his new supply. I did see him yesterday though. He walked rt past me like he didn't know me--- with a look of hatred on his face! Sort of sad after 11 years huh? But he is angry that I wontbe a plaything, option, or toy anymore!!!
Jul 3 - 12PM
deecbee
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Mine never bothered me after

Mine never bothered me after the d&d (yes, there was more than one). In fact, it was more the other way around, with me trying to figure out what the hell happened. Now that I think about it, he probably never "bothered" me because he didn't have to. I was doing all the chasing down and contacting, pumping him full of that supply. He indirectly kept up with me though, looking at my facebook page daily, checking out photos, reading things people posted to me. When I had a blog, he checked that daily- sometimes multiple times a day as well. But never direct contact. He is stubborn and proud and would never let himself be vulnerable and weak like that- he left all that nonsense up to me. He had been ignoring me again recently, I got sick of it and removed him from my Facebook yesterday, and THAT'S when he started texting me saying he wants to be friends, can we talk about it, yadda yadda. For some reason he likes being able to see what I am up to, but will NOT get in actual touch when we are on the outs.
Jul 3 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
Deidre40
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wow...this is my story

wow...this is my story exactly! Mine had 'feigned' a phone call, meaning he called, didn't leave a vm msg shortly after the break up...but, when i texted him (like a dumb ass) to find out why he did...he said, he accidentally called me haha. Same kinda thing. Baiting me on the website we belong to, replying to quotes I'd have up. I sometims would reply, sometimes not. Now, with me completely off his radar...I'm done with that site...no longer log in, friends of mine have commented that like yours dee, he will probably try to contact me directly, when he can't see the goings on in my life. I don't think he will. Lots of pride. I dumped him, and he has sought revenge ever since. I also am done reaching out to his minions, people I thought were my friends. If they contact me, fine. I'll chit chat. If not, I'm not contacting them. In fact, thinking of changing my number...and just writing them all off as one big crappy chapter in my lifetime. lol We'll see. Not sure I'll need to. They play both sides of the fence. They cowtow to him. They placate me. I hear about him still talking about me on FB. I don't ask, they willingly tell. I have posted about that on here in another thread, and the thought is that he still is seeking a reaction from me. Because I would so easily supply him with one...good/bad in the past. But, no more. The fog has completely lifted. No more CD. I just long for peace. But, this is a process. We all get to this point in our own time. A month ago, I wasn't here yet. But, now...I have no desire to discuss him, outside of this site. (the lisa scott site) People bring him up, I laugh, and move on with the next topic. There was a time when I wanted to know every word he was uttering about me. Which meant? I still needed validation. Once God granted me peace, and took this from me...took my need for validation from him and the minions...I have been able to FINALLY move on. :=) I just wanted to comment to you--because I agree. They won't reach out directly, but if we fall off their radar screen...they might. I think my ex liked seeing me on that website...he knew what I was doing in my life. Without having to communicate with me. But, I left that site not jsut for him...but he will no longer have access to me. So, I'm glad about that. I'm glad I'm finally to this point in recovery. :=)
Jul 3 - 12PM (Reply to #12)
deecbee
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I'll never understand it...

I'll never understand it... needing to know what's going on in someone life yet being so unwilling to reach out and make contact. What does being able to peek into our lives do for them?
Jul 3 - 9PM (Reply to #18)
Done sourcing
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It's called trolling...

Throwing the line out, but acting like they don't care...they do it because it works, look how we all on here fret and worry about what they are doing, why they are doing it...giving them space in our heads, then we finally out of pressure act out, make contact, etc.. Done sourcing
Jul 3 - 2PM (Reply to #17)
prettypeeved
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I'd never really considered

I'd never really considered that angle. Because I have him blocked on the social website we use, I can't see what he says...and he baited and baited and baited for months to try and get a response. But maybe he's just happy now because he can still see what I say. The block is only one-way. He always did like pumping me for information whilst giving none in return. How very sad.
Jul 3 - 1PM (Reply to #15)
Deidre40
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one more thought on that deecbee

If you both share mutual ''friends,'' make absolutely positively sure that these people are TRUE friends. If not, get rid of them out of your life. Slowly but surely, they need to go. I have come to the slow realization that our mutual 'friends' really are nothing more to me than reporters back to him. They play us both. He doesn't really act like a friend to anyone. He's a jerk, and so he probably doesn't care if stuff he says gets back to me. In fact, he wants me to know he is badmouthing me, I'd bet money on it. And I don't honestly care if people tell him what is going on in my life...or talk to other friends, and he somehow finds it out. But, I don't want fake friends. So, doing this for me...I have decided starting like yesterday, that I am no longer calling anyone that I would consider mutual friends. If they call me...fine. I'll chat. I like them, I wish I didn't feel this way. But, I don't trust his minions anymore. I don't trust people who are his 'friends.' No way. Anyone who would sit and laugh at me with him on his FB behind my back, has to go. So...consider that, too. That is the ultimate dropping off his radar. I'm not doing this for him or because of him...I'm doing this for me. I want only people in my life who truly 100% care about me for me. That I can tell them something and they don't run and tell the world. Or him. I am afraid that mutual friends don't fall into that category. So, if you don't trust the mutual friends...to really have your back...you need to get rid of them, too. For he is most likely, pumping them for info about you...or maybe not pumping, but at the very least, you come up in conversation, he will find out what you're doing in your life, without lifting a finger. Do you want him to know? I don't care if my ex knows, but I don't want to call others 'friends,' if their only interest in me is reporting back to him shit, and he pats them on the head and pins a gold star on their forehead. Really, it's sick, the dynamic he has with his 'friends.' Sadder still. These people are in their 40's who kiss his ass. It's like high school all over again. He's the bully in the hall that takes everyone's lunch money...lol
Jul 3 - 11PM (Reply to #16)
rosedewittbukater
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"friends"

Imagine someone in their 50's with ass-kissing worshippers and minions. You sound like you are in such a healthy place. I am so glad for you Deidre. I wish to be in that place, like yesterday. I think I need to take a queue from you and cut off some of these "friends" also. I think they are phonies and I don't think I can call them true friends either.
Jul 3 - 1PM (Reply to #13)
Deidre40
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deecbee

It gives them a sense of control. To know what we're doing. Take that away, fall off the radar screen...that is the ULTIMATE NC. I didn't realize that me posting on that site, gave him access to my everyday life, unwittingly. Second, calling or texting us...that causes them to appear weak. And they feel out of control. That's why they bait a lot. Maybe they tell a friend you know, something good or bad about you. To see if it causes you to text him. He gets a reaction without ever reaching out directly, see? It's oh so sad that I am understanding how their minds work isn't it? :P But, it's about control. To see what you're up to, gives him a sense of control.
Jul 3 - 2PM (Reply to #14)
prettypeeved
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I always wondered why, when

I always wondered why, when he was so busy hoovering online, that he wouldn't call or text. I suppose it makes sense. The most bizarre part to my mind, is that if he's passively watching me live my life (the saying about the best revenge being to live well springs to mind at this point), then what does he get out of it? I don't mind if he watches until he's blue in the face. He can make himself feel bad on all the stuff he's excluded from if he likes. Freak.
Jul 3 - 12PM
Deidre40
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I've often wondered while

I've often wondered while reading others stories on here, why some just go silent...never to hear from them again. Others take an 'indirect' approach, like mine did. Badmouthing me on FB, to others, baiting me on a website we belong to...I'd text him at first to extend olive branches, only to have him smash me down with insults. He just talked about recently on FB, a blend of an insult mixed with a compliment. lol You wrote something interesting, that is key to note. I used to want to share my side of the story with others. Our mutual ''friends.'' I no longer care nor feel the need. If they want to believe his bunk, so be it. His latest story was...''Oh, I just wanted to fuck her, that's all I wanted from her...when I was done, we were done.'' haha Ok. Whatever. At the end of the day-WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH. No one can take that away from us...not him, not anyone. And I'm good with that. I am finally to a place...and I think it largely has to do with completely going NC...and abandoning the final gap that was open between us (that website) that I finally lost interest in caring about what he was saying about me, and I've also lost interest in the mutual ''friends'' we shared. They aren't friends. They only latched on to me, to hear gossip. To see drama between us. Probably devestated that I don't have FB so they couldn't see FB drama between us. lol I have a whole new outlook. I still hurt a little from it all, and maybe that's not such a bad thing, because it keeps me humble. It keeps me in check. I know dating him was wrong, and if I hurt...it'll keep me from making the same mistake. But, I think that for some...they do 'linger' and others, they just disappear...never to be seen or heard of again. Not sure which one is worse, to be honest. lol
Jul 3 - 10AM
LostandFound
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Very gone

My exN dumped me then came back and 2 weeks later I dumped him and then he attempted to call my friends and tell them lies but they ignored him. He then attempted to spread bullshit all FB but again people ignored him and in the end he shut up when he realised I had enough on him that could cost him his home, horse and job. Not a peep since that epiphany. It's been 4 months but I would bet money that he will try and contact me in the future.
Jul 3 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
prettypeeved
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He seemed to shut up when I

He seemed to shut up when I dropped an unsubtle remark about someone stalking people, with the unspoken threat that I might reveal just who I was talking about to all. I wonder if that's what stopped the hoovering.
Jul 3 - 9AM
SoOverItNext
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I know what you mean

My ex-Narc is in the D&D phase. He has really made me feel like crap and I don't know how to get out of this hole. I am having so much trouble. trying to prove myself that I'm not the way he makes me out to be that I ended up looking really crazy. I am SO emabarrassed!!! I feel like the pesty little stalker other woman when I'm not. It's the most miserable thing. He knows how to push my buttons, he'll push them, I'll call back to defend myself and he puts me on speaker phone to let people hear me yell and screal after he's upset me. What kind of loser would want to go through the trouble of making me seems like a crazy person just to make themselves look better? What makes it even worse is I have to be around his family and friends because of our daughter. They make it seem like I am crazy. It's like they don't know how to act around me.
Jul 4 - 5AM (Reply to #6)
Tinker
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mine did the same thing. i'm

mine did the same thing. i'm a calm person but he pushed every button i have then called me flaky and unstable. they do it because it gives them a reason to D&D - "see how she is??" even tho it's not true. accept that he made you crazy (as crazy people will do to sane people around them) and move on. to Ruby's comment, i don't think they stop when they see you're in pain, that can just be the beginning. it further primes them to come back for more.
Jul 3 - 8AM
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prettypeeved

I wouldn't put anything past them. Personally I have known all his co workers as long as I have known him. At this moment I'm not sure that he is completely aware of the fact that I know exactly what he is now so I don't think he has started a smear campaign against me. I do know that I heard numerous tales of how everyone in his past screwed him over when all he did was be kind to them (gag). If you can stomach not revealing any negativity towards them to anyone that associates with them you might be spared. My question is that if you appear unaffected and happy around them won't they still feel the need to mess with you some more? I'm afraid ultimately there is no closure for them until they see you in pain. I do believe that the people that know both of you well and are educated will see through their attempts to slander and make you look like the crazy one as long as you keep your mouth shut and remain calm (Sometimes VERY difficult). Good Luck, ;D Ruby
Jul 3 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
Susan32
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I'm denying him closure...

Or "Niiiiiiice" as Borat would say. When I broke NC in '09, I made it a science: EXPRESS NO PAIN. Do not express anguish, longing, romantic feelings. I followed these rules I made for myself religiously. Oh yes, there was LOTS of happiness in my communication when I broke NC, and got in some jabs as well. I inflicted some (purposeful) narcissistic injuries as well. Not only did I say how HAPPY I was, but that he was the one being laughed at. Something he didn't like.* *Is ALL attention supply for Narcs? I don't think so. When the senior skit mocked the ex-Psych prof, he FLED.
Jul 3 - 8AM
LilithErisRose
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Always

Mine continues to try to bother me. I think whether they do or not has to do with whether they have found new supply or not. Mine had but she got away (or he realized she makes him look bad). Either way, she's gone. While she was present he left me alone except to blantantly lie all over facebook that I cheated on him with OW's ex-boyfriend for the last four years. I ran into him at a mutual friend's event the other night. Completely ignored him. Not even a civil hello this time. Not rude just acted like he wasn't even there. Text messages, e-mails and phone calls for the next 24 hours.
Jul 3 - 6AM
Lobo555
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Nothing so far on the radar.

Nothing so far on the radar. CharlieSheenWinning is still too wrapped up in NewWinningWife to bother with me. But. . . I can't say he won't in the future. It might only be a matter of time. And one of them has to sober up long enough to pull the plug on the relationship. That's my experience. . . so far. It's only been 3 1/2 months. I think it can be hard to predict what the narc will do because even though they are kind of all the same in their motivations and behaviors, they're also very disordered. Which means it can be almost impossible for a normal person to understand them. To try to make sense of their past, present, and future behavior is impossible. Whatever he does, keep your cool and act like it's water off a duck's back. That, more than anything, drives *them* crazy!