Do they always want to be "friends" when you break up?

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#1 Apr 19 - 6PM
TygerTyger
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Do they always want to be "friends" when you break up?

I could think it's all part of the niceities of breaking up, the suggestion that we continue to be "friends" after we've clearly gone our separate ways, but I wonder if there is some toher purpose...future supply, or just to think he's scored another "female friend", at the very least, to stack up with the rest of the "friends"...fall out from previous tattered relationships.

During our final talk it was clear to my N that I was not going to sleep with him or do him anymore artistic/creative favors for his various projects. So clearly the well is dry with me. I have nothing left to offer. Why then did he still insist on being friends? I said I dont need any more male friends (well, him, mostly) and that because I am still attracted to him, there is always going to be that element creeping in. Meaning I dont want to be standing around watching him hit on other women, or even talk about them. I'm sick of it.

His answer? "OK then, one day when you're totally in love with some new guy, THEN we can be friends."

Yeah, this was one of those "WTF?" moments. Come on! So what he's saying is "when you're over me and don't care like you do now, THEN we can be friends."

But WHY??? I have nothing more to offer, any time..ever again.

Maybe it was just some way to avoid being totally rejected. I've noticed sometimes with other men too, I am ready to bolt forever and they seem to like the lingering.

Apr 20 - 10AM
GhostBuster
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another reason to be "friends"

I think another reason they want to be friends is so you'll keep your mouth shut. I'm fully convinced that's why my last ex N pleaded for continued friendship at the very end. Even his mom told me he "wishes we could remain friends" and I told her in no uncertain terms I couldn't. And I told her all about his control, manipulations, etc. It was right after we broke up so I hadn't figured out he's an N so that wasn't discussed. Later, though, his sister emailed me to find out how I was doing and I told her I suspected he's an N (and that HE even suspected it too). So...fast forward a year later and he's back from being deployed to the middle east...and I get a drunked voicemail on my cell (which I haven't changed for business reasons and it's the only number he still has of mine because I've changed the others)...and it says "Trash me. whatever!". The voice was so incoherent I can't be sure it was him (and the number was blocked). But I think it probably was and it came in the aftermath of his family likely confronting him about the things he did in our "relationship" (which his mom told me she'd do when he got back from service). So, bottom line...I'm not his friend and I didn't keep his secrets. Feels great!!!
Apr 20 - 5PM (Reply to #24)
Barbara (not verified)
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friends...

I think another reason they want to be friends is so you'll keep your mouth shut ABSOLUTELY!! RIGHT ON THE MONEY GB! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 20 - 6PM (Reply to #25)
loveofmylife
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yep

I think that's why mine wants to keep in contact right now. Because we have most of the same business contacts....and if he doesn't make himself valuable and help me and win me over again, I am very likely to respond in a luke warm manner whenever his name comes up with potential future business and might even mention how he is verbally abusive.
Apr 20 - 9AM
Janet
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Before I knew what an N was

Before I knew what an N was and was so confused after I had moved out. He had kept contact, only on his freakish terms, then one night in December he told me "it's over I am sleeping with someone else and am moving on" then through my tear I tried to kiss him goodbye and he recoiled. I got home a few minutes later (shattered of course) and he calls and asks if I would like to go to a movie with him the next week (on Christmas day) and have some fun because his new G would be out of town. I haven't spoken to him or seem him since. Peace. J

Peace. J

Apr 20 - 8AM
taken
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friends?...

Mine said that...then came over and took what he wanted. Don't trust that part...I am learning not to.. No contact is the only way...I foolishly slipped in the third week (which is the hardest for me)...and now am back to square one... I pray for the strength to get past this horrible experience... Got my Psychopath book yesterday... It is a GREAT book to help UNDERSTAND things I have been having a hard time with.. I look forward to being...or finding...ME again...
Apr 20 - 8AM
angela0714
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Friend's hysterical!!!

My Ex N has echoed the same "let's be friends" mantra. I told him, that's not possible. I married him to be my best friend, confidant and lover. Not to be abused, degraded and belittled everyday. Not to be changed into someone who suits only his needs. We share no children. Like you, although I know he's no good for me, I wouldn't be able to combat the attraction I had always had for him. No NC is the only way to go. At least for me. I blocked him from my e-mail and my phone so as to avoid any temptation on my part to answer. Now I'm short saling my house, due to him causing total financial disaster. I asked the lawyer to contact him to review the specifics. The next day I get an e-mail to my work e-mail address. It said "Why in the world would you block me from you e-mail?" I don't know. "Maybe because you're a self serving con artist who abused me mentally every day. Maybe because it was all about you." Maybe because you left me 5 days after my Lupus diagnosis." "Maybe because my friends and family ...whom you hated because it diverted attention from you..couldn't stand you." Proud to say I didn't answer at all. Just thought these things. But I found humor in the fact, that even now he just doesn't get the magnitude of his abuse and how he shattered my world. It felt enpowering to have the resolve not to even bother addressing his e-mail. I feel I'm slowly on my way to recovery.
Apr 20 - 8AM
justwantpeace
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Its an image thing

You cant be friends with a N. It will still drain you and leave you feeling uptight. They will never be wrong and it will still always be your fault. They will never be able to support you or have empathy for you. The wont be a friend you can turn to in the time of need. I think if they want to remain in contact with you its because they still want something from you. OR they want to keep you for a future need. Cut the contact, it will be better in the long run. They dont want to be seen as the bad person or the one responsible for the breakup. Sorry they dont see it that way or that they did anything wrong. My ex is still trying to hide his ow from me. He drove her car over the weekend. He still wants to look like the good guy who did nothing wrong.
Apr 20 - 8AM (Reply to #19)
angela0714
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Amen

That's exactly it. They are so distorted in their image of themselves as "the good guy." Total denial that they could ever possibly be responsible for anything. Till the end, my Ex-N insisted I drove him out and didn't want the marriage. Thank God .....he's out of my life and one year from now I won't have to carry his name.
Apr 20 - 7AM
neveragain5
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Yes, he wanted to be

Yes, he wanted to be friends, still does. Except I know that he doesn't want to be "just friends" because I was the one who broke-up with him, so he is trying to get back together. It's amazing the lengths that some of them will go to. I WISH he would tell me he didn't want to be friends!
Apr 20 - 8AM (Reply to #17)
Barbara (not verified)
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neveragain5

NO CONTACT then he can't tell you anything! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 20 - 1AM
destiny (not verified)
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mine did this to me the

mine did this to me the first two times we broke up. Looking back I think he did it to keep me around... I really was like his crutch...helped him do a lot of things... you know how it is ..he got me to do research for him and on and on... N rarely do anything that they can get someonelse to do. Also, my XN would boast at how he was friends with almost all his xgf (this was so far from the truth) he was friendly with a handful, but not many. He has this thing where once he was done with someone he would enter them in his phone and email under Z.. Zdesity, or zsusan.... so they would go to the bottom of the list, but still always be on the list. after the 3rd breakup XN had no use for me and it was too much of a risk of me exposing him for who he really was, plus as I found out tonite he had a real in person Gf and not just some online OW that he cheated on me with in the past. it is best to not ever remain friends with them...too risky to get sucked back in...even if you say you wont now(I said that the 1st two times too) and before you know it you are meeting just as friends, then dating again, then exclusive... all a game to the narc. “It's not hard to find the truth. What is hard is not to run away from it once you have found it.”
Apr 19 - 11PM
aceonelady
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NO friends

My ex N didn't want to be friends...he doesn't need anybody he says...and is true he has 1 friend but i never saw the guy and he wasn't seeing much of im either....and 2 old co workers (women) that is all folks.....oh,and his nephew who lives in California that calls him once in 2 moths maybe less..he don't go out,only works,and on the PC...is true,really....

Aceonelady

Apr 20 - 7AM (Reply to #14)
woundedsoul36
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mine too...doesnt need

mine too...doesnt need anyone. I think he has social anxiety unless he is buzzed. but i bet they need their fantasy porn land that is loaded into the computer
Apr 19 - 9PM
azucar
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@#$#@

Couple of reasons he wants to be freinds, epscially if he has a wide social network of alot of attractive female freinds: One: He's doing it so he can paint himself as the wonderful guy who has healthy repsectful relationships with the women in his life, before during and after the relationship. Who knows what other close girlfriends of his (future prey) are watching to see how he handles the break-up? Since N's have no apreciation for boundaries I am sure he even has future prey lined up waiting for thier chance (becasue they think he's wonderful- thanks to him of course). Two: so he can come to you when he needs supply in any forms. Maybe even taunt you by talking about your relationship and how it compares to his future ones. Seriously, I saw my X-N torture ex-gfs and girls he dated like that. That is why I let him know I did not want to talk to him ever again, sat down on his computer and had him show me how to defriend him on Facebook just before I left with my things.
Apr 19 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
TygerTyger
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Azucar..ha, good point. On

Azucar..ha, good point. On his original online ad he even made mention about how his exes still hold him in high regard. OH REALLY? Then why did he tell me various stories about how one isn't speaking to him, how some stormed out, etc.
Apr 19 - 7PM
Kelly
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Not always

None of the guys I've dated did. Nearly all of them have contacted me though at one point or another to try to test the waters. For the most part, I understand that they like to keep their bait on tender-hooks, so if you have him on fb - BLOCK . . Keep NC. Good luck!
Apr 19 - 7PM (Reply to #10)
TygerTyger
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We never connected on FB. I

We never connected on FB. I am doing my part with "NC". Unless he's got some insane plan to try to coerse me into another creative project (hey, PAYING me would work) I don't expect to hear from him again. He's handsome enough to keep new ladies coming...and going...and coming...and going..
Apr 19 - 7PM
enoughalready
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tyger

Yeah, he wanted to be my friend too. I thought "wtf"? No- I told him 7 weeks ago If he wouldn't have lied, betrayed and verbally abuse me-then maybe I would have considered it. But hell no...not even acquaintances.
Apr 19 - 7PM
loveofmylife
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tiger

yep, mine too. He wants to stay in business. I told him I can't because I love him and it will be too painful to see him, as you say, hitting on other girls.....which, btw he does right in front of my face here at work! I think it is part of the using you as an object. Because they never really truly love us anyway and its always just been about what they can still get from us. I'm sure that they realize there is still SOMETHING that they can get from us and they want it. It is more supply, and after all, life is about getting as much supply as possible. And it makes them look like they are great guys that all of these girls that were in love with them still want them around. It makes it even better to get supply! And like mine did, he can use me as chick bait to build up demand and get new supply! Forget the being friends after you have a new guy! If you have a new guy that you love - why in the world would you still want an old boyfriend around!!! Nothing like confusing a new relationship that could truly make it!
Apr 19 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
TygerTyger
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Loveofmylife, my point

Loveofmylife, my point exactly. I have already spent way too much time listening to his stories about exes, and I know why I sat and took it..for a certain amount of time..because I was very attracted to him. And this is why "being friends" will not work. What am I supposed to do, listen to his current sex life exploits while still fantasizing about him? I think that's just about the worst form of torture to endure. Of course, I may have made a mistake admitting I was still attracted to him because that's a sign of weakness to be exploited. I guess I was trying to be honest. And yeah..once I have a new man there is no looking back.
Apr 19 - 6PM
woundedsoul36
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yeah..for recycled NS in an

yeah..for recycled NS in an emergency, or either it's way of pretending to be "the nice guy"..but nice normal people wouldn't of even suggested: "His answer? "OK then, one day when you're totally in love with some new guy, THEN we can be friends." ^^ that's rather inappropriate for what is happening between you two it's just a lie and he really doesn't mean it cuz if you were that important to him, he wouldn't be D&D you
Apr 19 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
TygerTyger
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It seemed selfish to me

It seemed selfish to me that he kept steering things from my "I dont want to see you again, period" to what he wanted. But..typical. I don't, however, expect to hear from him again, and he's busy with new ads up online looking for the next lady in his life. The next pearl on a string.
Apr 19 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
loveofmylife
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one more thing

my 4 year college boyfriend....we were completely in love...he was a normal man. When we broke up (unresolved family religious reasons), we both decided to have no contact. We both decided that since we have decided we have no future, there is no reason to stay in touch. We both still loved eachother and it would only be difficult and prevent us from fully committing to someone else that we had a chance of a future with. That seems normal to me....give eachother the opportunity to have a fully, committed life with someone else. Besides who needs an old boyfriend or old friend, who, in the past decided it was acceptable to DD you! No one needs a friend like that.
Apr 19 - 10PM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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options

they LOVE to keep their options open with old supply 2 years 2 months 22 years doesn't matter... if they get curious or NEED something they'll be looking for you NO CONTACT - NO 'FRIENDS'!!! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 19 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
TygerTyger
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NO KIDDING!

NO KIDDING!