Cycles, Contradictory Thinking, Etc.

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#1 Feb 3 - 6AM
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Cycles, Contradictory Thinking, Etc.

So, while having a major meltdown in my therapist’s office last night I got on that thing of “will it ever end?” again. The PTSD was pretty bad and I was shaking and crying. You know how it is. I was triggered from that darn theft of my charger that he went in my drawer and took along with the fact that he has been away again and is coming home today. I hate it when he comes home.

The thing with the theft from my room is that, as I figured out, I had gotten to that place again where I thought I was safe from his BS. I forgot that he will always be looking for something to do to hurt me. I thought the GF had taken over for his supply and I was no longer on his radar. I don’t want to be on guard all the time for as long as he continues to breathe. He had not raided my room in a couple months, well, that I know of. I thought he had given up. Realizing he had not caused that “will it ever end?” thing to go into full gear. I’m going to be getting out and the thought that he will continue his BS after I’m gone is just so damn daunting.

Anyway, I’m also noticing a cycle of sorts and some contradictory stuff in my head. First, the cycle is pretty much the same but I can’t predict it’s pattern. I’m ok for awhile. I feel happy, secure, self esteem doing ok, no crying, etc. It’s like I’ve climbed out of victim mode and into survivor mode. Out of nowhere I start to feel awful. It can be depressed, afraid, angry, but I consistently lose my happy place at some point. It reminds me of how it would be with him - thinking everything is finally going to be ok and then BAM!, he'd rip the rug out from under me.

Next, the contradictory thinking patterns. I know what he is but then I occasionally wonder if it really is me that’s nuts. I am afraid of him but then I occasionally am not and stand up to him. I’ll see him as a nasty bully and then I will see him as a pathetic jerk. I don’t know, perhaps the cycle and the contradictory stuff is simply the process of getting better. I guess it could be worse and instead of bouncing back and forth, I’d be stuck like I used to be.

Feb 5 - 7AM
4joys4
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Well, isn't this the abuse?

Well, isn't this the abuse? I mean, that's how they keep us trapped isn't it? They cause 2 opposite feelings and thought patterns in us. His actions and how it makes you feel is abuse. You can't get out right now? I say yes you can. Maybe you will be leaving with less than you want, but you can get out. I think it's your feelings and thoughts keeping you in and not all this divorce stuff. I see it in group all the time. And I was there myself. Take yourself and your child to a shelter for abused women and start again. You won't start healing until you get away. In fact, it gets worse. I wish I left sooner. I wanted all my ducks in a row first. I thought I knew what I was doing. But I gave up the chance to go to the shelter and let them help me. You can't believe all they do for abused women here. If I had known, I would have gone so much sooner. Instead I waited until he made the move to d&d me. He took everything. And I had to start from scratch anyway.
Feb 3 - 7AM
Barbara (not verified)
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GettingOut

this is part of the DEPROGRAMMING cycle from the deep trance & mind control of the Narc. It's normal. Definitely GET OUT or please put a LOCK on your bedroom door. Living in the same house is just insanity http://www.lisaescott.com/2009/12/26/cognitive-dissonance-obsessional-thoughts ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 3 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
GettingOut
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Barbara

Thanks for the link. I will read it. My therapist keeps telling me it's ok and it's going to take time and she reminds me of how much I've improved already. It feels like every week I go to see her I hear the same thing and it can often feel like I'm never gonna find any semblance of myself. But that's just me catastophizing. If I logically look at one year ago vs. today, there is a BIG difference. My son's friend is getting me a new knob with lock/key and should be done installing it this morning. He wanted to make sure I had something sturdy so he offered to pick it up, which is great. And, yeah, it's insane having to live with him. Conference with judge on 2/17 and if the N does not settle we will be asking for release from the household bills along with pendente lite (temp. alimony and child support) so I can at least get out and rent somewhere. If I have to go to trial who knows how much longer that will be.
Feb 4 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
agnesmurphy17
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Restraining Order

If you are afraid (means he must do some intimidating stuff) & he steals & you lock your door, why not get an RO & get him out of the house?
Feb 5 - 4AM (Reply to #7)
GettingOut
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agnesmurphy

My understanding has been that unless he physically touches me, there isn't anything I can do. Kinda along the lines of he said/she said. He knows to keep his hands to himself. Plus, in a divorce, people say mean things, etc. So, when I tell someone that I'm going through a divorce and he's acting mean and intimidating, etc. I would think they would look at me and say....so?
Feb 5 - 6AM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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why are you ANTICIPATING failure...???? you should either get him out legally or get out yourself. I think coming into your room, taking your things, intimidating you, VERBAL ABUSE & PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE are pretty bad. You are MINIMIZING something pretty horrendous. http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?statelaw_name=Restraining%20Orders&state_code=GE ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 6 - 6AM (Reply to #11)
agnesmurphy17
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Barbara's Right

Who is telling you? Have you gone to the courthouse? Have you spoken to a Victim Witness Advocate there? Have you gone to a Domestic Violence Caseworker? A man who is separated from you, getting a divorce, but enters the house to rifle your possessions, steal from you, a man whom you are afraid of because . . . WHY? . . . Why are you afraid? Has he threatened you? Warned you to cease & desist or you will be sorry? So scared that you have a lock on your door. I know in my state, I have seen Restraining Orders issued on little or nothing. It happens. But, when there is a truly needy situation . . . the RO always issues. You need to speak to people who deal with domestic violence situations. People who help victims. Not your divorce lawyer. Mine also advised against RO & criminal charges. The abuser minimizes what he does. The victim minimizes what the abuser does. And, it's not so bad because the victim can really stand a bit more. He hasn't hit me, broken a bone, put me in the hospital. The problem is that many people, lawyers, family, friends, acquaintances, use normal psychology (oh mean in a divorce) & apply that to an abusive situation. Such rationale enables the abuser & places the blame on the "over-reacting, over sensitive victim." But, if you decide to brak the cycle & get tough, you need to have an advocate right by your side throughout the whole process. He's gonna come into court & attack you. You will cave because you are conditioned to cave into his demands.
Feb 6 - 7AM (Reply to #12)
GettingOut
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agnesmurphy17

Who is telling you? - my attorney who has been doing this kind of thing for over 20 years. Have you gone to the courthouse? - not yet. Date is set for mid Feb. Have you spoken to a Victim Witness Advocate? - I don't know what that is. Why? - we are not separated. We live in the same house for the moment. Why am I afraid? - same as any other victim of an abusive N. Of course he has threatened me. He doesn't have to say "you will be sorry", it is written all over his face and body language. I agree the abuser minimizes what he does, I heard it for decades. I, however, do not. In the past I did, but that is what many abused women do, especially ones with an N. I'm breaking the cycle by divorcing him. I do not engage him. I do not go anywhere near him when he is at the house. I communicate only when necessary via email. He's behaving himself right now because he has to. I don't want to go into court and have him attack me. I've had enough from him and don't want any more. I will continue to do what my attorney and therapist have advised. I will not rock the boat to throw him into a tantrum and elicit revenge. I will continue forward with getting the divorce settled. I will go to court and see what happens then. What happens in the lives of abuse victims and their tactics to get out are not "cookie cutter" so to speak. I know the N I am with and I know what I need to do.
Feb 6 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
Barbara (not verified)
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GettingOut

just know that we are all worried about you... that's a very tough situation for you to be stuck in. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 5 - 6AM (Reply to #9)
GettingOut
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Barbara

I don't see it as minimizing. I know how horrific the abuse as been. I've lived it. I see it as being realistic towards the situation. I never called the cops. There is nothing, other than 2 DWIs, out there on him. He is a pillar in society (right). I will not spend funds I don't have on litigating something I will not win. What, I'm going to go to my attorney and say he stole my charger? He went through my online accounts? He hit me for 20 years and then ramped up the verbal abuse? Where's the proof? Are you going through a divorce and just want to be nasty because your STBX got a girlfriend (which is the route STBXN would probably take)? In a perfect world I think it would be worth it. But my world is far from perfect and I think nothing would come of it other than more legal fees, feeding the N and throwing him into revenge mode. I'm not being a defeatist. I'm doing what I have to do for the moment. With court around the corner, I will wait. I can't get out. However, when with the judge on 2/17 I will be asking to get out with provisions for having me released from the home bills and for getting temporary alimony/child support. The abuse may be discussed at that point but I have to talk to my attorney about it. I can't afford to get me and my son out without some kind of financial release and assistance. And I won't leave my son behind just to go find an apartment for myself.
Feb 6 - 5PM (Reply to #10)
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GettingOut

I totally agree with you and support you. If there is no police intervention then there is no history of abuse for them to go on, you're right you won't win and it will cost you. The courts won't take too much notice of him taking a charger from you room like you said. I know of someone who shared his house with his narc wife and he was able to get a restraining order to stop her from entering certain rooms in the house. Is there anyway you can get him out of the house and stay there with your child. When this happened to me the first thing the police said was he could come home as he was paying towards the mortgage. Well, the reality of what did happen was that he had to leave (I know there was police intervention that helped as he was then convicted) and I'm here with the children and he has signed a separation agreement with me giving him some money to f..ck off. I won!!!!!!! It was suggested I go to a refuge........ no thanks I've got a house I live in....... and I stayed. Can't you fight to get HIM out? that's a worthwhile fight I did it and won don't give up on this part too easily, you have a child to support. Under the children's Act (UK) he can't get you out as you both have to provide a roof over your child's head. I fought like hell for that and eventually got it, I was determined not to leave or sell in a credit crunch with a house not worth selling.

Ending the dance

Feb 3 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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GettingOut

if you're in therapy - be SURE the judge is confidentially aware that this situation is causing you PTSD and anxiety symptoms that are getting worse. Make sure your attorney submits a letter or document that the judge can see, to that effect. and make SURE any alimony is deposited to your account via a state-run payment system. If he has to pay you directly he will jerk you around. The state, however, will chase him down if he plays with that! ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 3 - 8AM (Reply to #4)
GettingOut
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Barbara

ok, I will talk to my attorney about the letter. The confidential part is important. And, yes, I am waiting to see the settlement document that my attorney has done but I had specifically asked for direct deposit of not only the alimony and child support, but for his portion of the monthly payment for my daughter's student loans. I might not get the loans part granted so we will have to figure another way to have him responsible in the event of non-payment. Loans are in her name with me as co-signer so the N at first wanted to throw the loans back at her, which she could not afford, and which we had committed to paying. Then, when he realized I was co-signer, he said he didn't have to pay because they weren't in his name. Wrong. He MUST pay his share as they were taken for HIS daughter, but, of course, the thing comes in of him not giving a crap about his responsibilities and not paying. I'm telling ya', he was screaming one time about what I was "holding him accountable for" and it's "stupidity". Pfffttt. The settlement will leave him absolutely no loopholes to jump through so, yeah, he will be accountable, no matter how stupid he thinks it is.
Feb 3 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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every state has an auto-payment option. Demand it. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website