Custody papers

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#1 Jan 7 - 12PM
malloryforest
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Custody papers

I am really upset. STBXNH sent to my lawyer the revisions he wants in the custody papers. One of the revisions is he is planning on moving to Chicago, and wants to have the ability to bring his gf and her kids once he moves. I don't want either of them around the kids!!!!

The second issue, is he wants the kids to start visiting him and his gf at the old house by May, my child's fifth birthday.

None of this flies with me. Just a couple of days ago, he promised that he would never move with GF to chicago because he did not see a future with her. Now he wants it written into the contract that he can move here with gf and she and her kids will be part of visitations.

I receive this revision from lawyer. Ten minutes earlier, I had received a text from him telling me how much he missed the kids and I and how he wished he was out here with us.

INSANE!

Jan 7 - 7PM
TexN (not verified)
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malloryforest

Your exN is unbelievable! I hope you are showing your lawyer all your texts. Try to communicate "only by text" so you have proof of how wacked out and unstable he is! I forwarded all my texts to my lawyer of me repeatingly asking the narc for his address and him not responding. Good luck Mallory.
Jan 7 - 6PM
agnesmurphy17
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Nuts

Excuse me this is the same guy whom earlier today I read a post that he wanted you to reconcile & clean the house to sell? And, he's also making arrangements for a new life with GF & your children? Typical for these guys. Always casting about for the best situation. Playing several hands at the same time. However, I would suggest no further contact. Your lawyer should handle all discussions, communications. This is just so nuts what this guy is up to. Must drive you so crazy. You don't need this. I believed with my N after I left him that any discussions were useless, absolutely useless waste of time & only upset me. Which was the whole point of the communication for him. And, since reading this site . . . I think that is true of almost everything I read here. The lies, manipulations . . . the content is so senseless & nuts . . . the whole point of the words is to inflict pain, to control & demean. They don't even seem concerned when they are caught in lies or in contradictory positions. They don't care. I think the whole point is to show just how little consideration either you or I deserve. We are not worth any consistent behavior or decent treatment. Just rubbing our noses in how worthess of any consideration we are to them. It's really evil. Being polite & playing by civilized rules of engagement really only feeds these guys. One can never win. The only win is to ignore them. No contact.
Jan 7 - 5PM
itreallyisabouthim
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How far away does he live

How far away does he live now?
Jan 7 - 5PM
grossot
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mallory

You feel that he has you trapped; that he controls all situations; that you are his string puppet and he is the master. This is a hard place to be bc you r concerned for your kids and you feel you have no say. No matter how much others tell you not to worry - you do because he has trained you. Even when you didn't know it; even back when you thought he was the most wonderful man on earth, he was staging his d&d. This is all part of how he's always treated you. Its hard for you to turn your thinking around. I'm going to share with you something my dad said to me when I was so upset about my N conditioning me....he said 'who's conditioning who? You know what he's doing and he doesn't know what you know. Keep him in the dark. That way you are conditioning him" It wasn't until my dad said those words that I realized I even had the RIGHT to disagree with narc. It was so ingrained in me to depend on HIS opinion. Mallory- you are in charge. You do not have to agree to ANYTHING he puts in the papers. Stay consistent in what you want. And guess what! You dont have to stress and worry. What will that do? Just picture yourself reading the custody papers with his stupid suggestions and then chuckling to yourself while saying 'no' and reiterate what you have fought for this whole time. No matter what he tries to make you think YOUR OPINION MATTERS!!! Its time you wear him down - not the other way around. http://hubpages.com/hub/Married-to-a-Narcissist?preview nolongercontrolled
Jan 7 - 3PM
Carolyn
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Be sure your lawyer has a

Be sure your lawyer has a copy of the e-mail it shows instability. You might tell the lawyer that the custody document could be changed in the future but as your ex has an unstable history in his relationships this girlfriend might be gone soon and that would open the door to an endless string of unknown girlfriends who you don't know and it might open the door to problems for and with your children. If he was married to the woman it would be a different story. His request is too broad. He is playing with you and wants to control the custody agreement just to control and manipulate you. It isn't easy doing business with a nut but be patient he will sign eventually. You can always counter that if he doesn't sign you have documented reason to ask for sole cutody and you want a court ordered psych and personality test. they don't like to have their reputation blackened. Go figure. they never have much of a reputation.
Jan 7 - 8PM
Barbara (not verified)
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mallory

without SUPERVISED VISITATION its UNACCEPTABLE I'd bet he said he's moving there just to delay some more. and NO FRIGGIN WAY with the gf and her kids (gotta wonder what he's telling her!! that you're BEGGING him to move there I'd bet). Even Christie Brinkley had the NO GFs rule in her custody decree. That's OUT! Wonder if he's doing what they all do... lay out a number of conflicting scenarios to see what you'll jump at, the deny you - blame the gf or something else - and delay more. What a flipping manipulative liar. Tell your lawyer NO WAY. He signs as is or you go to court. That's the last thing he wants... his business in open court. So tell your lawyer - NO GO. Let's go to court. He's friggin' toast ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 7 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
malloryforest
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Told lawyer it is time to go to court

I told my lawyer that his revisions are completely unacceptable to me and that we are going to court. His response to lawyer was that his revisions meant nothing, and that he is just trying to protect himself. If we "get divorced" (???) he wants to make sure he has his options open to bring his gf to Chicago, and that she can be part of visitations. Ok, so yesterday, Chicken Fucker is going to kick gf out of house if I can promise to come back and be his maid. Today, he wants gf written into the custody papers? I am going all the way. He wants to fight me on visitation, he has a real battle ahead of himself. And, if I am going all the way, I am going to fight for sole custody. Lawyer said she will tell him, and lets see how he reacts. Fine. He will blow a bunch of steam and threats. He is crazy. She is crazy. Their relationship is unstable and volatile. Why should the kids be around them? Also, how is CF gonna pay for all these living arrangements. He is unemployed, he will need a home near her kids since she has joint custody with her ex. They will need a home in Chicago to be near his kids. They are also going to have to pay me child support and alimony. He is using up most of our savings. So, what delusional dream does he have about owning to homes? I am not going to give him the space to execute this dellusion. I am done.
Jan 7 - 8PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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mallory

his revisions meant nothing, and that he is just trying to protect himself. If we "get divorced" (???) he wants to make sure he has his options open to bring his gf to Chicago, and that she can be part of visitations. “When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed — they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie.” – Robert Hare, PhD SOCIOPATH! This is all conflicting bullshit. Told you since day one - sole custody. This sicko needs to be as far away from those kids as possible. You know I was thinking today - I wonder if he wrote that thinking your lawyer and therapists would by that he "REALLY WANTS TO BE A GOOD DAD" with all that bullshit he was flinging. Gag me. He's one sick piece of sh*t - SOLE CUSTODY and skin this chickenfucker ALIVE! ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 8 - 11AM (Reply to #6)
itreallyisabouthim
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"Really wants to be a good dad"

Oh you bet that is what that is about. I am awash in a sea of statements such as those as my STBX postures for shared physical custody. His Facebook page, which used to be ALL about him suddenly sings the virtues of fatherhood, how it comes so naturally to him... where there were once just pics of him there are pics of the kids... he even sent out Christmas cards with him and the kids... to MY friends and every single person who wrote a letter on my behalf to the court.
Jan 7 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
malloryforest
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Barbara - Custody papers

I want to skin the chicken Fucker alive. Lawyer told me that he has a right to move to Chicago, and she can move with him, and he can force her to be part of visitations. How the heck do I keep this from happening. My kids should not be associating with one sick father let alone a sick father and a sick gf.
Jan 7 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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mallory

For some reason I don't believe that. And I think perhaps your therapist and the Guardian Ad Litem and the forensic psychologist might have something to say about that. I'd tell your lawyer she needs to do some more legal searching because this sounds like a cop-out. This would be VERY confusing and harmful for the children. Sole custody and SUPERVISED VISITATION only. Period. This man has NO BOUNDARIES. He's sick. You keep PRESSING your lawyer. Search the net on your own about visitation, girlfriends, sole custody and sole legal custody... and in your state - you might find what she is clueless to find. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website