Children & Ns

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#1 Dec 25 - 7AM
agnesmurphy17
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Children & Ns

I have been reading all these posts over children & Christmas. And I hear such a refrain, a longing that the N will come through for the child. I don't think it will happen. My N had a child from his former marriage. He never thought about her & her best interest. She wanted nothing to do with him. Sometimes he wanted contact with her. But I don't think that was affection in a normal way. I think they have some kind of attachment, but it's not anything like we assume. When there is a child, the parent puts the child's happiness before his own. My N did not do that.

My N left his first wife of over 20 years for another woman. His daughter was 16 at the time. When he moved out, she went to her room & ignored him. For six months thereafter he had no contact with her. He said, "She did not need me." No empathy. Did not understand how the child suffered when her parents split. He said, he was entitled to live his own life & seek happiness. Putting himself & his needs first. When I first met him I told him that well maybe he should have seen her. He established a routine of not seeing her or trying to incorporate her into his new life. He took it well, but that was in the beginning when he was nice to me. And, really, I was never very critical.

Towards the end of our relationship, his daughter resurfaced with his parents. She had cut them off too. His daughter was going to see his parents. I told him that he should buy her a gift for his parents to give to her. Like what? I said, a good piece of jewelry that she will cherish & pass to her own daughter, ie, expensive. He says, my daughter does not like jewelry, she's never been a girlie girl. OK. So then I say, well she's learning to drive a car according to your parents latest information. Send a check. A big check with a note saying the money is to help her buy a car. He says, Why should I do that? What do I get? She refuses to see me.

Ladies. It's not about wanting his daughter in the biggest, heaviest car on the road so that in the event of an accident with some other bad driver, she'll live. It's all about him! What will he get out of the gift. All of you who have an N turning up with gifts, cards, etc. Remember, he's getting something out of it for himself. What? Who knows. They are really nuts these guys. Don't waste your time thinking.

But, please realize--They do not care about what is best for their children. I don't think they think much of their children. Except the obvious that the children are an extension of themselves. But, emphasis is on extension & therefore, an object. Not a separate little person whom they have the privilege of marshalling for a few years into a full-fleged & independent adult.

Dec 26 - 9PM
TexN (not verified)
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That Sorry Jerk!

This was not his holiday to have dd until Dec 26th. (He was supposed to get her for Thanksgiving but didn't. He never called to see what she wanted for xmas but did call on xmas eve at around 8:00 pm. It sounded like he'd been crying (pathetic! I'm sure he was feeling sorry for himself). Daughter didn't want to talk ( too busy playing & visiting with relatives). He didn't call her on xmas day. On the 26th, he called (chirpy & a total different person) & asked to speak to dd. I told him he could talk to her but not to tell her he was coming for her cos she wasn't going anywhere with him. He called me a f***ing b***h & hung up on me. I texted him & told him i had a restraining order on him & it would be best not to come to my house. He called & told me that he should have known better than to have a baby with a f**kin wetback! WTF?! My ancestors are from Mexico but other than that, i personally do not even know any relatives that are in Mexico! He was just trying to degrade me. Its ok, i will see his sorry ass in court where he will get what he deserves for once in his life! He will be floored when he sees his ex gf there to testify on my behalf!...(The only reason i answered his phone call was cos i didn't want him showing up at my doorstep)
Dec 26 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
Barbara (not verified)
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texN

do NOT answer the phone on him AGAIN! haven't you seen notification of service... i.e. - that he's been PERSONALLY served with the restraining order, etc.? Make sure he's been served who cares what he says - he's a LOSER ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Dec 27 - 1AM (Reply to #9)
TexN (not verified)
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Ahahaha!

That picture is hysterical! Yes, that article fits him to a T. Thanks for the reminder!
Dec 27 - 12AM (Reply to #7)
TexN (not verified)
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Barbara

He hasn't been (officially) served so he hasn't actually seen the restraining order. My lawyer sent it to his last known address in the court records (knowing that was not his correct address) but said that was good enough & that if he did show up, to just show him my copy. ExN told me he hated me & wished i was dead! He sounded like a kid throwing a tantrum. Before it got ugly, I asked him why he'd been crying on xmas eve & he said he was crying for dd, that he cries every night for her...oh brother! I hate to talk to that jerk. I will not answer anymore of his calls. Thank you for
Dec 27 - 12AM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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TexN

you mean like this: http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/28/narcissists-rages hey I found his picture! http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/usschmidt/boohoo.jpg ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Dec 26 - 12PM
janetc
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I was totally struck by the

I was totally struck by the truth of what you so eloquently wrote! I am recently separated after a 30-year marriage. My ex-N ran a business from the time my children were born until they were grown, gone from 7 a.m. to 10 or 11 p.m., saying it took a lot to get a business going. He controlled all money, I had no idea how much we had, but in retrospect I am sure that he had multiple women on the side and this was why he was gone so much. He only had anything to do with my 3 girls when it suited him and when he was trying to show off. We survived because I took an at-home job so I could raise them and I totally threw myself into rearing them and doing activities with them (too much effort for him). Later, my daughter got pg with twins and we had taken them in and helping raise them. The twins were 7 when he left. They knew he was leaving, saw the truck come and load up many of his things, then he left early in the morning by car. What do you think he told them??? He told them he hadn't seen much of his sister and was going to stay with her for a while. He snuck out of the house at 6 a.m. without saying goodbye. They cried and cried and cried. We didn't know he hadn't been truthful with them, and we were left to try to pick up all the pieces. He called once in 6 months to tell them how much fun he was having and to tell them he would buy plane tickets for them to visit (this would never happen, another broken promise, besides which we would not allow them with him alone, he is a sex pervert). So now we have no contact, and of course I am made out to be a horrible bitch, even though he made no attempt to contact them for months. It really is ALL ABOUT HIM! The thing is, I had been raised to always give people the benefit of the doubt, be forgiving, and NOT to assume the worst. It has taken me a long time and a lot of therapy to see that he is really malicious and it is not him doing this due to his bad childhood. Anyway, we are free of him and starting to heal and it is wonderful! It is good to read these posts that reinforce what jerks they really are! Janet

Janet

Dec 25 - 9AM
James (not verified)
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Sad but True

A child, after all, is the ultimate Source of Narcissistic Supply. It is unconditionally adoring, worshipping and submissive. But it is also a demanding thing and it tends to divert attention from the narcissist. A child takes too much of everything that the adults around him have to offer: time, energy, emotions, resources, attention. The narcissistic can easily be converted to the view that a child is a menace, a nuisance, utterly unnecessary. This makes for a very shaky foundation of marital life. The narcissist does not need or seek companionship or friendship. He/She does not mix sex and emotions. He/She finds it hard to make love to someone that he/she loves. He/She ultimately abhors their children and tries to limit and confine them to the role of Narcissistic Supply Sources. He/she is a bad friend, lover and father/mother. He/She is likely to divorce many times (if he/she ever gets married) and to end up in a series of monogamous relationships. Source: http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/2009/07/bonds-of-love.html
Dec 25 - 8AM
Sinead
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I completely agree

Although I am fortunate that we don't celebrate Christmas, I am sure if we did, ExP would use it as an excuse. We celebrate Eid and we have 2 a year, in ExP's culture it is a real shame upon a person who does not give a gift at Eid to a child in their society, so my daughter received gifts, even 50p is fine, it is just their culture and I don't expect anything from people but I let them as they'd be insulted if I refused. So I get messages from a Psychopath woman I recently cut off that is connected to ExP (her hubby is also a predator of sorts), that they have £40, then £30 then both together (£70) for my daughter (last Eid) and to make sure I spend it on her as she needs shoes (they are thinking I am struggling with money, well I kind of am but I'm ok). Two weeks later I get told he never gave the money so sorry you can't have it, but did you buy the shoes? This Eid, nothing, now I'm lucky in that respect, I am happy that there is nothing (I do have a RO on him though lol), others of his cultural group talk of him in disgust, his own daughter and he gives not a penny, EVEN on Eid! I'm quite happy to hear that. His excuse, I forced his hand, he claims the RO does not permit him to finance his own child and of course he is ooohhhh so upset about that! Me? I'm happy for now. I know the courts will eventually decide I should allow contact, but for the time there is no contact, I am happy. So for those of you having second thoughts about your Ns or Ps when they give gifts, as AgnesMurphy said, it really is all about them and they are somehow benefiting from it, otherwise they wouldn't bother themselves over it, so don't get duped, they are still abusers!
Dec 25 - 2PM (Reply to #2)
4joys4
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James is right. Children are

James is right. Children are a very good source of supply as most children will put up with a lot from their narc parent, feeling an obligation to love them. The narc just uses and manipulates them. They also devalue and discard them many times over. They look for their good feelings from them and when the children dont give it, the narc will turn and punish them. Narcs are awful creatures.