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#1 Jul 19 - 11PM
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Why Women Feel a Strong Desire to Change the Abuser:

* Because he has convinced you that you are responsible for how he feels/behaves.(this is another way he blames you for the abuse.)

* Because he has convinced you that without him you will never find love again.

* Because you believe the great way he treated you in the beginning is who he really is and he can be that way again.

* Because he has convinced you no one else will want you so you think you can make him be good to you.Because it's easier to continue the pattern of abuse than to start a whole new life without him.

Signs You are Changing to Please the Abuser:
(which means you are definitely in an abusive relationship)

* Dress a certain way or avoid dressing a certain way/change your hair or make-up for him.

* Talk to who he says you can talk to.

* Avoid friends/family he doesn't like. (which is usually all/ many of them.)

* He makes you associate with people you don't like.

* Ask him for permission to do something/talk to someone/go somewhere/buy something.

* Lying about who you talk to/things you do because you're afraid he'll disapprove.

* Quitting school/job/hobbies because he disapproves or implies you don't need it.

* Sneaking around to do your normal activities because you're afraid he'll disapprove.

* Walking on eggshells.

* Doing anything you don't want to do sexually/ financially/ socially just to prevent further abuse.

* Expressing your affection/love/attraction for him right after abuse to prevent further abuse.

* Apologizing for something you did not do to calm him or prevent abuse.

* Agreeing to express your love excessively because he expects it.

* Doing anything that is out of the ordinary for you and that you do not enjoy just to please him.
* Moving in with him or letting him move in with you when you really would rather not.

Why Are My Attempts to Change Him Failing?

Because you cannot change him. The only person who can change him or end the abuse is the abuser. Nothing you ever do or say will change how he treats you. Everyone is responsible for their own words and actions and that includes the abuser.

According to experts, abusers can only change if the following is true:

* He truly wants to change because it is best for him and not to win you back.

* He openly and on his own acknowledges the seriousness of his abuse. In detail.

* He admits ALL of the abuse is his total responsibility.

* He seeks treatment with a therapist or group therapy specifically designed for abusers.

* He stops drug or alcohol abuse for a long period of time.

* If you request he stay away for a while (a year even) he doesn't beg you back but respects your request totally.

* He makes the decision to change on his own.

* He completes a batterer treatment program.

* He makes a constant and continual effort to stop abusing.

You will exhaust yourself and never get anywhere trying to change him. Leave the relationship and decide if it is worth giving him another chance later. Break up with him in the meantime. Do not give him another chance unless he shows the following signs in the above list. If you do not give him ample time, perhaps even a year or more to change then he will probably go back to his old behaviors quickly. It takes much time and therefore, it may not be worth your wait to see if he will change. Remember that abusers rarely change. Your best bet is to find a man who does not need to change. You deserve better!

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Mar 15 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Changing the Abuser

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Dec 14 - 8AM
Barbara (not verified)
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changing them; changing you

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Mar 15 - 8PM (Reply to #9)
TexN (not verified)
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Barbara

In reality, what percentage would you say will actually admit & change? I personally think slim to none!
Mar 15 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
TexN (not verified)
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Barbara

In reality, what percentage would you say will actually admit & change? I personally think slim to none!
Mar 15 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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between 5-8% out of millions... and then people can't agree on what CHANGE is... these freaks can't suddenly become human. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Oct 10 - 10PM
cynthia (not verified)
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exactly

As I said earlier, YOU CANT CHANGE PEOPLE, why would we want to change the wonderful individuals we are for a pathological person? This was good reading. These people are beyond change, they are forever damaged in a severe way
Oct 10 - 3PM
quietude (not verified)
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If I could shout it from the rooftops, I would; DO NOT CHANGE FOR ANYBODY! I can't believe what my ex reduced me to. Even my son made a comment to me - "Mom, you would have NEVER let anyone else get away with saying that". He was right. But I let my exN get away with so much. He stayed the same, I changed into this pathetic puppet, letting him pull the strings and call the shots. NEVER EVER AGAIN!!!
Oct 9 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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why he isn't changing

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Jul 20 - 10PM
cinn (not verified)
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barbara - dispensing with psycho and narcisstic tendencies do you believe controlling men and abusive men can ever REALLY change? I know this site is dedicated to those that have pathological traits, but lets say you take away the narcissism and are dealing with just a plain abuser and controller, do you believe there is much hope for their change in behavior? I have researched articles for abusive types and it doesnt paint a pretty picture even if they went to counseling you would always be dealing with someone who has these tendencies and you would constantly be correcting their attempts to control. I for one dont want to live with someone that needs to be fixed in these areas whether it be medication for anger control, depression, counseling to get to the core of their issues, they are not suitable partners and who wants to live on eggshells never knowing when they would go into a outrage over something in which they cant control. My husbands behavior has effected my children, more so my daughter, she has a masters in psychology and has said many times, dad needs help mom, she looked at me one day with tears in her eyes and said, how mom have you managed to live with someone like this for 23 years, why do you do it and why have you stayed he does the same thing to her thru the years, calling her a fat loser, a loser huh a graduate from college, with honors and he calls HER a loser? What is wrong with these types of men? My daughter and I will probably get an apartment together and my poor son I want him to move out so he isnt stuck having to deal with my husband when he has lost his family due to his sick behavior. My daughter said something ironic she said to her father, you know dad it takes more than just helping your children financially to be a good dad, she nailed that one on the head. My husband said the most degrading thing to me I thought I would never hear he said, I am tired of having no sex I want to be f---ed and suc---ed I about slapped him and said how dare you talk to me like some whore, who do you think you are talking to your wife like that go find a prostitute to accommodate your desires, knock yourself out I could care less. Here is a thought for ya, did you ever try ONCE just putting your arms around me to try and connect with another human being and of course this all brings back memories of the psycho man and I wonder what the hell did I marry some selfish pig? It truly disgusts me!!!!! He told me once I didnt like "Dick", no honey I just dont like whats attached to it. I realize being with psycho really did a number on me sexually, I felt raped and I know in time that will heal I gave myself to someone only to be shamed and degraded in the end. I think I had Two abusers, one down and one to go I guess huh, need to get the abusers out of my life and only then I can find peace. Oh by the way I have tried to beg my husband to go to counseling and he said, "what for, I already know whats wrong with you", so much for that huh? Maybe my son was right, slap him with divorce papers and watch him squirm and try and change,
Jul 20 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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cinn

Just plain jerks, abusers, etc. - yes about 1 - 2% can and do change. BUT THEY HAVE TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN - NOT TO KEEP YOU IN THE RELATIONSHIP/ MARRIAGE. the other 98%? see no reason to change. http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/08/from-why-does-he-do-that-inside-minds.html Now don't you DARE start thinking your abusive husband will change. If he hasn't by now - he ain't gonna! http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2009/01/abuse-victims-engage-in-dangerous.html Your son is right: Slap him with divorce papers - and don't worry about him "changing." http://www.divorcelawfirms.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths